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Honda Civic Hybrid IMA Problems

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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,822
    That was a bit of sneaky advertising disguised as a customer endorsement.

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  • My posting was a bit confusing. I did not own the Prius. Only the lemon 2000 Honda Insight Hybrid. I read a letter in the Costco Magazine where a guy had been quoted $2,740 plus tax for a new battery for his 2001 Toyota Prius. He got the quote from the dealer and was going to think about it. He read in the Costco magazine about a program offering members a 15% discount on parts and services at select dealerships. He went to the Costco website, located a dealer and saved almost $430 on that battery.

    Just put this info out there in case it would benefit anyone - did not mean this info as an endorsement.

    My Honda Insight went through 6 batteries and the last failure was just a few months out of warranty. The excuses given me were that 1) I drove it too much or 2) I didn't drive it enough, but never that Honda had a problem. And looking back, I believe (couldn't prove it) that I was given reconditioned batteries each time.

    I would never buy another Honda hybrid. My transportation now is my 1985
    Honda Civic that I bought new. It was the dependable car all the time I owned the 2000 Honda Insight which was just over 10 years.
  • bosslessbossless Posts: 179
    I believe all the battery replacements are reconditioned, not new. They have a lot of failed ones to recondition.
  • I too have a 2003 Honda Hyrbrid and had to replace the battery pack at 50,000 miles at a cost of over $4000 in the summer of 2012. There went all my cost savings from fuel economy. When I first purchased the car I averaged around 42-45 mpg around town and that is now between 38-40 mpg. Since I have spent the money on a new reconditioned battery from the dealership I will drive it for another year and then get rid of it and buy an American car that gets just a good gas mileage as I get from my Honda and no battery pack to worry about in the future. I was told by the dealership that it was because I did not drive it enough is why the battery failed at such low mileage because of the recharging for my short drives.
  • vidarvidar Posts: 16
    I have read on this forum that the software upgrade doesn't exist for my car (2005), but know that I received at least 4 notices from Honda for the upgrade, and just found one of them when cleaning out my desk. Also received a notice three weeks ago for yet another software upgrade for something associated with the car. I can't remember the specifics, but it went in the trash. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

    I currently have 198k on the car, just replaced a front left wheel bearing, and recovered 3 mpg over a 500 mile trip odometer reset. Battery is still hanging in there, and no IMA problem since your assistance with troubleshooting the bad A/C relay. The battery does degrade a little faster with the hotter weather, but charges up quickly without hurting the mpg.

    With that said, when cooler weather gets here and no need for the A/C, I am expecting getting back to the listed 48 mpg as long as I stay off the interstate.
  • whitemthikerwhitemthiker Posts: 1
    edited October 2012
    have a 2005 Civic hybrid with over 180,000 mi. - Engine light on - told indicates hybrid battery should be replaced - cost $2,400. Car seems to be performing normally if anything gas mileage better than before 45-50 mph for mostly highway driving. Want car to last at least 2 more years (about 60,000 miles).
    What is likely to happen if i do not replace battery? Maintenance advisor couldn't or wouldn't tell what would happen. Should i replace it?
  • The issue that started this thread has to do with 2009's and it seems to be a common occurrence with 2009 AFTER the upgrade. My car used to avg. 40 to 40.5 mpg easy, now it consistently averages 36 to 37. Honda first said I needed to change the Air filter and the tires, did all that, did not change the mileage. The power issue and the mileage changed AFTER the update. So that is why this is called "The update that broke my car." Honda refuses to take responsibility for something they have messed up and hopefully it doesn't take someone dying because they have to pull out into freeway traffic and the car will only go 20 miles an hour with it floored. My car had great pick up and great mileage, I loved the car I bought. Now I have a car that is NOT THE CAR I PURCHASED, and Honda won't do anything. They are the ones that ruined it. People ask me all the time how I like my Hybrid, I tell them I used to love it, Honda ruined it, would never by one again. Thought about putting a sign in the window to warn people about buying a Honda Hybrid, or even a Honda at all from a company that treats its customers like this. You want a Hybrid, buy a Toyota. Note too that my 2003 gets better mileage than the 2009, esp. now. :lemon:
  • That does not sound "BUNK" to me. I live in Dallas Tx. My 07 Hybrid has completely shut down 4 times. Usually in rush hour traffic. I have barely missed 3 fatal accidents from this car and countless fender benders. I have taken the car to the dealership 5 times and every time they say they just need to reprogram something. Then 2 times apparently 2 different sensor needed to be replaced, and my car still runs crap, gets 29 MPG sometimes and has no acceleration. I want to sue Honda. I have 2 small children and this is a safety issue. I don't want to have to wait for a fatal car accident before something is done. Has anyone else had similar issues?

    Obviously there are plenty of who completely unhappy with our Hybrids. Why don't we do something about it!
  • A year after I was able to convince Honda that my IMA battery was bad and had it replaced, I am satisfied once again with my 2007 HCH. I am convinced that if you lost gas mileage or are unhappy after the software update, that you have a bad/weak IMA battery. There is nothing wrong with the software update other than it does use the IMA less. I am getting just as good gas mileage after the update as I did when the car was new (before the battery took a crap).
  • nyhondanyhonda Posts: 13
    I had a 2006 HCH and was vey happy with it the first 2 years..Then the IMA began failing and my milage slowly dropped. The dealership told me of a software update but warned my milage would go down..so I never allowed them to put the software flash in....until at 60,000 miles my ima failed completely. The dealership told me I was screwed because Honda would replace the battery only if the software flash was done. I called honda of america and was never treated so bad..it was all or nothing. I did finally get them to state 'honda will replace the battery but would void any further warranty". I had no choice then.. My car only had 60000 miles on it. My milage dropped to 37 from 43 on my yearly trip to Indianapolis. I traded it in in Feb for a 2011 Prius only after talking to many prius owners. I was giving 0% financing and ave 52.5 mpg. Honda owners only recourse is to get the word out. 60 minutes or dateline, etc...or as one fellow mentioned a sign on his car or even picket honda dealerships or honda of america.
  • bosslessbossless Posts: 179
    My experience is similar to yours. The update tries to preserve the battery by more aggressive charging especially when below four bars charge. If you have a weak battery that requires more charging you will get poor mileage. If your battery is strong you should not notice any difference in mileage with the update. Also, you need to drive more cautiously when the battery is below four bars to maintain good mileage. This should not happen often if your battery is good.
  • Ogre_GEVOgre_GEV Posts: 263
    "I have read on this forum that the software upgrade doesn't exist for my car (2005), but know that I received at least 4 notices from Honda for the upgrade, and just found one of them when cleaning out my desk."

    Yes, but they are not for the "Upgrade 2006-2008 MDM to 2009-2011 software". They are for a different update, and you will not experience the problems that the 2006+ Civics do. Your car is totally different than the 2006+ and actually is closer to the 2000-2006 Insight in design than to the 2006+ Civic. The name is the main thing they have in common. The earlier notices you got probably relate to your catalytic converter.
  • Ogre_GEVOgre_GEV Posts: 263
    Eventually, it will die. Driving the car DAILY will extend the life of your battery. Also, if your state has inspections, it will fail.

    There are at least two companies selling new battery packs for less than the refurbished (used) pack that the dealer quoted you.
  • Ogre_GEVOgre_GEV Posts: 263
    "I believe all the battery replacements are reconditioned, not new. They have a lot of failed ones to recondition."

    There is evidence to show that they started putting refurbs in in 2008. warranty batteries arter 2008 seem to last about 2 years.

    The warranty and the $2400 battery are refurbished, the $3000 battery is new old stock.
  • nyhondanyhonda Posts: 13
    The update does not do more aggressive charging of the battery...at least not directly....the update uses the battery much less which by definition means you will not get the same amount of boast therefore less gas image...<a href="keep in mind when my update was forced on me a reconditioned battery had been put in the SAME day....I LOST 6 MPG. Also keep in mind Honda does not sell a "real" hybrid card.....they sell an Eco boast as Gm now calls theirs.
  • MR SNAUMAN question .do you know any place who can do this kind a job for me i have a honda civic 2005 hybrid and the light IMA shows in my car i dont have money to expend 2000 in the battery
  • yeah I know a place in my locality...Where do you live enrique?
  • david296david296 Posts: 2
    edited December 2012
    Do I have an IMA battery problem? You can tell how much usable capacity the Insight's battery has by observing the range of its state of charge (SoC<img src="http://www.tea286.com/luosi/images/1.gif") gauge
  • That's it , I bought a Chevy Cruze Eco yesterday. The HCH is going out the door. No more Honda for me. :shades:
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