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2010 Toyota 4Runner redesign

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  • warrebwarreb Posts: 20
    In the Warranty and Maintenance Guide for my 2010 4runner, on page 38 it specifically states, as the first line item under 5,000 miles of 6 months, "Replace engine oil and oil filter." I had planned on changing the break in oil at 1000 miles or so (a ritual associated with all of the previous new cars I had owned), but based on other discussions on this forum about possible extra anti-scuff additives in the factory oil, and lack of any mention by Toyota of early oil change, will probably 'split the difference' and change the break in oil & filter at 2500 or so.
  • I agree with previous post. I will be changing the oil before first 5,000 miles, no matter what the change date/miles recommend. Good to know about the lack of additives in the factory oil (first oil in engine). Thanks for the update. Total miles so far on my SR5 - 2,300 miles. Aside from having the cross-bars and not knowing how to put them on, I am very pleased.
  • embryoembryo Posts: 22
    edited February 2010
    Here are step by step instructions with images on how to install 2010 4runner cross bars. http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs-its-finally-here/58863-how-install-ro- - of-rack-crossbars.html
  • Thanks for the site reference. That forum is awesome. I will have the bars on in no-time thanks to that step-by-step.

    Thanks again!
  • embryoembryo Posts: 22
    edited February 2010
    np. there is tons of information there for current 5th gen owners and prospective buyers. www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs-its-finally-here/
  • pjc1pjc1 Posts: 72
    edited February 2010
    Here is what I received from Toyota when I inquired about the oil change interval....

    Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.

    We apologize for any misunderstanding or inconvenience this may have caused.

    Toyota recently announced that it will transition its new vehicles away from using conventional motor oil and instead use a 0W-20 weight synthetic oil.

    Currently, the following Toyota vehicles use synthetic oil:
    2010 Prius
    2010 Camry 2.5L engine with Automatic transmission (4 cyl)
    2010 Camry 2.5L engine with Manual Transmission and California emissions
    2010 FJ Cruiser with 4.0L engine
    2010 Sequoia with 4.6L engine
    2010 4Runner with 4.0L engine
    2010 Tundra with 4.6L engine

    The superior qualities of synthetic oil have allowed the oil change intervals to be extended from 5,000 miles or 6 months to 10,000 miles or 1 year whichever occurs first.

    If your vehicle is driven under "Special Operating Conditions," the oil change intervals will remain at 5,000 miles or 6 months:

    Special Operating Conditions include:
    • Driving on dirt roads or dusty roads
    • Towing a trailer, using a car-top carrier, or heavy vehicle loading
    • Repeated trips of less than five miles in temperatures below 32°F / 0°C
    • Extensive idling and/or low speed driving for extended periods such as police, taxi or door-to-door delivery use

    If you have any questions regarding your driving conditions, please contact the service department at your local dealership. You may obtain contact information for dealerships in your area by visiting www.toyota.com/dealers.

    If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us www.toyota.com/help/contactus.html.
  • pjc1pjc1 Posts: 72
    edited February 2010
    Now with 9K miles under its belt I continue to find my '10 4Runner Limited very uncomfortable. Maybe it is me but the drivers position is uncomfortable in really any seat position I have tried.

    The door sill is very high and visibility is not good. The interior profile of this truck is certainly higher than an average truck and makes seat position/visibility challenging IMHO. Seats too are too firm and are not a comfortable seating surface.
  • agnostoagnosto Posts: 205
    edited February 2010
    ... on the contrary, I find this beast (owner of 2010 4Runner V6 Limited 4WD with NAV driven so far about 5,500 miles) to be the most comfortable one compared to my previous 2 4Runners (1999 4Runner V6 Limited 4WD, 2006 4Runner V8 Limited 4WD). About 4,000 miles of the 5,500 miles I drove every day both ways 400 miles going to work for initial training for two weeks and I would not have made it, if it had not been for the comfort the beast provided for me 7 hours of driving each day (set the cruise control and let it go...), what an amazing vehicle ...
  • pjc1pjc1 Posts: 72
    Ok

    I have no other 4Runner ownership experience so I will defer to your observations.

    I suppose comparing to my previous two vehicles it is not as comfortable...comfort, after all, is relative.

    P
  • PJC -

    That is too bad to hear. I did rent an SR5 for an extended weekend up to the mountains and I did well. I thought the placement of the window switches was poor, but other than that I was fine.

    How long do you typically drive at a stretch - short trips (30 minutes or so) or longer?

    For comparison sakes, what did you drive before?
  • pjc1pjc1 Posts: 72
    edited February 2010
    Murphy:

    The majority of my trips where I feel the seating is not comfortable are about 60 to 90 minutes in length. The leather is quite stiff and is not breaking in.

    To be fair though my two previous vehicles were a 2008 Range Rover and a 2006 Land Cruiser. So the comparisons are tough to say the least. I purchased this truck to still have off road capability which I need and down size considerably for the next 4 years as I have tuition bills approaching six figures for my two daughters. I figured the limited would be the best choice to combine a "bit" of luxury in an affordable SUV.

    Maybe I will get used to it over time but am not as pleased as I hoped I would be at this point. Time will tell.

    P
  • The sport seat in my BMW 545i was the same way. I beat in into submission; took time though. That is why I passed on the leather. The cloth in my two previous SUV's was easier to clean, more comfortable and quick to warm-up. Hard to beat the cloth seat in an off road truck. Just my opinion. I am in my 4R for 7 1/2 hours at a time and I find the seats very comfortable.
  • tangmantangman Posts: 127
    Can the previous post comment on their experience between the Range Rover and their new 4-Runner. While the range rover is more cash, on paper it appears more capable. Also, those who have 5K+ miles, can you comment on your gas milage.
  • pjc1pjc1 Posts: 72
    Tangman..happy to provide my experience...

    First, my mileage in cold and snow with about 60/40 highway/city with the limited is about 19.0 mpg but I am slightly aggressive on the pedal.

    Secondly, agreed, the RR is much more expensive and in supercharged version considerably so. I believe that the RR is more capable. I got off road only about 30% of the time but the features on the RR were excellent. I did drive the trail edition before I bought the Limited and since I had yet to turn my RR in was able to do a comparison. I particularly liked the height adjustment feature combined with the multi program drive train options available with the RR. A couple years back I was out hunting and buried the RR almost to the axles in a muddy field. Dialed in mud and ruts and raised the vehicle to the highest position and crawled out and home in time for dinner. It was a truly outstanding performer.

    The RR was also much more comfortable and quiet and extremely solid. Workmanship and ergonomics were also much better. The real downside to the RR is reliability...I had several issues and the dealer was a long drive away.

    That said though the 4Runner is an ok vehicle for what it is intended to do. It is good basic transportation at a much lower price point. I have had ok experience in snow although the Bridgestone Dueler H/T D684 II's have poor stopping qualities on light snow and ice. This is the only manufactured tire for the 20" limited that I can find so "selection" is not good. I have been off road and my experience has been ok...maybe the tires are the problem but the 4R is not as nimble and responsive as the RR...it does get you from point A to point B though.

    IMHO Toyota build quality has suffered in recent years. I have owned toys in one form or another since my 1980 tercel so I have had more experience than most with toys. They are generally reliable workhorses but interior materials, sheet metal fabrication and general workmanship (fit) are not what they used to be. The 4R is good example of this, very tinny door and hood construction for a 40K truck. Although the ride is smooth for the most part.

    Now one might ask...why go to a 4R when the RR was superior? Let me put it this way...college and HS tuition bills are getting close to six figures...so the math ruled the day. When the kids are off on their own a RR will be in the driveway again.

    Hope this helps
  • embryoembryo Posts: 22
    edited February 2010
    btw, mine came with yokohoma geolander 245/60-20 g96 on the 20" rims so there is at least one other option over the bridgestones. have done well in ice and snow for me so far. got about 5k on mine. and yeah, a RR is definately going to be a nicer ride. not sure you can really compare the two...different class of vehicle. maybe a better comparison would be the land cruiser.
  • agnostoagnosto Posts: 205
    edited February 2010
    ...well, let me put it in this way, I would not even consider to compare or even own a RR even if it was given to me 100% free... and of course, nothing can beat the real beast --> its name is 2010 4Runner :shades:
  • The 4Runner front seats have never been known for "comfort". They are hard at best, and don't support much. I have an '05 Sport.
  • pjc1pjc1 Posts: 72
    Which year and Model RR and what real life driving experience do you base your conclusion upon?
  • 104runner104runner Posts: 11
    Second time in a week the check engine light came on (along with the Vehicle stability control light). First trip to the dealer for me after purchase was to deal with the first event. To summarize, there were two codes, 1 for a vacuum problem, they blamed the gas cap. 2. prolonged start issue. After a check and reset of the system, I went on my way. 4 days later the check engine light is on again. This time I did not refuel and I was driving it the entire time, there wasn't a start engine problem I could point, ie hard to start. Any one have same issue?
  • warrebwarreb Posts: 20
    Has anyone had the following experience? Today, I engaged the parking brake at low speed (to test its capability to stop the vehicle in an emergency). After stopping and turning off the engine, I moved the shift lever to "park" and restarted. Although I had disengaged the parking brake, the shift lever refused to budge from the parked position. I fussed with the parking brake (engaging and releasing it several times, sometimes with the engine on, other times with it off) and finally was able to get the shift lever to move out of park.

    My guess is a switch on the parking brake that, when engaged causes the transmission to lock in park. Perhaps the adjustment of this switch is "on the edge." Any other ideas? Could there be any electronic memory involved?
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