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Getting a new Outlander, CR-V or RAV4

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  • cbk2000cbk2000 Posts: 8
    I've had a similar experience with Mitsubishi dealers in Utah. They seem way behind in the internet sales methodology compared to Toyota, Honda, Nissan, and Subaru. Of the three Mitsu dealerships I sent quote requests to, only one actually confirmed receipt. Then they sent me an email to make sure I received a quote that they never sent. One dealer never responded at all, and I had to call the other to get them to respond. Pretty weak.
  • thomasw98thomasw98 Posts: 29
    Latest update: Honda dealers seem to be much more aggressive in using the internet. I have gotten two quick contacts and one phone call already. One quoted a pretty good price also.
  • tireguytireguy Posts: 194
    Made the $500 down payment to have it relocated from Alabama to Carolina. Now I'm in that limbo period where I'm committed, even though I haven't actually written the big check yet.

    Seems like the only legitimate gripes I've heard won't affect our intended use...

    Right-swinging door: We live in a rural / suburban area of coastal NC. Whether I'm pulling into my driveway, parking at work, Sam's, Lowe's, Target, or a restaurant, We pull into a spot either forwards or backwards. We parallel park maybe twice a year. So when I get out of the drivers' door and need to retrieve something from the back, I actually want it to swing to the right.

    No nav system: I have a Garmin Nuvi. Works great. One less thing to break on the car.

    Boring car designed by computers with no human interaction (Motor Trend): I checked every option box but the DVD on this Limited V6 model. How could a lightweight, 4x4 mini SUV with nearly as much horsepower as my Yukon XL, a JBL subwoofer, an iPod input and 10 cupholders possibly be boring?

    Chintzy warranty: My dealer, Stevenson Toyota of Jacksonville NC, adds a free lifetime powertrain warranty which covers not just the engine but CV joints, transaxle, 4x4 system, even the timing belt. For $1600, they up the ante with a lifetime bumper to bumper warranty. I'm still not sure if I'll actually need that, but leaning toward might as well.

    Unresponsive electric steering: I haven't done the slalom between lamposts in a parking lot since I was 16 in my mom's Caravan. I think I'll be okay.

    The styling doesn't exactly turn me on the way my '04 Yukon does, or vehicles which are no longer with me (97 Wrangler, 87 Z28, 79 CJ5), but I wouldn't say it's unattractive.

    I have a 5x8 encolsed trailer (2500 lb max) which I originally bought for a cross-country move to hold the things we didn't want the movers to handle, and ended up keeping it. I use that thing all the time for hauling everything that's either too messy (shrubs, mulch) or too large (tractor, motorcycle) to fit in the Yukon. Towed behind the GMC, it's unnoticeable, but it will be perfect for the tow-packaged RAV4 for those trips to Lowes.

    I'm the type who keeps vehicles for a while. The '00 VW Jetta it will be replacing we've had for eight years, so I should probably get that bumper to bumper lifetime warranty. I had every intention of driving that Jetta past 200k miles, but it just isn't large enough for our soon-to-be family of 5, even for my wife driving around town. There might be three seatbelts back there, but you can't fit three car seats abreast. So for us, the third row seat was yet another essential.

    I test drove a V6 the dealer had on the lot. I was impressed by its speed. Having owned a Ninja ZX-11 at one point and being a Naval Aviator by trade, I'm not accustomed to being amused by the performance of economy cars.

    So here it is; this is what we need in our secondary family vehicle, the short-hauler:
    1) Room for two adults, three carseats, possibly four kids in the next two years
    2) 25 mpg or better--one gas guzzler in the garage is enough.
    3) Real 4x4 for possible winter trips to PA, and driving on beach in NC.
    4) Strong engine and tow package so I can still transport big things with my trailer.
    5) Price range: $25-40k, any brand with a reputation for quality (preferably GM, Honda, any German brand, Volvo or Toyota).
    6) Not a minivan. Just a personal preference / abhorrance shared by me and my wife.

    I compared the RAV4 to the X3 and the baby Rover and the cute-ute of the rising sun seems to come out on top for what I need. As a matter of fact, it seems to fit my needs without compromise. None of the other compact utility vehicles have the seating capacity, and the mid-size (MUVs?) don't get much better mileage than the Yukon.

    Any comments?

    -Thanks
  • nimiminimimi Posts: 249
    Shop for your Toyota Platinum warranty on-line and you'll save at least 50% from what you mentioned. Various dealers in New England, KS, other places are referenced in other Toyota forums.
  • thomasw98thomasw98 Posts: 29
    I looked at the CR-V and the Rav4; closest Mitsubishi dealer located too far away to consider the Outlander without first confirming an acceptable price via internet or phone...but the dealer in Venture CA was communication deficient.

    Finally ended up buying a Nissan Rogue SL AWD instead. I will write a detailed review after a few more days of driving.
  • edlee1edlee1 Posts: 4
    Your reasoning makes perfectly good sense to me. I too was looking for a smaller SUV (?) to replace my 2003 GMC Envoy. I don't put much stock in what the so-called experts say about any vehicle, the only true way to buy a vehicle is test drive and go look them over. I had read before I bought my Envoy that they were terrible, but I never had any problems with mine, I just wanted something that would go further on a gallon of gas, and I had good luck with past Toyota vehicles. I looked at just about all the smaller SUV's and for the money, I believe you could not do better then the RAV4. There are plenty of good cars to spend your money on, so go with your gut instinct. But in this size range, I would certainly recommend the RAV4. My 2 cents.
  • tireguytireguy Posts: 194
    So did you replace the Envoy?

    After reading just about evey review on the net, from www.motortrend.com to www.motherproof.com, I'm convinced the RAV4 will make a great vehicle for my wife to haul the boys around in. I'm not planning on trading the Yukon in till gas hits $10 a gallon. Barring it's Chevy and Cadillac twins, there's no vehicle that can do what it does as well as it does (maybe the Excursion, but it lacks the refinement). It's equally comfortable taking six adults out to a nice dinner, hauling six sheets of 4x8 sheetrock (hatch closed) home from Lowe's, or slogging through the mud in 4 Lo with the rear diff locked up. It's a young father / husband / homeowner's dream truck--as long as you don't mind paying $130 to fill 'er up.

    Everyone knows gas is only expensive right now because of speculation. Like the real estate market in California, eventually, all markets which are so over-inflated will eventually burst. And the Saudis are doing their part to make that happen.

    But it will still be nice to have a fuel-sipping SUV for running the family around town.
  • tireguytireguy Posts: 194
    Well the RAV's in the garage; the old faithful Jetta has been relegated to the driveway. Surprisingly, the RAV fits perfectly in the VW's spot, with basically the same length and width, there's still plenty of room to enter the garage, access my toolbox and walk between the vehicles. The Yukon XL effectively cuts off the left side of the garage from door to wall.
    The vehicle drives nicely. Although it's powerful, four-wheel-drive, and black with bold 17" rims, it still seems a bit girly for some reason which I'm yet to identify (more so than the Jetta). Even though my frugal wife has implemented a house rule that one must grab the most efficient vehicle available (meaning it makes no sense for me to drive the 5.3L GMC to work when either of the foreign econocars will otherwise sit idle all day), every couple we know from age 25-55 has his and her vehicles. That's the policy I'm pushing. And nice as it is, the RAV is definitely hers.
    But I'm still very impressed that Toyota can get 269 horsepower out of a normally aspirated 3.5L V6. With 50% more displacement, my Yukon only has 9% more horsepower.
  • chelentanochelentano Posts: 634
    Yea, RAV4 has very nice V6 engine: powerfull and economical.

    Speaking of horsepower per displacement ratio, one vehicle comes to my mind: the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII FQ400. This 4 cylinder 2.0 Litre baby delivers 405 horses @ 6800 rpm. It gets to 0-60 mph in 3.5 sec: better then 6.2L V12 Lamborghini Murcielago, and better then ultra-exclusive $1.2 million Pagani Zonda which has the 6.0L V12 sourced from AMG by Mercedes-Benz.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    With a turbocharger you can do amazing things.

    As far as the RAV appearing "girly" to tireguy, I think that's true of all the mini-utes now. It wasn't the case before the new model CR-V, to me, with it's blocky, utilitarian design. Nowadays though, these small CUVs scream "MOM'S CAR" to me much more than any minivan.
  • tireguytireguy Posts: 194
    RAV4s are definitely feminine, but I'd imagine those girly lines would blur when pulling a 3500 lb bowrider up a slippery ramp in 4wd, or romping through a foot of snow on the way to your hunting cabin on a road with no county service.
    Cute or not, it's got the capability I was looking for. And my wife likes it, so that's good enough.
    Incidentally, I found some videos on the net of people doing things in RAV4s that I might have hesitated to do in my previous Wrangler. It's amazing what you can do when you couple 4wd with traction control and a little ground clearance, even in a soccer-mom grocery getter!
  • sdc2sdc2 Posts: 780
    You can make it a little less "girly" by taking the spare tire cover off... ;)
    Certainly the latest generation is less feminine-looking than previous ones...I don't have a problem with it anyway.

    I got 28.2 mpg on my last trip, with 3 passengers and luggage. The V6 RAV4 is the only vehicle I am aware of with that combination of towing capacity and gas mileage (though not simultaneously).
  • comem47comem47 Posts: 390
    I've gotten 27 mpg in my V6 Outlander and it too can tow 3500 lbs. I seriously considered the RAV-4 when I was looking but the swing door doesn't do it for me.
    (they also were dealing good $ on Outlanders with a great warranty.) Otherwise the RAV was in the running.
  • sdc2sdc2 Posts: 780
    OK, you are right, but I neglected to mention my 3rd criteria since it is unique to me: whether I can fit in it. I am 6'3" and long torso, so I am headroom challenged in most vehicles, but the RAV with its height-adjustable seat all the way down and telescoping steering wheel all the way up and out fits me nicely, plus I still have good upward visibility to stoplights and such. There are some other vehicles I can fit into, but my head is so near the ceiling that I have to hunch over just to see if the stoplight has changed...unacceptable.
  • jondubusjondubus Posts: 18
    Please read my post nearby on MY '07 RAV4 defective airbag experience and my current Toyota customer
    (dis)service experience. You should drop Toyota from your list like a hot potato. Just my .02. Good Luck. :lemon:
  • tireguytireguy Posts: 194
    I didn't see your post, but sorry to hear about it. Too late to drop it; it's in my garage. Every model has its tales of lemons, and I have pretty low expectations when it comes to dealer / manufacturer customer service.

    So far so good. Wife loves it. And it's actually very quick--as you'd expect from a miniature vehicle with more horsepower than a 2000 Mustang GT. Splash guards and the trailer hitch make it look a little less svelte, but it's still girly. The JBL stereo rattles your teeth with its abundant bass, but it doesn't have the depth of the Bose system in my Yukon.

    The right-swinging gate actually works out pretty well for us. The 18 month-old sits behind the driver, and the 3-year old sits in the right side of the third row (with the left seat stowed) so my wife doesn't even have to walk around the vehicle to secure them in their carseats.
  • Does your RAV4 have leather seats or cloth seats? does it have Yokohama Geolandar tires? Where do you take it for service? How do you wash it? How does the 4WD system work? Would you suggest the Base model with the V6 engine with steel wheels?
  • sataeisataei Posts: 4
    I have the same issue choosing between a 2009 Rav4 V6 sport and 2009 Outlander V6 XLS; I live in Canada and can get much better deal on outlander than Rav4 and personally like the outlander features more.

    I was going to get the outlander until I did a test drive and realized some kind of high engine sound when trying to accelerate with outlander , I and my wife both notice this, It looked to me the engine does not have the enough power for the body to kick it so has to work hard! This never happened when we test the Rav4(very smooth and powerful engine), outlander dealer blame to engine not warm enough? But I did not buy it.

    Has anyone notice this? Is this normal? If I did not have this experience I had the outlander now!
  • comem47comem47 Posts: 390
    I have an '07 Outlander LS V6 and find the engine just fine when I punch it. Something must be very wrong with the XLS you drove. I briefly considered the RAV-4, but really got turned off by the swinging door with the tire on it. (parking in the city with a car behind you one could have a job getting stuff out of the back with the door in the way, as opposed to the low height fold down tailgate of the Outlander). For me, the lower price, super sound system and superior warranty of the Outlander had me drop the RAV off of my shopping list. The Hyundai Santa Fe was also on my list and might be worth looking at (it's a bit larger, weighs more and consumes a little more in gas, but also has a great warranty)
  • piastpiast Posts: 269
    +1 for Outlander. XLS V6, no problems and plenty of power. Engine doesn't sound as refined as Honda V6 (our other car), but the whole package is much better than any other small to medium CUV on the market. Our other choice was Santa Fe as well.
  • sataeisataei Posts: 4
    I am going to call outlander dealer to bring another car for test, as you guys said could be smething wrong with the car I tested.
  • chelentanochelentano Posts: 634
    No engine noise on my Outlander V6 XLS - It has plenty of power. RAV's V6 does have more horse power but that's about it - RAV4 was my distant second choice. The Outlander comes with the best package of features, styling, handling and warranty.
  • bengabenga Posts: 3
    sataei, I drove a LS at a dealership in Quebec a few days ago. The ride was smooth, no strange sound although I forced it a bit. The engine responded quick enough and the transmission reacted remarkably smooth. Try another one.
    I preferred the Outlander for its extended warranty and its equipment. It has a few nice bling-blings, too. How reliable, not sure yet...
    For us as a family it's the best bang for the buck. Compare them thoroughly and choose whichever model suits you and your family.
  • sataeisataei Posts: 4
    Finally, I picked up my XLS last week and so happy with it. it took about 3 weeks dealer find one here in Toronto, it seems there are not enough XLS model left specially for certain colors like grey and black but he found a black one and it is really nice truck.
    The engine is very powerful and it is not like the one I tested before.
    Anyways, I am driving it now and so happy with my pick, oh and did I mentioned the sound system? It is insane!! I have not seen anything like this before it is better than my home theatre at home, the features are great, it has a great space for the passengers in the back and very comfortable, so glad to pick this over RAV4, RAV4 looks like a toy compare to this.
    So I got a better car, better features, better look, better Warranty and much better finance option than RAV4.

    Thanks guys for all the input, it did really helped me for this pick.

    cheers...
  • costello1costello1 Posts: 60
    I have a 07 xls with 17k on it and I love it , my 2nd Mitshi . Enjoy it !!!
  • toomanyfumestoomanyfumes S.E. Wisconsin Posts: 894
    Glad you like it, I've had my '07 for two years this month, no problems, great car, still love it!
  • sir_timbitsir_timbit Posts: 39
    Hi all,

    My wife and I are looking for something a bit bigger than our current Mazda 3, now that we have an addition to the family. I'm trying to decide between the base 4 cylinder RAV 4 and a base 4 cyl Mitsu Outlander, probably 2WD for both. I'm in Canada, and pricing on the base models is relatively close, but the Mitsubishi has better financing options, warranty, etc. (we also considered a Mazda 5 but it felt a bit sluggish compared to the test drive of the 4 cyl RAV 4, and no stability control was the deal breaker--otherwise great car)

    We'll be testing the Outlander later this week. I already know from the test drive of the RAV that the base 4 cylinder will be just fine for our needs. I'm unsure about the Mitsu though. Most of the reviews out there comparing the RAV and Outlander are all about the V6 models. Here's what I've gleaned so far... I don't care about the 3rd row seating, which isn't an option on the base of either 4 cyl model anyway.

    base RAV 4 (4 cyl)
    + relatively powerful for a 4 cyl engine (179hp)
    + great fuel economy for a compact SUV
    + 2nd row seats fold flat
    + lots of Toyota dealers in our city, and the RAV is built here in Canada (service concerns?)
    + assumed Toyota high resale value
    + seemed relatively quiet during test drive
    - rear gate swings to the curb is a big turnoff
    - no other frills but that's base Toyota for you
    - financing options not nearly as good as Mitsu

    base Outlander (4 cyl)
    + better pricing / financing options
    + very slick rear liftgate--impressive two piece clamshell design
    + heated seats standard, even on base (not offered on base RAV)
    + better warranty
    + road side assistance
    + includes tonneau cover and rear privacy glass (not offered on base RAV)
    - engine not quite as powerful or fuel-efficient as the RAV's 4-cyl
    - far fewer Mitsu dealers in area...wonder about future of Mitsu in general
    - resale value compared to Toyota?
    - concerns about noise and ability of the 4-cyl's CVT?

    Thoughts? I'll have a better idea once I actually test drive the Outlander, of course. There must be others out there that were just looking at the 4 cyl base models of these two.

    Thanks!
  • bdymentbdyment Posts: 549
    Have you considered a Mazda Tribute or a Ford Escape? They both seem to have the features you are looking for. We have a 2009 Ford Escape and we have been very pleased. Tribute and Escape are basically the same vehicle.
  • rcpaxrcpax Posts: 580
    If you talk base models, you get anti-theft system and tire pressure monitoring in the Outlander, you don't have that in the base RAV-4. The Outlander has a bigger tank, and a smaller turning circle.

    But if all things equals, even just the warranty will seal the deal for the Outlander. If you consider the pros and cons, the Outlander is more car for your money than the RAV-4.

    I have heard of talks that Mitsubishi will close shop and leave the North American market, I have heard of such talks since ages ago. But look at the US now, it was GM and Chrysler filing for bankruptcy, not Mitsubishi. This is their company press release: http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMNA/jsp/company/commitment.do
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,235
    The Outlander's 2nd row folds flat as well.

    Also, if you will keep the vehicle for several years, you might find the difference in resale to not be that significant. Or it might even work against you. When I bought my '99 Galant, a comparable Camry was running around $3K more. After 10 years, using KBB the Camry is worth $2K more than my Galant (similar equipment, mileage, zip code). So that higher Toyota resale actually would have cost me $1000.

    Regarding noise, I agree the Outlander's interior noise is more than I would prefer. Still, as you're in Canada, the heated seats might be worth it as a tradeoff for higher noise.

    Other considerations: Do both engines use timing chains (good for life of the engine) or belts (need to be replaced every 60K miles or so)? Are there other maintenance considerations that would make one more expensive than the other? Is one drastically more expensive to insure?

    Have fun with your test drive and be sure to let us know how it goes!
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