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Toyota RAV4 Cruise Control Problems

ces1938ces1938 Posts: 61
edited September 13 in Toyota
my Rav 4 has the worst cruse control that I have ever seen, and I have been driving cars with cruse controls for nearly 40 years and the Toyota dealer will do nothing to fix it, they just say live with it, it can't be fixed..... It will down shift with least little hill, sometime all the way down to 2nd gear, it bucks and jumps with the transmission jumping from one gear to another, I can not believe anyone could make a mess out of a cruse control like that... It actually knocks all most 5 mpg off my gas mileage, which is not that great anyway..someone please help me..could a person take the damn thing off and replace it with a after market cruse control that actually works????
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  • dtown40dtown40 Posts: 18
    Perhaps you should consult another dealer about your problem. Sounds like they just dont want to fix your cruise control. Also, have you checked to see if any TSBs have been put out on this issue? If not, you might want to check that as well.
  • ces1938ces1938 Posts: 61
    Thanks, but I guess I don't know what "TSB" means or where I would look to find it, can you help me with that??
    Thanks,
    Charles
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,944
    Here's a primer with a link to summary lists of TSBs for your car:

    You, Your Vehicle and the Technical Service Bulletin (TSB)

    This link goes straight to the TSBs.

    Moderator
    Minivan fan. Feel free to message or email me - stever@edmunds.com.

  • ces1938ces1938 Posts: 61
    Hey thanks Guy, I will check it out... Charles
  • mlmcgaheemlmcgahee Posts: 102
    I have a brand new 2007 RAV4 Base 4cyl (6000 miles on it) that is doing the same thing. With the cruse on, going 60 - 65 mph, up hill it will start shifting in and out of gears, bucking and jumping.... Have you found any answers yet?
  • ces1938ces1938 Posts: 61
    Nope, I have not, sorry, apparently Toyota is using some of the crap that the domestics use to use, the only way to get their attention is to quit buying their cars I suppose, I did that back in 1985 Buick it was junk, been 22 years but after this deal I am starting to look at GM again.. I had the same deal with a 73 Ford, I drove it 12,000 miles and never bought another Ford.... The cruse on our Rav 4's wrecks my gas mileage, how about yours?? I can get 5 mpg better if I don't use the cruse, have you noticed this with you car?? where to you live? I live in Oklahoma where we have a lot of hills, so cruse is constantly shifting up and down, if I drive with out the cruse it does NOT do that... good luck if I find out a answer I will let you know, hope you would do the same for me.... Charles
  • mlmcgaheemlmcgahee Posts: 102
    I have an appointment with Toyota Service Dept. this morning. They want to replace a solenoid in my transmission to correct the problem. I will let you know if it works....
    Mike
  • ces1938ces1938 Posts: 61
    Hey Mike, hope this works for you, maybe it will work for me, if it does I will be back at my dealer again... This problem is the main thing I have with the car.. I use a power wheel chair and use the SUV to carry it.. I have bad leg problems and like to use to use the cruse control a lot, this one is a total pain in the butt....Hope to hear from you, thanks again.
    Charles
  • mlmcgaheemlmcgahee Posts: 102
    Well..... I had a call From the Toyota Service Dept. today... After replacing the solenoid in my transmission the problem became worse. Now they are saying they will replace the whole transmission.
    Mike
  • ces1938ces1938 Posts: 61
    Oh gezzz Mike the dealer does not have a clue of what the problem is do they.... well at least maybe this will fix it for you, sure hope so but let me know how it turns out will you, maybe it will give me some info to go to my dealer with or maybe a different dealer if necessary...I still think it is a design problem, that darn computer control for the cruse control just is not as flexable as the old ones were..but we will see...Boy I sure appreciate you keeping me informed Mike, I was ready to have a after market one installed...may yet... talk to you later thanks again, Charles
  • mlmcgaheemlmcgahee Posts: 102
    Here is a link to a video of my RAV4 problem...
    Charles is this what yours is doing?
    Mike

    http://www.carspace.com/videos/play!id=.5b3d3866
  • ces1938ces1938 Posts: 61
    Hi Mike that is just like the way mine does,I finally was able to open your web site.... were they able to fix yours???
    Thanks for posting that, Charles
  • mlmcgaheemlmcgahee Posts: 102
    They still have it in the shop. I am in a loaner car until they call me later this week. Maybe this will work, but everything that I've read on the Internet points to a computer related problem that deals with the drive-by-wire technology Toyota used in the 2006-2007 Camry and RAV4 with the 4 cyl engine. The computer directly controls the cruse control and throttle. I'll keep you posted....
    Mike
  • ces1938ces1938 Posts: 61
    Yea,Mike,you have found the same info that I have, you know I retired from the Boeing company and they use the "fly by wire" system on their aircraft and it works quite well, so I don't know why they have made such a mess outta this on the car, but if you understand computers than it is not so hard to understand.. computers are not flexible enough for the cruse control, to them it is either right on or not and that just does not work for a cruse control and I can not even imagine a engineer not realizing, hell I did and so do you now, well let me know how it turns out, I am thinking about replacing it with a after market cruse but that ticks me off big time.... that stinking thing has cost them a customer that buys a new car all most every year, either for my wife or me.... thanks again... Charles
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Looks like it's "gear hunting". This is normal. When going uphill take the overdrive off. The little button on the left side of your gear shifter. The indicator O/D OFF will illuminate yellow on your instrument panel. I just saw your video on carspace and told you to take the car to the dealer immediately but after reading your post I knew exactly what you were talking about.
    :)
    Mackabee

    P.S. I've been selling Toyotas for the past 10 years and have owned 3 Camrys, 2 Corollas, 1 MR2, and the original Toyota Van LE which used to do what your RAV is doing until I was told about the overdrive switch. Try it and let us know what happens.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Charles, see my post above.
    :)
    Mackabee
  • mlmcgaheemlmcgahee Posts: 102
    I have the 2007 RAV4 base model with the 4 cyl engine. It has a gated shifter and no overdrive button. You just move the shifter to the left to take it out of overdrive. I have tried shifting it out of overdrive before going up an incline, but it has no effect on the problem. Thanks for your input mackabee.
    Mike
  • ces1938ces1938 Posts: 61
    To mackabee, I have the 4 cyl basic Rav 4 and it has the gated shifter too, and also it makes no difference the stupid thing "hunts gears" like you say, they only way the transmission will work right is if I do not use the damn cruse.... I have been buying cars with cruse control since 1970 and NONE of them worked like this, including a 1996 Camry, a 2002 Honda, a 2005 Camry wtih five speed tranny... this thing is defective either by engeering or by defect in the cruse or transmission... it is nuts, a lot of the time I just have to tap the brake so the cruse will kick off before the damn thing blows up the engine.... thank for the advice tho... Charles
  • mlmcgaheemlmcgahee Posts: 102
    Update:
    The loaner car they gave me is a Brand New 2007 Corolla LE 4 cyl. automatic. The cruse control works perfect in it... No problems what so ever. There is even more power in the shifting of the gears from a dead stop. My RAV4 tends to have some lag.
    Mike
  • mlmcgaheemlmcgahee Posts: 102
    Another Update!
    I just got a call from my Toyota Service Dept. They installed the new transmission in my RAV4 and states that it has fixed the problem. I pick it up tomorrow morning. I have my fingers crossed. We will see....
    Look for another update tomorrow...
    Mike
  • ces1938ces1938 Posts: 61
    Hey Mike, I can hardley wait to find out how it goes with your car.... it did not surprise me on the corolla, my wife had one before I bought her the 2005 camry, and like my earlier camry, "4 cyl. and 4 speed trans. it shifted perfect....I think our main problem is the piss poor attitude of most dealerships..... also on the gas milage of these cars, I have heard of some pretty darn good gas milage some guys got on some Rav 4's, I must tell you I am very enveous of your milage, mine sucks, I ended with a 24.5 avg on a 660 mile trip driving 70 mph in the flat country of Kansas.... can't wait to hear from you Mike
  • mlmcgaheemlmcgahee Posts: 102
    Well.... I got my RAV4 back this morning. It still has the same problem with the cruse control. The bright side of this is that it rules out the transmission as the problem. Also the RAV4 is shifting and responding much better than it ever did. It is very responsive now. I am going back to the service dept. next week and have a technician ride with me so he can see the cruse control problem first hand.
    Mike
  • ces1938ces1938 Posts: 61
    Let me know how it goes Mike, I really never thought it was the transmission at fault, I just think the design of the computer controlled cruse control is the problem...I have been thinking of having this one removed and have an after market cruse control installed, should be able to do that for a couple hundred bucks I would think..I have crippled knees and need a cruse control really bad... than I will be done with Toyota cars for good... thanks Mike let me know
  • 719b719b Posts: 216
    can your problem be something simple like a 4 cylinder engine pulling the weight of the rav4? it may need the extra torque from a lower gear to do inclines.
    just a guess.
  • mlmcgaheemlmcgahee Posts: 102
    This problem only occurs with the cruse control on. When I am using the pedal it shifts normaly...
    Mike
  • mlmcgaheemlmcgahee Posts: 102
    I took my RAV4 by the dealer service dept. this morning. I gave them a copy of the video I took on a CD in AVI format so they can send it to Toyota National Support if they need too. The technician rode with me and I showed him what the problem was. He was amaised. He had never seen that problem before. They are contacting national support to open a case. I think they are going to replace the computer module.
    I'll keep you informed....
    Mike
  • ces1938ces1938 Posts: 61
    Glad you are doing that Mike, keep us informed, did you tell them that other people are having problems like that too??? As for as the 4 cyl. engine, mine shifts fine if I don't used the cruse, but Toyota should have their butt kicked for not putting in the 5 speed transmisson like they did the Camry 4 cyl car....It is not the weight, my Camry weighs 3351 lbs curb weight and my Rav4 weighs in at 3300 lbs curb weight...Mike how did you show them the AVI video?? Wish I had a laptop I would take it to my dealer and show it them... Thanks so much guys.... Charles
  • mlmcgaheemlmcgahee Posts: 102
    I received a call from my Toyota Service Dept. this morning. Toyota National Support states that this is a known issue with the programing in the computer module and they are currently working on a fix(Flash Update) to address the issue. All we can do at this point is wait. I will stay on top of this and keep you informed.
    Mike
  • ces1938ces1938 Posts: 61
    You go Mike, boy I was at wits end on this thing and if I had not all ready rigged the car to haul my power wheel chair, I think I would have sold it and bought something else or installed an after market cruse control if possible.. I wonder why they are wasting their money on a fix when all they have to do is replace it with a type that has been used for the last 40 years AND worked.. Boy I am sure glad you were able to get through to Toyota.. Thanks for keeping touch Mike I can not tell you how much I appreciate it...Charles
  • 719b719b Posts: 216
    is this cruise control problem only with the 4 cylinder engine?
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