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Outlander vs CX-7 vs Tribeca

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  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I really don't consider CX-7 in the same class as the Tribeca, although they do have similarities. The CX-9 is more in the same class as the Tribeca, and the CX-9 is superior to the Tribeca in many ways. Passenger room (by far!), standard features, HP, handling, acceleration, breaking, styling (which is subjective). The Subi does have a more advanced AWD system, but, it does not always translate into better handling. Read the Mazdaspeed6 vs Legacy GT Spec B comparo. The Speed6 out handles the GT, by far. Both of those vehicles utilize the same AWD systems in their SUV's.
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Posts: 1,394
    superior as in ride quality, fit & finish, safety rating etc. and not in extra features.

    Yes, subaru AWD is superior, hard data is my practical experience with driving in 2 major blizzards - most cars with AWD/4WDs were spinning while i was cruising. In fact, the most cars on the road that day were subarus. I never shovelled my Outback -no matter how much snow there is. go to youtube.com and see some videos of subaru performing in bad weather.

    you may quote ZDNet on car reviews (frankly they are not well known for cars as much they are for computers). i would like to quote you caranddriver triebca review saying if you close your eyes and drive you would swear that you are driving an X5.

    And subarus last forever - 95% of all subarus sold in the last 10 years still on road. The only brand with every model line with maximum safety raing in its class.

    i have owned subarus since 1994. I also owned a gallant in late 90s - i will never go back to mitsubishi because of my experience with the gallant.
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Posts: 1,394
    i agree. they are not the same. i looked at CX-9 closely, though being an SUV, it drives like minivan. i owned an MPV which traded-in for tribeca became so bad in 5 years with only 40k miles on it - my wife would never allow me to go back to mazda.

    subarus are well built cars and you can see it when it is aging - after 4-5 years. it will run like new
  • 1racefan1racefan Posts: 932
    "Yes, subaru AWD is superior, hard data is my practical experience with driving in 2 major blizzards"

    Actually, your practical experience would be considered anecdotal at best - not hard data that was collected by professionals under controlled tests.
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Posts: 1,394
    and we count gadgets & extra features, here are some that only Tribeca offers and most competitors don;t:

    1. ambient lighting inside cabin
    2. puddle lights
    3. subaru backed extended warranty & not some unknown players who claim backruptcy in 2 years
    4. wiper deicer
    5. 6CD MP3 changer
    6. auto head lights off with ignition
    7. watch DVD on NAv screen
    8. daytime running lights
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    i looked at CX-9 closely, though being an SUV, it drives like minivan.

    Wow, you are the first to say that. It drives NOTHING like an MPV. Recent comparo's done by numerous third party companies said it is just sensational. Edmunds named it their "Most Wanted SUV under $35K". Motor Trend preferred it over the GMC Acadia and Acura MDX!

    Why would you even look at the CX-9 KNOWING your wife would never go for another Mazda? Sound like you were pre judgemental before you even looked at it.

    I happen to own both a 05 Mazda and a 02 Subaru. My Impreza has 64K on it, and I have had numerous problems to date: O2 sensor twice in the past 3 weeks, blew head gasket at around 50K, replaced fuel lines to to leakage (common problem with late model Subies) at 59K, heat shield fell off, replaced intake manifold due to crack at around 55-60K, tranny has a hard 2nd gear shift in which tranny flush did not help, cup holder broke, replaced clock at 62K due to center console electrical issue.

    Is the AWD good in snow? Yes. My Mazda6 can out corner it with ease on dry and wet pavement.

    Current problems with Mazda6 w/ 33K to date: None
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    and we count gadgets & extra features, here are some that only Tribeca offers and most competitors don;t:


    1. ambient lighting inside cabin

    Offered on the CX-9 and CX-7!

    3. subaru backed extended warranty & not some unknown players who claim backruptcy in 2 years

    Mazda has Easy Care, which is MEPP (Mazda Extended Protection Plan). In other words, a Mazda warranty.

    5. 6CD MP3 changer


    Place a check next to the CX-9 and CX-7!

    6. auto head lights off with ignition

    Not sure what this means? CX-7 and CX-9 have auto on and auto off headlights on GT trim.

    Why would you want a Nav system you can watch movies on? People in the back can't see it! Only the driver and passenger can. What is the point of that?
  • growwisegrowwise Posts: 297
    I'll have to say that best among the bunch mentioned above is the one that is fully paid off. If not, then that small econobox would be the best choice...
  • morey000morey000 Posts: 320
    sorry it took me so long to reply. I don't check the board all that often.

    the web site I was referring to was the Automotive Lease Guide, but I think that it got cut from the forum as they don't always allow direct links. But, look for ALG dot com.

    I'll try again here:
    https://www.alg.com/deprratings.aspx?sid=43
  • css1css1 Posts: 247
    Blizzards ARE unpredictable. For this kind of driving I wouldn't put my life in the hands of techs and controlled tests.

    Subaru IS an AWD company - Standard on every car. For Mazda AWD is an option like Power windows.
  • 1racefan1racefan Posts: 932
    I am not saying Subaru doesn't have the best AWD systems. However, the previous poster's "proof" was simply anecdotal. I once owned a Honda, the a/c compressor died at about 50K miles. That is not justification for me to say that all Honda a/c compressors are junk. Just because the other poster saw other AWD vehicles off the side of the road, means nothing. You have no way of knowing the skill set of the drivers of those vehicles, if the tires on those vehicles were suitable to such conditions, etc...

    "Subaru IS an AWD company - Standard on every car. For Mazda AWD is an option like Power windows."

    I think this is being a bit simplistic - obviously a lot more engineering goes into an AWD system than a power window. I have nothing against Subaru. I would just like to see some proof somewhere that their AWD systems are superior to Honda's SH-AWD, Mitsubishi's AWD (these guys have had a lot of rally success as well), and Mazda's. The only thing being brought to the table so far are anecdotes.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I would just like to see some proof somewhere that their AWD systems are superior to Honda's SH-AWD, Mitsubishi's AWD (these guys have had a lot of rally success as well), and Mazda's. The only thing being brought to the table so far are anecdotes.

    Very true. But, really, how can one tell who's AWD system is really "better"? You would have to take one vehicle, a Mitsu Outlander per say, and try it with each different AWD system to see which works better. AWD is not the only deciding factor in handling and road grip. Suspension, tires, wheel size, wheel base, engine power, etc.

    The one true road test that tested Subaru's AWD vs. Mazda's AWD was the Mazdaspeed6 vs. Legacy GT Spec B and the Mazdaspeed won hands down in cornering and road grip. But, like I said, there are other factors. There have also been tests stacking up the STi vs the EVO. Many have the EVO as the better road handler. Some have the STi.

    It is a know fact that there is more to Subaru's and Mitsu's AWD system then there is to Mazda's. This makes them more "advanced". But, the AWD system is worthless with out a well rounded vehicle to built on it. So, what it really comes down to is who makes the better "package deal". Just because Mitsu has won a bunch of rally championships, does that make Mitsu better? No. Just because Subaru has AWD in all their vehicles, does it make them better? No. It all comes down to what you prefer in your vehicle as a "package deal". It's tough to break it down part by part to say who is better.
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Posts: 1,394
    i can definetly speak to subaru's AWD. My neighbor has honda CRV 4wd and another has pathfinder 4wd. Both cars are well maintained & newer cars too.

    often times, when it snows hard, both the cars need showeling. i give them ride to work in my Outback..........how else will u say which AWD is better ?

    honda needs to be sued for using 4wd word on CRV and pilot and it is simply an electronic 4wd & not mechanical
  • 1racefan1racefan Posts: 932
    "honda needs to be sued for using 4wd word on CRV and pilot and it is simply an electronic 4wd & not mechanical "

    Huh? Are you refering to the fact that the CRV's 4wd system acts in "Real Time", versus having a dial, and having to manually select it? I don't understand your comment about "they need to be sued for using 4wd word". My understanding is that if the vehicle detects the main drive wheels slipping, it transfers power automatically to the other 2 wheels in order to help get the vehicle moving. This is no different that a driver of a traditional 4wd vehicle that can't get moving, and manually flips a switch to "turn on" the other 2 wheels. If the vehicle is able to send power to all 4 wheels, that is the definition of 4wd, and no law suit should be needed ;) . By the way, this system is controlled by hydraulics, not electronics (per the Honda website).

    With the Pilot, you can manually lock the rear differential for starting up in low traction situations. It can then manually stay locked up for up to 18mph (this is from Honda's website by the way).
  • css1css1 Posts: 247
    Yes I am being simplistic. Sometimes the answer is simplistic. Mazda is part of Ford, & Ford beancounters see black or white.

    That said, The CX7 and CX9 were not engineered with AWD as an integral part of their base drive train. Their great front drivers too.
    AWD is an option. The Ford 500, Oh Taurus, sorry, is the Mr. potatoe head of cars. It's a work in progress with sales #'s directing improvements and available options. If they were serious about AWD they would have carried over the S80 mechanicals in total.

    As Aviboy97 said in the post following your reply - Look at the whole pkg. - and Subaru's handeling incorporates not only on their AWD systems but on the engineering of the whole car. They use boxer engines to achieve a lower center of gravity, etc..

    I applaud Mitsubishi for not putting AWD into all their cars just to advertize "we have it too" It's engineered into select vehicles. I am not saying that their cars and trucks are not good or not safe.

    Mitsubishi will improve on the success of their EVO and Outlander, however, right now
    Subaru has been doing it longer - Their just better at it. It's that simple.

    Charlie
  • 1racefan1racefan Posts: 932
    "however, right now
    Subaru has been doing it longer - Their just better at it. It's that simple."

    Do you have any links to data proving your hypothesis, or just going with the "they have been doing it longer, so they must be better" theory?
  • css1css1 Posts: 247
    Please excuse my type-o's - I was in a hurrry.
  • css1css1 Posts: 247
    I have no data to prove my Hypothesis because I have no hypothesis.

    I base my statement on personal experience - and so does everyone else in this thread supporting Subaru.

    Let's say you wanted to purchase speakers for your audio Receiver. Nobody can hear what your ears hear. If you like a certain brand and model then it no longer matters what the specs are for that speaker.

    If, however, many other people also buy the same item , one can say that it is a better product, if not at least a great product.

    Subaru sells more AWD (not 4WD) vehicles than Mazda & Mitsubishi. People buy Subaru mainly for their AWD. Subaru only makes AWD - so if it wasn't better they would have been absorbed by GM years ago.

    Why is every other car co. adding AWD to their line - simple - Subaru's success.

    Imitation is the best form of flattery.

    I don't need to prove it on paper.

    ( this is a envigorating debate - you make some valid points - I , however , believe in the human factor - especially for driving)
  • 1racefan1racefan Posts: 932
    "Why is every other car co. adding AWD to their line - simple - Subaru's success"

    Or it could just be to diversify their lineups - instead of having all their eggs in the 2wd basket. They may have found that if they can produce all wheel drive, coupled with a smooth engine (like Honda is known for, for instance), better reliability than Subaru (with sources like CR and JD Powers backing that up), and better ergonomics, that they can steal buyers away from Subaru.

    It will be interesting to see what the future holds for Subaru. They have been the go-to conpany for AWD for a long time. However, with many other manufacturers now getting into the AWD game, with many having more resources than Subaru, it will be interesting to see what the market looks like in 10 years.

    "( this is a envigorating debate - you make some valid points - I , however , believe in the human factor - especially for driving)"

    Don't get me wrong, I see your side as well (and respect what you are saying a lot)...It is human nature to purchase based off of past experiences, and word of mouth from friends. It is hard to stray from a product that has served you well in the real world for years. I guess my point is that let's say hypothetically Subaru's AWD is better than EVERYONE else's. There is only a small percentage of the American population that would actually ever benefit from the Subaru's superiority. Not all of the country has blizzard conditions on an annual basis. So just saying that since Subaru has the superior AWD capabilities, doesn't make it the all around, best vehicle in this segment for everyone.
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Why is every other car co. adding AWD to their line - simple - Subaru's success.


    That is not totally true. Yes, Subaru has had great success, but, still they are the 5th largest mfg out of Japan. They are tiny. They only sell vehicles where it snows, unless it's a WRX/ Sti.

    Since many people now believe they need AWD, other mfg's are expanding their line-up to include their vehicles in that segment.

    Same happened when everyone started buying 4 cyl engines instead of 6 cyl's or V8's back in the 80's. People freaked out when gas prices went up. Now, people freak out when it snows, and believe they need AWD. For the 5-10 time /year is snows, I don't go anywhere anyways, and I have never gotten stuck in anything. Also, no Subi get's 30mpg's. For the 355 day's a year where fuel economy is more important to me, that eliminates AWD vehicles. That is why I drive a Mazda6. My wife gets 20mpg around town and 25 highway in here Impreza 2.5 RS.
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