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Honda Civic Hybrid IMA Problems

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  • satyemsatyem Posts: 5
    The videos I created are pretty small, the problem is that they want to hide everything behind software update. I even showed them one video where the SOC went from 5 to 8 in 30 seconds without any green charging bars. IMA Battery Charging
    Again their plain response "Software Update".
    I got two civic hybrid as part of rental last month, those cars did not have such issue. When I told them about that, they said those car wouldn't have the software update. :)
    Okay, I said I don't want the software update, their response "the new battery wont run without the s/w update". :)

    I have contacted Honda of America again and they said that they will me on Tuesday. Let's see.
  • soroushsoroush Posts: 1
    I have a 2003 HCH. 5 months ago the IMA battery light came on, I went to dealer and was told that IMA battery was overheated. I replaced the battery with a refurbished one. Everything was great for 2-3 months. But 2 weeks ago, the check engine, IMA and 12Vbattery lights came on and the hybrid battery was not charging (there were no drive-ability issue). I brought the car to auto zone and got the error codes: p1570 and p1600. I continued driving it for a while, until one day I couldn't start the car. I jump start the battery and suddenly both the IMA and 12V battery lights went off, the hybrid battery started to charge, and only the check engine light remained on. Then, I replaced the 12V battery with a new one, and for a week, the check engine light was gone too. The only issue was when I turned off the car, the battery gauge showed full charge. But next time I turned it on, (like after 12 - 15 hours) the charge dropped significantly and the IMA started charging even when before I run the car. 2 days ago, all 3 lights came back on again. I'm not sure if the problem is DC to DC convertor, or MCM or ...? Can anybody help plz?
  • xlntmpgxlntmpg Posts: 8
    soroush,
    You described the classic symptoms of a failing, and then completely failed hybrid battery.

    1) Refurbished Honda batteries
    Refurbished Honda batteries will generally not last. I would recommend you consider a new, third-party one. Definitely do not get one directly from the dealer. When I rebuild Honda batteries I use only new cells. For example, the pack I rebuilt this week uses cells that came off the assembly line in April.

    2) P1570
    This codes means there is low voltage on some of the hybrid battery. Because of this low voltage, the car will throw a code and eventually prevent you from using the hybrid battery. This includes assist, regen, and eventually use of the 12v battery, too.

    3) Your 12v battery died.
    Your car does not have an alternator; it has a dc/dc converter. If the hybrid battery is in poor health and shuts down, the dc/dc voltage converter will eventually shut down as well. Without the dc/dc converter, the 12v battery drain continually since the dc/dc converter is not charging back up. This draining happens especially quick on old, weak 12v batteries.

    This means all electronics functions( headlights, wipers, fans, speedometer etc. ) drain the 12v batteries until it dies. Then you'll need to charge up the 12v battery wil a battery charger every time you drive the car.

    3) Resetting the dash codes
    When you unhook the negative terminal, it often makes the car "forget" about the codes and clears the codes. It also makes the car "forget" how full or empty the hybrid battery was. But, eventually (sometimes right away) the car figures out there was a problem, and sets the codes again. Unhooking the negative terminal will not "fix" the problem of course. It just masks it for a while.

    You need to deal with the root cause of your problems: your refurbished battery has failed.

    If you are in the Madison, WI area feel free look me up and I can talk with you in person or on the phone about it.

    Eric Powers
    EV Powers
  • I am looking into getting a HCH (used probably 2006-2008) but now that I have read a few of these posts I am reconsidering. Got any advice for someone who has not yet purchased a HCH? Is it just a bad idea? My reason for getting the car is for good gas mileage and my goal is 40+ in the city. I dont drive incredibly fast but I also dont want to have to drive incredibly slow. Would I be better off looking into a prius or perhaps a Jetta/Golf TDI? I dont really want a diesel... Anyways, thanks for any advice you can give me.

    Have Fun ^_-
  • Stay clear. Go with Prius. Costs more but u get what u pay for. Well not me. I bought the hch and could've had a Prius. This car is a nightmare. Hch 2007 owner.
  • I also would recommend staying away from used. You'd have no idea what you're getting in terms of the state of the battery. Odds are against you, though.

    I'm not sure what the word is on the latest model of HCH that uses the lithium-ion battery. I'd check into that first.
  • Don't do it. Get a Prius around the same price range.
  • bosslessbossless Posts: 179
    It is a great little car, except for one big item: the battery fails prematurely. Unless you can get some iron clad assurance on the battery, like an extended warranty, stay clear.
  • gmanusmcgmanusmc SoCalPosts: 436
    I have to join the previous few posters - lucky for me, my 2009 was a 2 year lease and was still under warranty when they had to replace the hybrid battery. Needless to say, they got the car back at lease end. My two sons each bought used Prius's as commuter cars and they are running great. Look for a used Prius with as few miles as you can find - it will give you good value.

    Bill G
  • DON'T DO IT!! I bought my 06 HCH brand new and had a nasty go around with Honda a few months ago regarding the battery. Honestly, after how poorly and unethical Honda has behaved with the major issues the 06-08 HCH has had, I won't buy another Honda. I've been doing a lot of research on the TDI diesels and I'm about 98% sure that's my next car. The golf tdi is getting amazing reviews. A coworker has a 2011 golf tdi and gets right around 50 mpg. My HCH is NOWHERE near that. I average 32 mpg with my new battery. Guaranteed, you will not get 40+ mpg in an HCH. Once upon a time before Honda did the software update to extend the battery life beyond the warrenty it did. That all changed in 2010 for us with the HCH.
    Do. Not. Do. It!!!!
  • bosslessbossless Posts: 179
    You might also want to consider the VW Jetta hybrid. It is a terrific driving car and gets good milage. The Prius is the champ on milage and reliability, but this Jetta hybrid is just fun to drive (more than the TDI because of a different suspension) and I haven't heard of any reliability problems.
  • therosctherosc Posts: 2
    I would strongly advise you NOT to get a Honda Hybrid, especially a Civic! Just one major problem and you have lost any gains from good gas mileage. If you really want a hybrid do your homework and check out other makes and models. But I would highly recommend a Honda if you decide to forego a hybrid.
  • r_malikr_malik Posts: 1
    edited September 2013
    I have a 2008 civic hybrid, and I basically went to change the springs on the car and while doing so the front left axle fell out of place. I was able to get it back in fine, but to do so I had to take the brake caliper off the rotor. After I put everything back together the abs and brake light were on, but the brakes and everything else mechanically is working perfectly fine. However, now when coming to a stop the IMA system doesn't turn the engine off anymore, and when stopping the battering won't charge. Although when I'm coasting the battery does still charge. So I wanted to know if anyone has dealt with this, and if it's simply a reprogramming complication or something more? Any information or help would be great
  • I've noticed a drop in performance in my Honda Civic Hybrid recently so I brought it into the Honda dealership to see if there is something wrong with the hybrid battery. I bought my 2007 Honda Civic Hybrid in October 2007. In September 2010 I got the software update. It currently has 41,000 miles. The Honda service folks said that even though I'm still under warranty, they would charge me $109 simply for doing the diagnostic. I don't want to spend that money unless they end up replacing the battery, so I'm hoping I can get some feedback from other HCH drivers (especially anyone who has had their hybrid battery replaced under warranty or tried getting the hybrid battery replaced but was rejected).

    I've lived in Philadelphia since 2009. It's more or less averaged 41 mpg (based on actual measurement, not the indicator on the car). Since June this year it's averaged 35 mpg.

    Every time I turn off the car, it appears that the hybrid battery drains. (I use "drain" liberally simply to refer to the indicator level - I don't know how much power is actually in the battery.) It does not have to be overnight. It can be brief, like me going into the supermarket to buy groceries. When I turn on my car again, the hybrid battery either: (1) starts at 2 bars on the indicator; or (2) starts at a higher bar but drains to 2 bars within a few minutes. (Two bars appears to be the minimum for my indicator - it almost never goes below 2 bars.)

    So basically when I start my car after turning it off, it takes the hybrid battery some time to kick in. This can range, but usually it happens in the time span of 5 - 10 minutes. When the hybrid assist isn't working because the battery is at 2 bars, the indicator shows 2 - 3 green bars (indicating charging, like when you brake). Annoyingly, sometimes the hybrid battery doesn't kick in until I'm near my destination. Often times I don't have the assist when I'm trying to get on the freeway. And HCH drivers know that there's a big difference in performance when the car isn't using the hybrid battery. Occasionally, the battery service light comes on, but this only happens when I first start the car and the hybrid battery indicator is at 2 bars, and this indicator light always turns off within 2 minutes. This has happened a few times.

    Aside from starting the car, often times when I'm just driving, and the hybrid battery indicator is at full or near-full bars, the hybrid battery indicator will suddenly drop to 2 bars and I will lose the hybrid battery assist. I can generally tell when this will happen because I will press on the gas pedal, and I will feel that there is no assist. Moments later, the indicator will drop suddenly. After 5 - 10 minutes, the indicator will go back up to full bars and I will have the battery assist again.

    Tried to be as detailed as possible to see if I could get some thoughts from other HCH drivers! I would appreciate any feedback! I'm mostly wondering if this means my hybrid battery is dysfunctional to the point that Honda will actually replace it.
  • If the indicator light stays on, they would replace it without a fee. But even if it does not stay on, it should be recorded in the memory and thus warrant free replacement of the battery. It is up to the dealer as to whether they charge a diagnostic fee. A good dealer should waive the fee if the battery is faulty.
  • satyemsatyem Posts: 5
    It's better to call Honda customer care and explain them the problem, they will most probably call the dealership to get your car checked free of cost. I had a similar experience where the dealership was asking for $$ to do the diagnosis, however after calling Honda customer care they did it for free of cost.
  • I would love it if you could help me with the hybrid batteries because mine is giving the same symptoms as subscribe above
    My mask address is coldeb3@yahoo.com for more discussion. Thank you.
  • Hi all,

    I have a 2004 Honda Civic Hybrid and when it was at around 100+miles, the mechanics at Honda dealer in Sunnyvale, CA told me that I had to replace the IMA battery. That was in 2008 and the battery was going for $4000+. I didn't have the money to do it so I keep driving it... till now. My car is still running with the Engine light on, battery still charges when I go slow down or down hill, acceleration is not as it's used to be but my car has 318,560 miles on it now.

    I think Honda makes damn good reliable car ! I love my Honda civic Hybrid. Best investment Ever ! I know I am on borrowing time but no worry.. I have also purchased a upgrade Honda... Acura TSX ready for the switch.. any day ! =)
  • bosslessbossless Posts: 179
    It depleted the 12v battery. Have the 12v battery tested at the dealer or an auto parts place that sells battery. There is usually no charge.
  • I bought a new 2005 Honda Civic hybrid and like many others, had a great experience with the car for three years. At about 60,000 miles I began to have reduced mileage and poor acceleration. The car was Honda serviced at Metro Honda in Claremont every 5,000 miles. We complained, they tested and said it was okay. We eventually got the lights for the hybrid warning and engine trouble and were told that the hybrid battery warranty did not kick in until it was at 10%. Between 60000 and 90,000 we stumbled with low mileage and poor performance. No help from the dealer! We were now averaging 28-33 mpg. We began researching the cost of a replacement and learned that a REBUILT exchange was all that was available, with a LIMITED warranty. Honda wanted about $3500. for the replacement, even though it was supposedly under warranty for 150,00 miles in California.

    At about 108,000 miles, with the car looking like brand new and we are still searching replace new battery options, the Transmission suddenly went into neutral and never came out. We towed it to a Honda service center and learned that it had to be replaced. We had a 100,000 mile warranty on the car, which had just passed. COST: You guessed it $3000, for a REBUILT exchange from Honda. Neither Honda or the dealer accepted any responsibility even though these problems were design problems related to this model vehicle. It became unfeasible to tackle both the battery and transmission costs.

    The car's value now dropped to $1000., the amount Honda Metro would give us for the car "as is". So a car we took care of and serviced regularly was now worthless. The dealer and Honda Company were unresponsive to these problems, which were now ours.

    Lesson...you are on your own, the warranties don't count and neither the dealer or Honda will back their product!!
  • Don't buy anything Hybrid from Honda; even their newer models have not been tested out. I am owner of 2005 and have posted my headaches along with countless others. Save yourself the time of reading others' woes and trust us -- we've all been treated very poorly, lost too much $$$$, have 1/2 the car we originally purchased new or used, and Honda dealer or corporate just throw their hands up and then hold them out for the $ we pay.

    My son, the mechanic, is outraged that what amounts to a complete new engine if it were anything but a hybrid, is being replaced by this company over and over again. He points out that this is relatively new technology and needs time to work out the bugs. As it appears, there are plenty of bugs in the 1st through 4th generations -- if you were going to marry into this family, I would suggested you check out their rather shallow gene pool prior to saying "I do."

    Buyer beware is apt here - read Edmunds.com or check out another good mileage car that is rated here better than any of these vehicles. Best of luck.
  • I should have done more research before buying my HCH and I didn't, so that's on me but here we are.

    I have a 2005 and the hybrid battery was replaced in 2009. It just failed and I replaced it- note each had a life of four years.

    Does anyone know if the new hybrid batteries have any improvements that would give me any hope of this one lasting more than four years?

    It's very telling that the warranty on it is three years. The person at the dealership basically shrugged and ignored me.

    What a nightmare.
  • Unfortunately, my wonder would be why would a second one fail just as the first one? One would think that with all the hoopla and class action suits' publicity, Honda would have improved the replacements to give you more than 'another' four years of IMA life.

    My son is a mechanic and has given me an understanding of the situation like this: First of all, the IMA being replaced so often in so many vehicles is like so many engines needing to be replaced in so many vehicles. If we heard of that happening, we would be running away from any further purchases or replacement engines. Secondly, two engines (as he is referring to the importance of the IMA to your vehicle's performance) being replaced is almost unheard of in the car world. As he says, the hybrid is a great innovation that has not had time nor technical advances sufficient to call it reliable. We have learned that Honda has completely retrofitted the 2010 IMA due to the previous problems that they were quickly ready to blame on a host of driver errors. A complete retrofit still has no real guarantee.

    So, when I thought we needed a second IMA and was given a 'thumbs up' from the dealer service manager, my son said, "Go with that, Mom. He's just given you something to offer a buyer. Dealer service manager has given my IMA a clean bill of health. Use it to sell the car asap."

    Perhaps that is the answer for you -- use the new, reconditioned IMA as a selling point - at least there is some guarantee it will be covered under - right? For your sake, I hope so. Otherwise, I would expect that thing to go at any time. Get rid of it soon - one way or another. Take a bath on it with a dealer trade-in if you have to because you either will then or later when the second IMA goes out.

    Best of luck to you with whatever you choose to do.
  • 100% agree, Honda is cheating people. They think we are stupid. I have exactly the same issue. IMA light came on and the dealership promised to replace the battery, but first I had to upgrade the OS and wait for the IMA light to come back on. Then I realized that I was duped, it is clear that they have reworked the OS to minimize battery usage and hide the battery failure. Perhaps we don't have to follow their definition of failure that changes as they like. Someone should start a class action against them. It should be a simple matter of defining promised performance against actual performance and forced degradation of the battery. Someone may need to measure the open circuit voltage of the battery in full charge and discharge mode to quantify the state of charge. I own 2 Hondas and I used to drive them with pride, but I for one will never buy another Honda and I have been telling anyone who will listen about their con.
  • twlaketwlake Posts: 2

    Our 2008 Civic hybrid battery capacity started deteriorating at 30k miles. Honda as we all know now is not honorable. We purchased a battery from a company in KC for 1/2 the price and longer warranty and because of Honda's software patch our best gas is 46mpg which is still better than the 36 we were getting.

  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,958

    @twlake said: Our 2008 Civic hybrid battery capacity started deteriorating at 30k miles. Honda as we all know now is not honorable. We purchased a battery from a company in KC for 1/2 the price and longer warranty and because of Honda's software patch our best gas is 46mpg which is still better than the 36 we were getting.

    Longer warranty on the battery, interesting. An aftermarket had to come around for hybrid parts

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  • hondaproudhondaproud Uvalde, TexasPosts: 2

    Just want to report that I own a 06 Honda Civic Hybrid with over $460K miles and like many of you I too have had problems with the IMA battery and poor MPG. I've replaced the IMA battery at a cost of $2000 and have done numerous maintenance upgrades (ie. struts, coil, belt replacement, valve adjustment), just to keep the car running. Despite the low mpg (36-40), the vehicle itself has been very reliable and it has yet to leave me stranded anywhere. I am currently looking to make another major investment around $1000 to the transmission to correct a faulty startup clutch problem. After this major upgrade, I anticipate I'll get an additional $100K or more miles out of this car before the engine will literally go out on this car. If I'm lucky, I'm hoping I will hit the million mile mark within 3 to 4 years. I commute an average of $70K miles a year driving from home to work. I love the car and would buy another one if I had to do it all over again.

  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,958

    @hondaproud said: Just want to report that I own a 06 Honda Civic Hybrid with over $460K miles and like many of you I too have had problems with the IMA battery and poor MPG. I've replaced the IMA battery at a cost of $2000 and have done numerous maintenance upgrades (ie. struts, coil, belt replacement, valve adjustment), just to keep the car running. Despite the low mpg (36-40), the vehicle itself has been very reliable and it has yet to leave me stranded anywhere. I am currently looking to make another major investment around $1000 to the transmission to correct a faulty startup clutch problem. After this major upgrade, I anticipate I'll get an additional $100K or more miles out of this car before the engine will literally go out on this car. If I'm lucky, I'm hoping I will hit the million mile mark within 3 to 4 years. I commute an average of $70K miles a year driving from home to work. I love the car and would buy another one if I had to do it all over again.

    Just curious... what was your initial reason for buying the hybrid, and did it turn out the way you expected?

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  • hondaproudhondaproud Uvalde, TexasPosts: 2

    I initial reasons for buying the car was for reliability first and fuel econony second. My previous car was a 96 Honda Prelude Si which lasted me almost 10 years. In those 10 years I drove the car, I amassed approximately 325,000 miles before the engine went out. The prelude was the first Honda I ever owned and the first car I ever had that broke the 200,000 mile mark. But it was when I broke 300,000 miles that I knew I would never buy anything other than a Honda for the simple fact that Honda makes reliable cars. So when I bought my Civic I knew it would be no different and I was right. Yes, I know most people look at fuel economy but for me it's always been dependability and reliability. It's been almost 3 years that I have gone without a car payment and if you add that up it totals up to $17,000. I don't think I would be able to say this had I bought a Chevy, Ford, Dodge or Mazda.

  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,958

    I'm the same way. I've routinely driven my vehicles over 200,000 miles and those stretches when you don't have a car payment add up a LOT faster than mileage savings due to the car being a hybrid. I'll give you a gold star for taking care of your cars as well, since I know you are keeping up on oil changes, paying attention to how the car is running. All that easy stuff to do that will make them last that long! And welcome to the forums! Always nice to see new faces joining our community!

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