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2008/09 Subaru Impreza STI

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  • "I'm a bit dissapointed by Subaru for not having the twin-clutch system."

    The VW/Audi twin clutch tranny requires rather expensive servicing at 40k miles. The Mitsu TC-SST is not dealer serviceable other than oil, filter, and seals. If the unit requires service, it must be pulled and sent to Mitsubishi NA for "evaluation". That would be a show-stopper for me. I'll bet that an in warranty claim would take a bunch of time to resolve and an out of warranty repair would be a real financial whack in the pocket.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    That and the dual-clutch systems aren't really that proven yet. I don't know of any pedastrian ones being used in racing right now (Rally and F1 are NOT pedestrian systems).

    -mike
    Motorsports and Modifications Host
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The first-year STI had not stereo at all, because they figured people would just replace them anyway.

    Why not go aftermarket? You can get built-in NAV for half the price.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Aftermarket nav I think is going away as the newer ones offered are more integrated into the cars. I know in my next car I'm going factory or Garmin, but not an in-dash aftermarket stereo/navi for that reason.

    -mike
    Motorsports and Modifications Host
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    True, but I think automakers are doing this intentionally.

    We had a nice standard for stereo sizes - DIN and double-DIN.

    They are disappearing because automakers are greedy and want that money. They can fetch $2 grand for a NAV system, one which would sell for half that in the open market.

    Is the 08 Impreza double-DIN sized? It looks like it is.

    I know all but the base Legacy have integrated HVAC controls to make the swap nearly impossible, but what about the Impreza (and Forester)?

    PS I ordered a new Nuvi widescreen :shades:
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Which Nuvi? 7XX?

    -mike
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I think that the HVAC is integral in the new ones as well.

    Unfortunately the new stereos are giving us not only the radio/stereo but information about the car and a lot of them are using it for the HVAC setup as well. I think we will see more and more touch screens being using in the next few years to put stereo and HVAC systems together and simplify them in cars.

    Heck I don't really know of many new cars that have easily swappable stereos anymore.

    The Boating industry has really done a great thing where they are starting to standardize the size of the GPS openings so you can swap in a different one.

    I also would like to see gps power/mounts become more universal similar to a cig-lighter outlet or a USB connection, and then one could pop in their own GPS. I believe I saw that the Jeeps offer a garmin mount but not positive on that.

    -mike
    Motorsports and Modifications Host
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Nuvi 200W. It's the cheap one, just $200 delivered. No Canada maps is the catch, but I have 2 units and the other one has Canada. Plus we don't have any plans to go any time soon anyway.

    I figure the way I am I'll replace it in a couple of years, sell the used one.

    The new Nuvi replaces my old c320, which I sold to a friend for $100. It needed new maps, so instead of spending $75 for that, I spent a little more and traded up.

    I thought about the Costco special on the Nuvi 680, but it would be $480 plus tax, or about $510. It's better but I'll probably wait until prices drop, and replace my other unit, a c340, with that. I already have a buyer for that one, too.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,679
    Got a call from a dealer yesterday, saying they got their first shipment of STIs. So today I ventured over there to check them out.

    In a nutshell, I think they look great. Still wish it had better front seats, a moonroof option, and the AWP option. Other than that, it's pretty much spot IMO.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That makes sense to me - STI owners have always had to make some compromises for the more hard core performance that comes with it.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,524
    Commenting specifically on appearance, the new Impreza is finally popping up all over the place up here in Fairbanks. They are extremely sleek-lookin' cars. I like them very much, aside from the clear tail lights. Bleah. Those clear tails really wash out the overall look from the rear.
    2010 Subaru Forester, 2011 Ford Fiesta, 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup, 1974 Ford Pinto Wagon
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My wife and I saw a blue one the other day in a parking lot. I never disliked them, but it has still grown on me.

    She thought it was too small for her. She still wants a Forester.
  • vad1819vad1819 Posts: 309
    I got this one for rent on my business trip to Denver. I'm really disappointment with the performance this car. It's down shifting soon as a small hill. I have to keep in manual mode. I have VW passat 2.0 turbo, so it has almost same HP. VW is much much better car, it doesn't have this hesitating between gears. I have never drove previous mode, but I heard it was better.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The Passat has 200hp and it a much more expensive car. Maybe even $10 grand higher in price.

    The 2.5i you are driving is basically an economical compact, and would sell for around $16 grand.

    If you wanted to compare it to a VW, you should compare to the VW Golf 5 door hatch with the base 2.5l engine, which has the same 170hp as that Impreza. It would feel slow, too, compared to your turbo.

    The Passat compares more closely to a Legacy GT, and no offense, but a Legacy GT will blow that Passat out of the water.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Also the passat probably is FWD, so you are feeding turbo 200hp to 1 wheel instead of 4. Much less resistance.

    The Golf 5door may be a bit peppier for the same reason.

    -mike
    Motorsports and Modifications Host
  • dcm61dcm61 Posts: 1,467
    Also remember that the Passat is a turbo.

    Turbo + mile high city = :)

    NA + mile high city = :(
  • vad1819vad1819 Posts: 309
    So, you right. Why in world do you do AWD with 170 hp? Is it useless car. It's only good for city or town conditions. But if you want use in the mountains, it's absolutely hard to drive car.
    Also passat has more weight, so for 200hp it's shifting quite good in all conditions. In the city I have about 21 mpg and highway about 30 mpg, that even better then this little crappy car. I have on highway around Denver area about 25.8 mpg.
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,506
    So, you right. Why in world do you do AWD with 170 hp? It's only good for city or town conditions.

    And snow. And ice. And big rain. And gravel road. And little mud. And everwhere else where grip is more important than 0-60 drag race. It might sound like a heresy to you, but some people don't have to be fast and furious - some even don't need to be semi-quick. 10+ seconds or even more from 0 to 60 is still plenty for many. Obviously not you - but that's OK.

    And again - be careful before you brand something "crappy" by comparing it to items that cost thosands more. It's just not really fair. Of course those costing more will be better - that's just why you paid more. Take a spin in a little optioned Corolla/Matrix, Civic, or even fun to drive Mazda3 and then make a judgment about engine performance. Yes - it has worse mileage and power may be somewhat less than you would expect from 170 hp - but there are plenty of conditions when most of us would gladly trade 20-30 horses (or more) for better grip. That's Subaru's market. Believe it or not, Colorado is actually its kingdom. So many people can't be wrong, can they? If you really have to have power, try WRX that similarly priced to your Passat and then see if it is as fast as you think.

    I have been plenty complaining about WRX, but "crappy" 2.5i is really a steal for the price.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,679
    Had a chance today to test drive the '08 STI. What a sweet ride. Take my '06 WRX Limited, and then up it a few notches in terms of sharpness and speed, and that's what you've got. It's also more comfortable and quieter than my car, which is what I was looking to find out. One annoying item is that it has an upshift beep, which I hope can be turned off.

    As compared to the '08 WRX, it's a bit harder, but not to the point of it being negative. Again, everything is just sharper and happens faster. I think this could be a very rewarding car to drive.

    I really like what Subaru has done with this vehicle.

    The dealer also had a new '09 turbo Forester in stock, which I was tempted to drive too, but it was nearing closing time.

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Glad you liked it Bob! I felt it was fairly impressive when I drove it in Jan. I think a lot of the soft-talk about them is from folks who either haven't driven them or don't realize that smoother is faster. :)

    -mike
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,679
    The thing is the car is deceptively fast. Even my WRX is that way. You often don't realize how fast you're going. Unlike the outgoing STI, I think this could be a really good compromise for those who want a daily driver that offers a whole lot of fun and with some degree of comfort.

    Is it a Legacy GT from a comfort standpoint? No, but it was never intended to be that kind of vehicle. All it needs is the AWP and a moonroof option and it would be about perfect, I think. I'd also like to see an high-performance all-season tire as a no-charge option from the factory too, as not everyone is going to track this car. Yeah, I know you can always go aftermarket, but it would be cheaper to have the factory offer this.

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Yup I agree, that they should have a real good All Season tire. If you want to go to the track you can opt for your own summers, probably wider than they would give you stock anyway.

    -mike
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They offer the WRX for people like you, who want more power.

    170hp is certainly adequate, though. Car & Driver tested one last month, or was it 2 months ago, any how it did 0-60 in the high 7 second range for a 2.5i. The WRX pushes that to 5.something.

    Neither is slow.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Hilarious, Bob.

    Did you go with the intention of trying out a Forester, then decide on the STI test drive?
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,679
    What happened was I walked into the dealer hoping for a new Forester brochure (they're not out yet). The salesman said he had a new '09 XT out back. I then noticed they had 3 new STIs there too, so I mentioned I was interested in them too. He then said he would go get keys to both the STI and Forester.

    At that point I released I might be able to get to test drive the STI, as this is is the same dealer that let me test the '07 STI about a year ago. Sure enough, I asked for one, and he said okay.

    Apparently he saw me driving in with my WRX, plus the fact that what little hair I still have is gray, he figured I was pretty safe (or feeble). :) I also said I was more interested in seeing what it's like to "live with," as I already know it's fast.

    I can always get a test drive of a Forester, but STIs—as you know are next to impossible to test drive.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    True. Good call.

    Plus, it's not like you're actively shopping for a Forester right now, like we are.

    Go test one when you get a chance, I'm curious to hear what you think. Drive one that is similar to your wife's 2001, for comparison purposes, maybe an auto X premium like the one I tested.
  • vad1819vad1819 Posts: 309
    "170hp is certainly adequate, though. Car & Driver tested one last month, or was it 2 months ago, any how it did 0-60 in the high 7 second range for a 2.5i. The WRX pushes that to 5.something. "

    I don't believe in this numbers. Just go try for your self. It's slower then my Acadia. The shifting problem, that everyone talk about GM CUV, you will find in this car even bigger issue. I have rent this car, because I want it to buy this one. It's really disappointment how to perform this car on entering to highway. It's really dangerous, to keep up with fast moving traffic. Although I say good on ramp, because AWD system.
    The WRX is different animal and also different price.
    I have test drove new VW Jetta and it is much faster car and shifting normally. I will go with VW or will wait for jetta wagon.
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,506
    Jetta wagon should already be there. But I bet you will pay for it more than 17K. It may be one just for you.

    The speed impressions can be deceiving. I'm not saying yours are, but it is quite common one car appears to be slower or faster than it really is. It's all about gearing, engine/road noise, etc. BTW, WRX is not really different price than your Passat, is it (unless you have the real bottom base version)?

    I have driven Impreza, Forester and Outback as loaners (all 2.5i, all same engines, latter even heavier). They were certainly NOT dangerous entering highways for me (and my reference point is WRX - i.e. I drive much faster car every day). I start thinking either something was simply wrong with the car (chip was not compensating for the altitude, transmission had software problems or worse) or you have totally unreasonable expectations regarding acceleration.

    2012 BMW 328i wagon, manual and sports package. No. sold in the US: 1. Probably.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    2 things are at play here.

    1st, you probably drove an automatic. I'm pretty sure they tested a manual 5 speed.

    2nd, you're at a very high elevation, where the engine is making far less than the 170hp it would make at sea level.

    Just for reference, you should test drive a base Golf and then comment on how fast that would feel. That's a comparable model and would provide us with a useful reference.
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