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  • reddroverrreddroverr Posts: 509
    I don't know when for it will be out for sure. I believe the Fall if it follows precendence,
  • I would strongly advise you NOT to trade in a 2006 Corolla for an XA. You would go upside down BIG time on your balance, and get a car which in my opinion isn't even close to being as good as a Corolla!
  • Please elaborate. Before I trade, I need to know all I can. I'm at my wit's end with the bouncy Corolla. I'd even considered the Yaris, but found the liftback in particular to have a bumpy ride.

  • kato1kato1 Posts: 64
    it all depends what you are comparing to. if youre comparing corolla to, say, a camry or maxima, yeah it may feel bumpy. but, in the compact class, nothing absorbs bumps better that a corolla. maybe your tires are inflated too high. maybe you need new tires. ive never heard anyone complain of the 9th gen corolla giving a bumpy ride. before i bought the corolla, i test drove everything i could many, many times. (i even went to about 8 different toyota dealers so they would not get sick of me test driving) i had narrowed it down to the xa and corolla. i actually like the unique looks of the xa. three things made the corolla the choice for me--(this is after at least 8 test drives of each car on all different types of road conditions)i.e. here is what youll give up if you make this trade--beyond the strong possibility that youll be upside down if financing is involved.

    1)the ride in the corolla was much quieter and bumps in the road were absorbed much better--the xa engine drone (4000 rpms at interstate speed) was so tedious that the only solution was to crank the stereo louder than id like or to wear some noise reducing headphones. in the xa i could feel bumps right in my a**. the corolla at the same speed was more like 3000 rpms and while i could feel the bumps (as you will in any $15000 car) they were much less harsh than in the xa.

    2)the price i paid for my 06 corolla ce w/cruise & power locks added to the standard features(which, by the way includes ac, cd player, power mirrors, outside temperature gauge--i love this feature) was only $770 more than the no haggle xa price.

    3) corolla gets better gas mileage even though it is bigger and has noticeably more power than the xa. this was, for me, a very important factor. i communicated with many owners of both the xa and corolla to see what the real world mpg numbers were.--i found corolla owner to be getting 40+ mpg on mostly highway and 32-34 mostly city. SO FAR, AFTER 3 TANKS MY NUMBERS HAVE EXCEEDED THIS. xa owners just could not achieve those numbers. the body style causes too much drag for the tiny engine and it revs too high on the highway.

    these are my observations, though i can see the appeal style wise of an xa or yaris. if i were 20 years old, the corolla might be too boring to me. i think in the corolla, toyota has combined economy with comfort better than any car in its class (yes i drove an 06 civic--no quieter, poorer mileage, and a HIDEOUS dash thats ridiculously long from driver to winshield.

    note: the same arguments apply to the corolla vs yaris, particularly the way dealers are packaging the yaris with options($$)--the yaris does come closer to the corolla in the mileage department
  • Perhaps the problem I'm having is exacerbataed by my comparing the new Corolla with my old '99 model. That was a smoother ride by far IMHO. The $15,000 price point observation you make holds validity in most cases, but I should mention what a Toyota repairman told me recently. He mentioned that there had been several complaints about bumpiness in late model Lexuses. These are high ticket items, so I'd have to believe Toyota's engineers are doing something different lately. I just don't know. And now the Yaris seems equally disappointing--my crappy old Ford Festiva (may it rest in pieces) was more pleasant to drive.

    Taking the new Yaris models, the '06 Corolla (5 months broken-in), and the '06 Xa and Xb over the same test area had me conclude that the Xa took the bumps the best. And right now this is my pet peeve.

    Thanks for your input. I really appreciate it, and welcome any assistance towards my imminent decision.
  • kato1kato1 Posts: 64
    Taking the new Yaris models, the '06 Corolla (5 months broken-in), and the '06 Xa and Xb over the same test area had me conclude that the Xa took the bumps the best. And right now this is my pet peeve.

    i guess it goes to show even ride quality is very subjective between two people. i used to drive a 2001 corolla--i believe the '99 would be of the same generation. to me the current generation has a smoother, bigger car feel than the '01. all the scions mentioned seemed to me to be very harsh compared to either the '01 or the current model.

    i think if you feel its enough of a problem and you really like the scion you could make the switch if you dont mind the financial hit. my one piece of advice would be: do not trade the corolla in unless you are in a big rush. youll do MUCH better selling it privately, but it will likely take some time as opposed to just trading it.

    if you are a person who drives your cars into the ground for 10 or 15 years, then you should enjoy what you drive.
  • The owner of the dealership I bought the Corolla from respects that I'm a repeat customer and is willing to credit back the car for max bucks (about $10-12K), as I'm going to get another car from him. He said he already made money from me, and is not trying to get more, that my satisfaction with his business would pay off in the future. He's being a mensch.

    And if luck holds I will drive the sucker into the ground. I wonder how long Scions will last anyway?
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    It's a Toyota ... Take care of it and you'll see 100-200K miles. You will likely tire of it before that though, human nature.
  • tyggertygger Posts: 59
    I would expect it to last ATLEAST 100-200k miles as most cars (esp. imports) last 100k w/ basic routine maintenance.
  • reddroverrreddroverr Posts: 509
    The owner of the dealership I bought the Corolla from respects that I'm a repeat customer and is willing to credit back the car for max bucks (about $10-12K),

    What did you pay, out the door, if I might ask?
  • About $12,900. That also was the unit's sale price, but I was given $1750 for my beat-up '99 Corolla (64,000 miles), so after tax/license/etc. it came to $12,900 out the door.
  • reddroverrreddroverr Posts: 509
    Ooo 64k is a baby for a Toyota. I sold my 1990 Celica a couple years ago with 240k on it..for not much less. I would have bought that car for 1750 in a heart beat.

    Oh well, at least it isn't a Hyundae you are trading in, they drop like a rock. But, keep your eyes open..dealers talk nice, but they are in business to make money.. so they probably aren't going to do you any great favors, even if they say they are.
  • That '99 Corolla was trouble from the start. Suspension problems which necessitated a couple repairs within the first few months, for example. Also, The thing required a lot of repairs after 50,000 miles. Call it a lemon. After 6 years I had enough.

    If the Echo had still been available, I'd have snapped it up. Which is why I was so interested in the Yaris. I wish I had been more impressed with the test drive. Handling was fine but the brakes didn't feel as good as the Corolla's, or the Xa's, which had terrific handling BTW. And the Yaris, particularly the liftback, didn't ride smoothly enough. I wish I had loved the Yaris, but I just couldn't.
  • spektrespektre Posts: 80
    It must've been in really bad shape, your Corolla. I see 96-98 Prizms selling for $3k minimum with nearly 100k miles... I would've bought that Corolla for $1750 in a heartbeat too. Whaddya wanna bet the dealer turns it around and puts it on their used lot for at least $4k?
  • w9cww9cw Posts: 888
    From experience with quite a number of makes, if you take care of any modern vehicle today, i.e. strict adherance to the regular scheduled maintenance in the Owner's Manual, practically all cars will go 150K without any problems.
  • Actually, I checked. The dealership prides itself on fast turnaround, and since the Corolla needed multiple repairs, new tires, body work, etc. they sold it to another dealer. Trust me, they did me a favor and it helped me bargain down the price of the new car. I recently read on another forum of reports of engine problems in that '99 model, and while I can't confirm the statement's veracity, it only makes me feel better that I unloaded the lemon.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,647
    I drove the Corolla before buying the Scion xA. Basically the idea of ride is subjective. I bought the xA because it has more personality, was a lot more fun to drive, and you can buy more accessories/improvements for it. I have added a rear sway bar, strut brace and sport muffler. Handling is superior to a Corolla if you like to fling a car around a bit.

    I don't really notice the higher RPM on the highway. I don't quite understand why this is a big deal for some folks, it's not bad under 80 mph.

    On the Corolla's side, you have a bit more power (not much really), lower rpm on the highway, and a rear trunk.

    Pricewise, a Corolla equipped comparable to what I bought costs about $700 more than an xA.

    I'll test drive a Yaris asap and let you all know what I think...
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    for 2006 and I was impressed by it. It is definitely a car to buy for "fun factor". I suspect the 2007 Toyota Yaris hatch and even the sedan will be the same. There's a red base Yaris sedan a mile from my house here sitting at the Toyota dealer screaming out for me to go test drive it tomorrow.

    They have several Corolla's, new and used, but I really loathe their general middle-of-the-road looks. So bland they're out of the running with me.

    Yeah, I can see the appeal of the xA and wanted one for a while but have my eyes firmly planted on the Yaris sedan because I want 4-doors and I like it's looks. I also like the new 2006 Rio LX and Rio5 from Kia. Great value once again from Kia.

    I'll report back here if/actually when I test drive the new Yaris sedan and let ya know what I think of it.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • sappysappy Posts: 1
    I drove both yaris's in automatics. The hatchback seems much smaller than the sedan & unfortunatley is only a two door. The only available hatchback models for the near future dont have the 60/40 split and there is a slight, maybye 2, inch bump when seats down. The yaris sedan is a beauty. Very pretty, looks like a smaller Camary, so if you want a fuel effecient sedan, that is it. Only problem is I prefer a hatchback and a manual transmission. So tried the xa, it comes with a lot more features than the yaris for the same price, but 3-4mpg less in gas and is ugly. Not sure what to do, settle for the sedan, which just seems bigger and definatley more chick magnetic or go for the xa. Do dogs mind lying in a sedan? I dont know if getting less car in the yaris hatch is worth the 3.5 mpg. over the xa.. Help me decide. Please!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    I have been in a similar decision process to yours. For me it ultimately comes down to the looks - I prefer those of the Yaris to the xA. But this means I will be waiting a while for the car I want to be available, as Toyota is building so few hatches.

    For your situation, if you need a car soon, you should probably just go for the xA - it is a great value in its own right, they are out there in plentiful supply and lots of colors, and of course they are highly customizable.

    Plus, if you are into the Yaris and xA, you should probably take a look at the base Accent and Fit models - they have about the same price and equipment level as the xA. All of a sudden, there are a lot of very decent car choices at the $14K price point!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

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