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timing belt replacement?

forcefiveforcefive Posts: 1
edited March 17 in Mitsubishi
Hey out there, I've got a '95 Mits Eclipse GS with
55k. I hear it's time to replace the timing belt.
Whom should I go to, how much will it cost, and
what should I look out for? Anybody know a good
mechanic in Hawaii? Aloha
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  • charlesfcharlesf Posts: 28
    Are you on the island of Hawaii?
  • FORCEFIVE: I just picked up a new Galant yesterday. While looking thru the owners manual I noticed that for the particular 4 cylinder in my car that the recommended timing belt change-out is 100K ! Go figure! That seems abit much to me as most mfgs. seem to think 60K is about right. Has Mitsu made big strides in belt durability or is this just sales hype? I think I'll change mine @ 60K anyway when the time comes.
  • jmolinskyjmolinsky Posts: 18
    Don't fret about the 100K number. Within the last couple of years, some manufacturers have been using better timing belts. For instance, on Accords the interval has been raised from 60K to 90K within the last 2-3 years. Save yourself some cash and wait.
  • quickshiftquickshift Posts: 16
    You can either pay now or pay later about $900 for valves work. Your choice?
  • guitarzanguitarzan Posts: 632
    Quickshift, you're saying that Mitsubishi would make a recommendation knowing full well that the belt might fail before that mileage?

    Perhaps a good question for the DEALER is: What will you do for me if this belt breaks before 100k?
  • sugardogsugardog Posts: 41
    If the belt breaks it will only damage the engine if the engine is an 'interference' engine. Check with the manufacturer, do not ask the service people, they don't always have the correct answer, and they may make one up. Check your owner's manual maint chart. My 92 toyota has two charts, the 'B' chart is for severe duty, taxi cabs and such, that says replace at 60k. The 'A' chart is for normal driving, and the timing belt is not even listed. My car has 80k and still going, a friend had his replaced at 100k. Bottom line is there is a risk after 60k. If it is not an 'interference' engine, breaking will not hurt the engine, just the agony of a breakdown where ever you are at the time, how much risk can you accept?
  • The Gates Rubber site has info (not real up to date, however) on timing belt change recommendations and, more importantly, notes which are interference vs non-interference engines.
  • vclarkvclark Posts: 1
    Is it true there is a problem with the timing belts on the chevy ventures?
  • dhoffdhoff Posts: 282
    I can say with certainty that there is no problem with the timing belts on Chevy Ventures. That is because they do not have timing belts.

    They have pushrod engines, not overhead cams.

    Dave
  • avs007avs007 Posts: 97
    Most of GM's pushrod engines have timing chains, as opposed to timing belts... I figure someone would be either confused, or try to be a smart-mouth, so I thought I would clarify...
  • dwanndwann Posts: 5
    I know this isn't recommended, but my 92 Geo Prizm went 211,000 miles on the original timing belt. Never had a problem, it purred like a kitten, even after I sold it. I had a 90 Mazda MX6 that had 146,000 miles on it when I traded it in and never replaced the timing belt. Granted, the mileage was all highway miles, but I have yet to replace a timing belt on a vehicle I have owned. (I'm probably going to start doing it now though...don't wanna push my luck!)
  • ataieataie Posts: 84
    Just bought a 95 Maxima, with no service records. The car checked out great and it runs super. I've heard that on these cars you need to change the timing belt @ 60K, and due to difficaulty, you may as well change the water pump and the seals for about $900.

    My question, is there a way to check to see if the belt is in good condition or not, or should I go ahead and get it done. I was also told the if the belt goes, I will bend the valves and am looking at $2000 worth of repair.
  • ataieataie Posts: 84
    I forgot to mention, the car has 91k on it.
  • bobs5bobs5 Posts: 557
    I just changed the timing belt this past weekend on my 86 ply. reliant.
    This engine has a 2 piece plastic housing over the timing belt area.I could remove 3 screws and take the upper housing off thereby revealing the timing belt.
    Last replacement was at 75k miles, just replaced at 138k miles.
    A little over 60k miles on last belt and it was showing small cracks. Caught it in time!

    I am not familiar with your Maxima engine, but maybe it has a cover which may be removed easily?
    Good luck.
  • dhoffdhoff Posts: 282
    I think you MAY be in luck. Nissan switched the Maxima engine to a timing chain in either 95 or 96. I don't know which, though.

    I do know how you can find out though. Go the the Maxima BBS and post a question and they should be able to help you out. Here's a link:

    http://socrates.math.ohio-state.edu/testforum/

    Good luck.

    Dave
  • You have the same engine as is in my I30. And yes, you are in luck. This 190HP V6 has a timing chain, not a rubber belt. The chain resembles the metal chain on a bicycle. Once less thing for you to worry about! (It's nice to own a car with the best V6 available!)
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,880
    Rubber timing belts are not the sinister thing some people make them out to be.

    Just change the thing every 90,000 miles! Is that such a big deal?

    Sorry,tonewheel, but timing chains also give trouble. They stretch, the gears wear and the tensioners wear out.

    When I owned my nice little Nissan pickup, I had to replace those items. Not a big deal, but just due to normal wear after 120,000 miles.
  • But my first ('96) I-30 had 225,000 when I got rid of it...with no timing chain issue. Yep, the gears (sprockets, actually) may round off, the tensioner was a non-issue, and how does a metal chain "stretch". The Nissan V6 190HP was the most trouble-free engine I've ever owned in my 30 years of owning cars.(Ward Automotive's top V6, 5 years running.)
  • I just replaced the timing chain on my 87 Grand National with 73k miles with an Edelbrock true roller. Metal will stretch over time as it is exposed to heat and stress. The stock chain had nylon teeth which were starting to crack. I'd say go ahead and replace the cam button, water pump and, front seal while there. Not sure how much applies to new cars though.
  • pjyoungpjyoung Posts: 885
    I was told by the Honda shop that they recommend changing the water pump at the same time because you've already paid for 90% of the labor with the timing belt. If you don't and you have to replace the water pump later, you've effectively doubled your costs. Maybe they were out to make a little extra money, but I figure, better safe than sorry.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,880
    When the timing belt job is done, the water pump is right there and is nothing to replace.

    To me, it would be false economy to not just replace it while doing the timing belt.

    It could last another 50,000 miles or more, but why take the chance? The pump itself isn't that expensive.

    My only point was, to me, anyway, having to replace a timing belt once every 90,000 miles isn't that big of a deal.

    And timing gears, chains and sprockets also wear out!
  • True it is always a good idea to change the waterpump the same time as the timing belt.
    In my case, (just a few days ago)I was having a problem with the engine running rough so I took it in for a tune up. Since I had close to 100km/60m I wanted to replace the timing belt at the same time.
    It turned out that the waterpump was going (eventually siezed) and my belt was chewed up and
    ready to snap!

    Depending on your engine, if you wait for the belt to break, the bill could be 4x more with the extra damage.
    If the belt breaks, the syncronization between the crankshaft and the camshaft will be lost. And
    to make matters worse, as the engine is grinding to a halt, its possible that the pistons and valves will smack together and bend a valve or valves.

    Do yourself a favor and replace the dam belt! For
    most cars its every 60,000 milles/100km. or 4yrs.
    (check your owners manual)
    For some cars its sooner, or if the belt has been splashed with oil it will degrade faster too.

    For me the bill was only $600 canadian for both the belt and waterpump on my 93 lexus es 300. In US funds it should be only half of that:-)

    Cheers, and happy driving.
  • lancerfixerlancerfixer Posts: 1,308
    Correct me if I'm wrong, isellhondas, but I beleive the Honda recommended service interval for VTEC or DOHC Honda motors is 60k miles, but non-VTEC/SOHC engines are due every 90k miles. Just turned 90k yesterday on my '94 Accord LX (SOHC, non-VTEC), so I've got to get it in soon...
  • I have a 2.5 litreV6 are there any known problems with this engine,it has 27,000 miles.what should I expect
  • I have A Millenia L 97 it seems a bit sluggish,does any one else agree
  • pat455pat455 Posts: 603
    I have answered you in the new topic you created. This topic is about timing belts. Why don't you follow the link I gave you in #865. And you also could use our Search feature to the left to find existing topics in Town Hall about Mazdas.

    Pat
    Community Leader/Maintenance & Repair Conference
  • butch11butch11 Posts: 153
    According to my 97 accord, (non VTEC)owners manual in normal service it says to change the timing belt at 105K. Am at 88K now and plan not to change it till at least 150K. Will not change the water pump unless it has a leak or bearings appear to be shot. My dear dealer wants to change the timing belt at 90K. Saw a 97 belt changed at 110K and it looked new-these things are a lot more durable now and if you put on lots of highway miles-you can probably extend the change interval.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,880
    Around 1988 or 89, they went from 60,000 miles to 90,000. V-tech has nothing to do with it.

    Since it's only 15,000 miles between the 90K service and the 105K timing belt job, I would probably just get everything done at 90K.

    Butch11, it's not always possible to determine the condition of a belt by just looking at it. You take a gamble if you want, but why?

    Also, after 100,000 miles, your water pump has had a long life...Will it go another 30,000 miles?

    Perhaps, but since it is exposed and is RIGHT THERE during the timing belt job and can be easilly replaced without additional labor charges, why not get it over with and be done with it once and for all?
  • b3u12b3u12 Posts: 7
    replacing belt for the first time,the shop manual says the tensioner spring and retainer bolt must be installed to obtain proper tension for the timing belt.Car has 58000 miles on it.plan to do the job this spring.advise any one to get these parts before you do the job.Shop manual don,t make any sense on this issue.Anyone have the same experince?Manual is 1996 contour/mystique for a 2.0 engine printed by helminc.
    Edd
  • Have a 97 Camery LE V6 with 64,000 miles. I am getting conflicting info on timing belt replacement. Dealer is pushing 60,000 miles. Owners maintenance manual does not mention timing belt replacement. Toyota On-Line says 60,000 under extreme use. An of-the-self repair manual says 90,000 miles. Any good info out there.
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