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2010 Toyota 4Runner redesign

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  • agnostoagnosto Posts: 205
    Since I was planing to have the 3rd row seats 99% down and I already have an 2006 Sienna Limited, it made sense and decided to not get the 3rd row in my current 2010 4Runner Limited 4WD, and I am glad I did not, since I find the standard sliding rear cargo deck with under-floor storage box more useful... on a different subject, averaging 23.5MPG (70/30 H/C miles) on my 3rd tank of gas... wow, what an amazing vehicle...
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    If you do not need the off road capability of the 4Runner, your better off with one of your other choices.

    The rest are cross overs, and not "body on frame" like the 4Runner.
  • The Third row seat isn't as tight in the new 4Runner as it is in the Rav4. But from experience the 2009 Sienna would be a much better choice with three kids. I am a Toyota Rent a Car Manager @ Turner Toyota Rent a Car in Colorado. I have had all of the Toyota's you mentioned in my fleet. I work with alot of people, who are repeat customers of mine. They give me great input and I get to try all of the vehicles myself. I have been doing this for the past 4 years and before this I was at a different dealership in the parts department for 6 years. The Sienna is such a masterpiece when it comes to family convenience, and reliability. Living in Colorado I keeo the AWD version in my fleet and it handles like a dream in all weather. The Highlander is an excellent vehicle but with car seats and other gear it is difficult as it lacks storage area behind the third seat when in use. My Dad drives a Pilot, (he doesn't live close to me evidently) and it is smaller than the Highlander. The new 2011 Sienna van is going to have foot rests on the two rear bucket seats and has a lot of other new options to check out. The Sienna van in any recent year model is still the best Family vehicle toyota makes in my opinion.
  • I have a 2002 SR5 that has the center differential. It seems to me that the new SR5 now comes with an inferior 4wheel drive system. I would be going from push buttons to levers, and loose the center differential. Or is the 2010 4 runner's 4 wheel drive similiar to the 2002 with the center diff locked? Any input would be appreciated. I like the new one, but not sure if I should get a trail. I use it in snow, sand, and old logging roads, so having a capable 4x4 is crucial.
  • agnostoagnosto Posts: 205
    The only full time 4WD drive with center differential is the 2010 4Runner Limited edition. Both SR5 and Trail edition are part time with rear differential that require once in a month for 3-10 miles or so to engage (only off-road) the 4WD system to keep the 4WD components lubricated, and that is the main reason I paid extra to get the Limited ...
  • You just gave me more reasons to get an SR5 and take it offroad at least once a month... sweet. thanks.
  • It is important to realize that the center differential is a non-issue on the part-time 4WD models, because the transfer case divides the power equally between front and back with no variation - no differential action. The best traction available in any stock 4Runner is with part-time 4WD and a push-button locking rear differential, as comes stock on the Trail Edition. Also, in normal 2WD on the highway, the 4WD SR-5 or the Trail Edition will get better mileage than the Limited, because there are less parts moving under power - less friction. Engaging the part-time 4WD once a month is a small price to pay for better gas mileage and superior 4WD performance. Please don't take offense. The Limited is a fantastic vehicle, but it is important to see things clearly.
  • for the record: according to Toyota, there is no difference in MPG between the full-time 4WD (Torsen center differential-equipped) Limited and the part-time 4WD (VF2A transfer case) SR5 and Trail Editions. so whichever model you choose, you can expect the same fuel economy.
  • agnostoagnosto Posts: 205
    Ok, since it is a direct reply to me, I want you to realize this, that although both 4WD systems are great, the fact remains that the full time 4WD is superior to part time 4WD system and as a matter of fact superior to AWD in terms of dynamics for tough terrain on/off road ability. You need to read specific literature and educate yourself accordingly. I also understand economic conditions might prevent some people to not be able to afford the top of the line 4WD system for all terrain... so please, do us a favor and stop talking nonsense... end of story!
  • warrebwarreb Posts: 20
    Does anyone know where it is? I crawled under today, took the oil drain access plate off, saw the drain plug in the otherwise smooth plastic oil pan (held in place with 12 bolts), but no sign of a cover plate or access for the filter housing.
  • Hi Agnosto. I was trying to be helpful, so no reason to be snippy. With the center differential on the Limited, the full-time 4WD is of course far superior to AWD, because of the excellent traction control system, and the option of locking the center differential. But once you do that, you have exactly the same drive system you have on the Trail in 4WD, with traction control and no center differential action. But then on the Trail you also have the push-button locking rear axle, which is not available on the Limited, so the superior traction is the Trail with the rear end locked. The Limited is the top-of-the-line 4R, but they did make some sacrifices in off-road capability. It does make sense that Toyota would build the best off-road capability (including best traction features) into the Trail. That's the whole point of it.

    Agnosto - please keep your comments on the level of friendly discussion. Thanks and best wishes - Hikervince.
  • davidc1davidc1 Posts: 167
    Completely agree. For off-roading, Trail is the best set up. For the pavement, limited is obviously much better. So for most of real time driving, limited is the way to go if you can afford it.
  • Jan 19, 2010
    Hello everyone:
    I am buying a 2010 4 runner trail model, and want to purchase brush guards front and rear for her.

    Does any person know where to find that item?
    Also, I want to be able to park her in New York City, so brush guards / bumper guards are very important.

    The front of the new 4 runner is plastic. - One good bump on the street without bumper guards means $2000 damage.
    HELP HELP HELP
    Alan Cosmo
  • erik10erik10 Posts: 4
    Has Toyota fixed the problem of excessive rusting of truck frames in salty northern states that was most publicized in truck models up to 2004, but I assume affected SUV's as well. Am in MI & ready to buy 2010 4Runner I'd like to drive for a few years.
  • tay528tay528 Posts: 13
    Hey y'all,

    I'm new to the forum and in all honesty, new to Toyota and the 4Runner (come from a diehard Ford family).

    I've got a basic question I'm sure all of you who are searching for or have already purchased a '10 4Runner can answer. I searched the thread and caught glimpses of the answer but nothing concrete enough-

    I understand that you can get an SR5 with leather by adding the premium package. I'm having trouble locating a price for this package- anybody know off hand? If you "build" a Toyota on the site it doesn't offer the premium package as an option, only the convenience package.

    And can a SR5 with this premium package be found on the lots or is an special order only kind of thing?

    I'd love to just get the Limited grade but I'm a graduate student and that $40k price tag is hard to justify right now. I have to have leather though for my dog though (plus I've got leather now and am admittedly accustomed to it ). Thanks in advance.
  • Edmunds.com is the best way to price it out with your desired options. good luck.
  • erik10erik10 Posts: 4
    Price of SR5 Premium Package is $2205. Gets you leather trimmed front & rear, heated fronts, 8-way power driver & 4 way power passenger, leather St wheel, shifter, courtesy lamps. Check out the sliding rear cargo deck @ $350 for that dog box & groceries. I gotta have one of those things if I can be certain frame won't rust out after a few MI winters.
  • Why do you think you need 4 wheel drive on pavement? I think running in rear wheel drive is far better on pavement absent a situation that requires more traction.
  • cliffordn.. Have you ever owned a 4WD vehicle? I think not - otherwise you wouldn't have asked that question. Everyone knows that 4WD isn't necessary on dry pavement - that wasn't why the question was raised.

    Aside from reasonable, not inflated Toyota lease numbers (which I hope changes between now and summer), the issue regarding pavement is my last concern. If you can't drive the SR5 on dry pavement in 4H, it might make more sense for me to get the Limited model (which I really don't know that I want because of the price point) because the other driver of this vehicle won't want to "fuss" with the manual shifter of the SR5 because here in Colorado, you can often go from dry pavement to snow or ice covered roads.

    I was all excited when I first saw the new 4Runner - it seems to be the perfect fit for us - not a Land Cruiser that won't fit in our garage built in 1918 and not a completely suburban-ite like the Highlander.

    From a lease/finance standpoint, a Limited model pushes me up close to Land Rover LR4 and even base Porsche Cayenne pricing - a place I really don't want to go for a vehicle that will be driven less than 7,000 miles a year for vacations and driven in the winter during snow events here in Colorado.

    So does anyone know... can the SR5 be put into 4H and be driven on dry pavement as much as you want?
  • NO. the SR5 and Trail Editions DO NOT have a center differential so, unlike the Torsen-equipped 2010 Limited, they cannot be driven on dry pavement. doing so will cause excessive binding in the drivetrain and stress u-joints and other functional components (specifically when making tight turns at slow speeds). this stress will manifest itself via feedback in the steering wheel.

    the SR5 and Trail Editions should only engage 4WD when road/off-road conditions permit enough slippage to prevent binding in the drivetrain: snow, slush, ice, etc. rain can be ok, if there's enough of it; why would you need 4WD if it were only a light mist, of course.
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