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  • Hey, Mouse409 -- thanks for the info. I know that the sound system in the Forester, if you get the upgrade packages, isn't that bad at all. It's got a standard 6-disc in-dash CD-changer, which I thought was nice.

    Later,
    burnsmr4
  • I've got about 27K on the clock as of this AM.

    The shimmy was present in much reduced form when I got the car. I didn't mention it because it was slight enough that I knew I'd get the famous, "No problem found." comment on the squawk sheet.

    It's strong enough now that the only time it's not present is when it's standing still or above 40mph.

    I'm going to take it in next week and see what happens (along with an oil change. etc..)

    Skip G
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    I agree, no more Pugmire!!!

    You mentioned your Cougar is missing the insulation from under the hood. My car has never had such insulation. Either the Cougar never came with it or they forgot to install it on my car.

    As far as getting rid of my Cougar: My lease runs out in about 18 months so that is the longest I will have my car. When my warranty runs out at 36,000 or next June, I may look into trading it in. We'll see!!!
  • So goeth the way of the Cougar ...

    Rattles, squeaks, hums, moans, creaks, clunks and yawns. These are the things that were on the minds of Cougar owners since day one. I remember way back, in 1998 when this whole CSG thing started, about a dozen people with the first delivery of cars were mentioning various first-year-glitches that we hoped would be fixed under warranty and fixed in the QC during production at the factory. Things we would normally expect in the category of car we purchased, and things we expected as owners of a middle-class manufacturer's product with an aging image, were not compensated for in treatment, nor build quality. I've had my share of dealer visits, it seemed like during the first year I had so many things fixed. However, after that first year, I really haven't seemed to have that many complaints. It's almost as if the car finally broke-in, and shed itself of all the new-model - well - "newness". The car was tighter than it had ever been, ran the best it ever had, and was still the car I purchased in 1998. It's the same way today, mind you, this is after a fare share of "bits-and-pieces" replacements and repairs. I get the oil changed at 5000 miles, just like I always have and put 89 octane fuel. It gets a bit of a tummy ache with 87. Anyway, the seats are just as comfy and with new tires it's back to traction limits, so I guess I'm the one with the good experience from Mercury and their Cougar.

    I really feel for you guys and gals that have had really mind-boggling, troublesome problems that should not have ever been passed through a QC, much less the drive from the factory floor to the truck/train it was delivered on. Sad, but true. I'm sorry for saying that, Mercury.

    The people who build the Cougar at the Flat Rock plant are fantastic folks, and I commend every one of them for what they do. It looks like a cool job to build cars for a living - even if it's cliche' to them. Mercury and Mazda share the line and the cars all run through mixed up. For every one Cougar built, there are two 626's. They run down the line like that, it's kind of neat to see, Cougar - 626 - 626 - Cougar.

    The problem, I believe, is not that they make a bad car there, only that they're more used to building 626's than Cougars, and they are simply better at it because of repitition.

    I know it costs more money - a whole lot more - but if the Cougar was built in an isolated facility, then there problably wouldn't be half the quality issues they deal with on a regular basis. I don't blame you for wanting to trade in your Cats, really. Everyone deserves a good car for their money, and if you haven't gotten your money's worth, then by all means, do what you have to do.

    I still believe they've got most, if not all, of the kinks out production, and the new ones are not like the old ones in that respect. I just wish they would help the media to get things right now and then. I picked up the new Motor Trend 2002-03 cars issue and read the blurb on the new Cougar:

    blah, blah, not much changed, blah blah, three engine choices (Hmmmm.) blah, I4, V6, SVT Contour engine in the upcoming Type S. blah blah (WHAT?!?!? They need some fact-checking before they print last year's blurb! We know the S has been cancelled since FEBRUARY!! How come they don't know this?)

    Anyway, it went something like that in my mind.

    The Subaru's are nice these days and seems to be the "car of choice" when ridding oneself of one's Cougar. :-) I know several people right now who've either bought the things or are in the process of buying the things. I've heard all good things.

    Gotta go, road-trip Friday, Happy Cougaring!
  • Hey, Stage,

    Have a safe trip. I, too, will be taking a road trip tomorrow with my Cougar. Even started preparing for the trip last night. Gave the car a good washing and waxing. Going to clean it out tonight.

    Oh...the trip? I'm traveling to my local CarMax. To get an appraisal on the vehicle. If it's $10K or higher (unlikely), the trip will have been totally worth it.

    Later,
    burnsmr4
  • malibumalibu Posts: 155
    Well my little kitty turns 1 year old tomorrow! She runs like a top, looks great and I still love it as much as the day I drove it home. She now gets to stay in the garage, after much prodding my hubby has put the boat in storage for the winter and cleaned up the garage. I have 18,800 miles on her and no problems. I guess I'm lucky (knocking on wood) I still miss the black one and think about it often. But not many people can say they had 2 new cougars in a 3 month period and not because of Lemon law. Hope everyone is hanging in there with all the turmoil in the world right now. Take care, be kind and drive safe.

    Lisa.
  • That's an interesting observation re: build quality of Cougars. Does anyone know the build quality of 626s? Hopefully, it's much better than Cougar's. Although, knock on wood, I've been very much satisfied with my Cat. Except for the seat replacement and a recall, I've had 15,000 trouble and rattle free miles so far.
  • Hi guys, just wondering if anyone has any experience trying to sell their Cougar.
    I'm in a situation where I moved overseas and had to leave my Cougar behind. I've been trying to sell it for quite some time without any luck. I'm fairly desperate to unload it at this point, and am offering what I believe is a fantastic price, and I'm just not getting calls. Very frustrating. I did get an offer that was retracted after the attack due to layoff fears. With the current car buying climate, I'm afraid I might just be stuck with it. I love the car, I just need the money and my relatives are tired of taking care of it. Is nobody buying these cars anymore?
  • I think the biggest reason you are having trouble selling your Cougar right now is due to the unknown factor of the economy. Tons of companies are in the dumps and laying off people. People just don't buy cars when they are unsure of the future. That is why GM and Ford are both offering 0.0% for 60 months on new vehicles.

    David
  • pluskin - where is the car located? I'm in northern Virginia. I've got a friend who will be car shopping at the end of October. She was hoping for new, but she likes my kitty and doesn't want to pay new-kitty prices.
  • Hey, Coolchick!

    I could deliver my car in North Carolina -- at the border (that sounds suspicious, don't it?). Your friend could have the car for a little more than dealer trade-in offer. If she wanted it.

    Of course, you know its sordid history, so you'll have to make that call. I'm probably fartin' in the wind even offering anyone in here my Cougar. Heh. :-)

    Later,
    burnsmr4
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    How was your trip to Carmax? Trade in value?
  • Hey, fish8,

    I went to CarMax in Norcross (?) last Saturday, mid-afternoon. Big mistake. It's like a friggin' mall! Hundreds of people all milling around, with just as many CarMax salespeople. A bit overwhelming, if you've never been. Nothing like a small dealership experience.

    [Shudder.]

    Anyway, the guy inspected the car (never looked inside), asked for mileage, why I'm selling it, etc., and took me inside to run numbers in their computer. Once he had me in the system for a mechanical/final appraisal, I found out how long I'd be waiting.

    1-2 hours?!

    I couldn't believe it. The appraisal is only supposed to take 15-20 minutes! I offered to come back during lunch sometime this week, but I've not had a chance to do so. I'm aiming to restart the process sometime next week.

    I'll keep you posted.

    Later,
    burnsmr4
  • The car is in Michigan, so it probably isn't going to help. But if anyone is interested anyway:
    1999, 31K miles, Dark Green, Tan Leather Interior, V6, Automatic, 16" Polished Alloy Rims, Sport Group, Convenience Group, Power Seats, Traction Control, Spoiler, etc. Basically everything but sunroof and side airbags. I'm asking $13K, but its certainly negotiable. Sounds like a good deal doesn't it?
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    13K sounds a little high to me. In todays current economy, you can probably get a loaded '01 or '02 Cougar for the high teens. Good luck though!
  • 13K might be a tad high, given current events. But its consistantly lower priced than all similar Cougars being advertised. And I've been trying to sell it for some time. Edmunds TMV is 12500 private party (down by $500 from where is was a month ago), and a little over $11K for trade in. I think I'm lowering my asking price to 12K, and I'll probably be hold firm at $11K.
    Would a new loaded Cougar be about $20K? Or are there massive incentives going on?
  • Hi,

    I posted on the Cougar Care chat but I then noticied this chat has had more activity recently so maybe I will get a response faster here, so to those of you that have seen this post twice, I am sorry and I am not spamming!
    This is now my second time posting.

    Here goes: I am considering purchasing a 99 V6 Cougar, 5spd., (ie, it has everything except ABS)from a one owner that has all the main. rec'ds and it has 33K on it,he is selling it due to he needs a 4 door car with more headroom in the backseat, he has no problems with the stereo/speakers, the only problems he has had are because of him (ie he hit a button on the stereo that locked him out, a twig fell into the tracks of the sunroof and he closed it).
    Anyway, he is asking 12,200 and we think we can neog. him down to 11.5, I am just wondering if everyone thinks this is a fair price for this car?

    I have owned alot of cars including three older fords (91 probe, 92 Mustang GT and a 86 Mustang GT), one newer (98 Probe) along with several foreign cars...two Honda Civic's (99Ex and a '00 SI), two Acura Integra GSR's (a 99 and a '00) and I currently have a 97 Mitsu Eclipse GS-T Conv which by the way is the only one I've had minor problems with (ie window off track, speakers blown on the left side,etc.)So Ford Products have not been unreliable to me...the 86 mustang ( my first car in 92, had over 120K on it when I traded it for the 91 Probe).

    Since I don't drive that much I don't plan on putting a ton of miles on the Cougar if I get it...I drive anywhere from 60-80 miles a week if that...I just drive fast ( I live in the Atlanta area, so it is a necessity to drive fast!).

    So I just want to get some thoughts on if the price is good and if this will turn out to be a good buy?

    Thanks!
  • gustafscgustafsc Posts: 361
    Sounds like a good deal to me!!!!

    Skip G.
  • Thanks,

    I posted in the other cougar chat about buying the Cougar and got some very good info as well as a list of potential problems and since alot of people on here have had trouble at with the dealerships not to mention repeated trouble with their cars, it has changed my mind on the Cougar.

    I have decided on a 95 Toyota Celica GT, it is quite a bit cheaper (7500) and it has considerably more mile 73K but, I know Toyo's have excellent reliability and quality ratings and I have had previous experience with them. I had a 92 Paseo that was still running just fine at 150K when I traded it in for my first Honda 3 years ago...
    Then my dad had a 86 toyo truck and it had well over 200K on it when my brother totaled it last year...
    Thank you for your response Skip, you just got to me too late...LOL.
  • badulahbadulah Posts: 961
    All:
    I'm sorry I have been out of the loop for the last few months. Things have been very crazy. Here is a brief summary:
    1. In training for my job (which I will no longer be at as of this coming Friday)
    2. Trade Center bombing: I worked a mass amount of over time at our mobile command center which was stationed in Hoboken and Jersey City.
    3. My Grandfather passed away (serious bummer).
    4. Spent a massive amount of time with my family because of the above.
    5. Searching for a new job.
    6. Took a short vacation to Canada with Kate for a few days to visit some friends in Toronto and to just get away from life for a while.

    I'm glad to see everyone is still here and doing well.

    Fish8:
    CONGRATS on the birth of your new child. That is something to be VERY happy about.

    drewdrew94:
    That sounds like a good deal. The Cougar is a very good car. I have had mine since November of 1998. It currently has over 54,000 miles on it and it is running very strong. I have had only minor problems with it (minus one self-inflected problem). I highly recommend it to anyone looking for a well rounded touring coupe. In its class, it is the best bang for the buck.

    I'm sorry to hear you went with the Toyota. It is considerably smaller and has less power. O-Well! I wish you and your new car good luck!!
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