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Toyota Tacoma Diesel?

kiwi79kiwi79 Posts: 10
From time to time people mention that a 'diesel' Tacoma would be on a lot of peoples' shopping list if it was available. I'd hand over the cash as soon as this option became a certainty!

Toyota has a new 4.5 litre V8 turbo diesel engine, variable vane turbocharger with intercooler, DOHC with 32 valves, common-rail direct injection. Fuel economy (L/100Km) – 11.9L. (meets strict Euro IV emission standards)

'....Toyota's first ever intercooled, turbo diesel V8 delivering a massive 430Nm @ 1200rpm of class-leading torque for more towing grunt and 151kW @ 3400rpm ....'

Time to make a big song and dance to get these Tacos into production!

I wait with anticipation to see wait response this post gets.
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  • rmerme Posts: 7
    Has anyone out there heard about a diesel coming out in any Toyota Truck? Dealer here in Ga. Says 2006 but haven't seen anything on truck or truck with diesel.
  • etoilebetoileb Posts: 34
    Nothing heard, but Toyota make the best truck diesel in the world. It is the 4.2L that is pretty much standard on its LC Amazon in Europe/Africa. It is proven, has low end torque and about 26 mpg combined when coupled with 5755lb chassis. What's more its CO2 emissions are about 60% of the equivalent petrol.

    If they dropped it in the Sequoia, I might shove aside my anti-SUV sentiment.

    :D
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    of diesel option in the 3/4 ton Tundra. And the 3/4 ton Tundra is still rumor stage also. Production start-up date for Toyota San Antonio where Tundra will be built is 2006. Tundra current build site is Indiana.
  • At this time we have fairly reliable confirmation of both. No word or indicators on a diesel Taco though, which is what I'm holding out for
  • fenris2fenris2 Posts: 31
    Dang a diesel taco would pretty much have me to the dealership in a flash. At least so long as it was a modern high performance diesel.
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    yep, it would steer me away from the Ridgeline.

    Anyone know what restrictions would be on it coming to CA? Larger pickups (1 ton) are allowed, but not sure about the lower end.

    John
  • thegriffonthegriffon Posts: 12
    Toyota's new truck diesels are the 4-cylinder KD-series, 2.5 and 3.0 L — not the best in class, but far more modern and economical than the old Land Cruiser I6. Any US diesel faces extremely tough 2007 emission regs, delaying introduction of the new GM-Isuzu 3.0 L 4-cyl in the Colorado. Among the best engines in the class are VM Motori's R280 used by Chrysler (161-174 hp), International's Powerstroke 3.0 (161-178 hp), new in South American Ford Rangers, and Nissan's YD25, offering 171 hp in European Pathfinders and the Navara (Frontier) pickup. All produce around 300 lb-ft of torque. Toyota's new 1KD-FTV 3.0 produces 161-168 hp and 280 lb-ft, but an updated version (needed to meet US emissions) with more hp is always possible. Toyota and GM/Isuzu engines run about 8.5 L/100 km (27.8 mpg), the Nissan 9.0 L/100 km (26 mpg) in midsize pickups. US regulations will probably require some form of urea injection (several solutions being offered by suppliers) and the introduction of low-sulfur fuel (refineries currently being upgraded). Ford is reportedly unhappy with the Powerstroke 6.0's reliability and International's response and is developing their own alternative to the 3.0 in the US.
  • although the I6 is a long evolved motor, I wouldnt call it out-dated. It works quite well in the european J100s. Would be perfect for a (read MY) current tundra. The Tundra diesel (07model) will likely be a V8 though, because of integration and noise advantages. Head design will probably borrow from the current 4cyl. With the updated 6.6 Duramax hitting the lots soon, there will be a new benchmark to beat for Toyota (and Nissan).
    What markets currently have a common rail version of the D-Max? All I've been able to find so far are the Pacific rim direct injection versions. Interested what sort of performance numbers that thing makes. I assume its simmilar to European Trooper applications. At this point Im ready to buy from the first company to offer me a midsize TD, as long as it isn't Ford or Chrysler. Isuzu/GM, Toyota or Nissan would all be acceptable, provided the cost penalty on the diesel isnt too steep. in Europe the D4D models are actually cheaper than the V6.
  • rmerme Posts: 7
    So what (if anything) are you hearing about the diesels coming to America? Talked with a Toyota rep two weeks ago and he said it won't happen until the 2007 model year is released Oct 06. Also said a new 3/4 ton truck will be out with what he thinks will be the diesel. Said he didn't think Tundra in it's current size would get a diesel. Are you hearing anything over there. The gas prices here are killing us so I look for Toyota to do anything that will increase mileage.

    Diesel Lover

    P.S. I have a VW diesel and I'm nuts about it. It's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
  • scrumscrum Posts: 12
    I owned a Nissan 4x4 V6 for 9 years.

    The first company the comes out with a mid-size pickup with a diesel engine that produces about 170 HP and 275 ft lbs of torque and gets about 25 City/32 Hwy MPG gets my business.

    I have no interest in a full-size. Just don't need something that big. I need a truck the can occasionally tow about 3000 lbs with a decent payload that is comfortable and econimically enough to take on a long trip.

    The 2006 Tacoma fits the bill except I drive too much to have something that averages in the teens for mileage.
  • my next car or truck will likely be a mid-size diesel just as you described.

    I would prefer it with independend rear suspension and AWD.

    Looks like the Ford SportTrac in 2007 may be the first to offer it all.

    Not a big Ford fan however.

    John
  • Hmmm- they already sell that one- minus diesel anyhow. The honda ridgeline ought to fit your bill. Conversely, for me, the carlike features, like IRS, AWD and such just wont cut it for something I plan on abusing for a few hundred thousand miles.
    G
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,890
    I understand where he is coming from. I came to Edmund's 6 years ago looking for a Ranger sized PU with a diesel engine. All the PU trucks sold in this country are gas hogs. The Ranger crewcabs sold in most of the world with a very nice 4 cylinder diesel get 45 MPG. I would imagine you would be lucky to get 16 MPG with the Honda Ridgeline, a full size PU truck. Plus it is $10k over priced for what it is. I would give Toyota another chance if they brought the Tacoma over with the D-Cat diesel. It should easily get 35 MPG
  • falcononefalconone Posts: 1,726
    The Ridgeline has won top honors against most of its competition. I expect it will get better than 16 MPG. One thing for certain is that it will be more reliable than the throwaway gm crap.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,890
    You are dreaming, the Ridgeline has had more trouble than the Diesel Liberty. And they are sitting on the lots unsold for months. Honda really screwed up with their first attempt at truck building. You just wish you had a GMC PU truck. Even a Toyota PU would be better than that Ridgeline. Who is their competition, that ugly Avalanche? That was another BIG disappointment in the truck world. You should buy one if you think they are so great. They are going at fire sale prices in CA. I think they are referred to as a hot tub on wheels.
  • I respectfully disagree. Most owners and reviewers are generally content with the Ridgeline. I have held off simply because I don't want a 20mpg vehicle, no matter how wonderful it rides and handles.

    The Subaru Baja, on the other hand, offers all that I want EXCEPT a cab that will fit 6'3" me.

    Whoever comes out with an efficient, mid size diesel pickup, will likely get my business. Or, if the Baja gets super-sized and still makes 26 mpg, I would go there too.

    The Ford SportTrac, or the Taco, with a diesel, will surely get a hard look.

    John
  • Falconone- don't strain your shoulder patting yourself on the back.

    The only real mistake honda made with the Ridgeline was to call it fullsize. Its less fullsize than the T100 (in my neighborhood these babies are still fetching a premium price) was. The ridgeline is the perfect midsize compromize for 90% of the market. ONly good argument I've heared was "How do you get to the spare tire if you got a load of gravel back there. If you took a survey, less than half of all pickup drivers could tell you the name of a place to get a load of gravel. But more about what we DO with our vehicles. Can I just survey those present. Just answer how you might use a Tacoma diesel, or similar vehicle (Frontier, Dakota, Ridgeline, Colorado, SportTrac): [my answers]
    Miles used for on road commuting: [30000]
    Biggest trailer that might end up behind it: [6000# car hauler]
    Number of kids you'd like to be able to strap in the back seat: [2]
    Months of snow/severe mud encountered each year: [3]
    Number of times current vehicle has gotten stuck: [2]
    Hours/miles spent monthly with vehicle fully loaded (people, stuff): [6/400]
    Other vehicles in household: [none]
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,832
    Some off-topic and/or personally-directed posts have been removed. This discussion is not about the Ridgeline - see the discussion title for conversation cues.

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  • A diesel Tacoma is exactly what I want, as a matter of fact the Toyota Hilux "Invincible" at the http://www.toyota.co.uk site is perfect with the exception that the steering wheel is on the wrong side of the truck and I can't get it in the USA...

    All of the domestic mid-size trucks (Canyon, Dakota, Ranger) only get a moderate increase in fuel economy over their full size brothers, so I don't know why I wouldn't just buy the full size version. The gas version of the Toyota Tacoma gets "decent" fuel economy, but nothing to write home about compared to the 26 MPG Hilux (UK Tacoma). I hope the rumors are true about us getting the diesel version in a year or two. Heck, I'd be tempted to get a Canyon/Colorado if it had an Izuzu-Duramax diesel engine, I like the styling, but am suspect about GM quality for the long haul (100k+ miles).

    The wife has a Diesel Jetta for her commute, and I really like the little diesel.
  • Check out also the Australian site (.com.au). That was the first place I saw the new "hilux". Interior looks much better, too. The OZ site lists highway milage for the diesel at a converted (from l/100km)28mpg, while they list the gasser at 19mpg (which is probably more acurate than the 22mpg EPA estimate listed here). Be careful about english fuel milage ratings: they use a bigger gallon than we do (imp.gal) so all else equl, their ratings will allways be a little higher. Odly enough, the diesel doesnt get the 5 and 6 speed transmissions over there, although the european LC120 Landcruiser (which shares its platform with the Tacoma/Hilux/4Runner/GX470) uses the 6spd man. and 5spd auto behind the diesel. What I'm wondering about lately is how they will price it, compared to the V6. The american market thus far accepts that diesels cost a premium, but there's no reason for it. A 4cyl Turbo diesel has only half the parts of a V6 VVTi motor, so it should not cost anymore.

    As for the competition, Nissan has their new frontier on sale in GB with a 2.5 liter TD and 178hp!
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Posts: 423
    Except the diesel marketing in the US is all hosed up right now. The government, car makers, oil industry, and the ag industry are all stuck on stupid. The opportunity for bio-fuel refineries and production is wide open. Whether you use soy, algae, or WVO I can’t help but think that production could be ramped up significantly to cut retail diesel price and home heating oil. Why the EPA can’t waiver the emissions for 2-3 years or put it on a sliding scale and continue to mandate ULSD is beyond me. I think you’d see thousands of mid size trucks and SUVs with diesels in 3 months if retail diesel dropped to 1.75 – 2.00 and emissions targets could be revamped. I applaud Minnesota for its B-5 mandate and Montana for its upcoming energy summit on coal to liquid. I know there are all kinds of problems with this simplistic view, but I don’t understand the lack of motivation on the bio industry to gain market share. Also I need a new truck this month not in 2007 or 2008.
  • amccomamccom Posts: 2
    The people in California do not deserve to be able to own a Toyota Diesel. They are the Nasis who started the unstoppable decline of freedom to drive what americans want to drive and own. They keep giving the EPA more and more authority to ruin the industry. The best thing that can happen is that they will never be able to buy or own Diesel Toyotas. Only the localities who have the guts to fight emissions inspections should be rewarded with diesel ownership. Also goofballs.. keep dreaming. When the Toyota dealers get their hands on these trucks... the premium will probably be at least 10 grand or more over list. Oh, yea, don't forget the charge for dealer preparation. Well, I drive an 1987 6.2 L chev diesel...get 24 solid mpg and it is a full size truck. Oppps it does not meet emission standards but I looose sleep every night about that. Diesel would have to get to about 20 dollars a gallon before it would pay to buy a $40,000.00 Toyota after the dealers lick you clock. Oh, I forget we should also include Washington and oregon states in that black list. All those people want to pay 10 bucks a gallon for fuel, after all they keep voting themselves increases in fuel charges. That is how they vote. And I must defend chevy diesels. Mine will outpull and out last any cheese [non-permissible content removed] four banger. P.S. My neighbor had one and get good at replacing bearings, fuel pumps and head gasgets. If you live in a cool climate buy a nice warm blanket for it too.
    VR
    amccom
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    HiLux Belize Diesel

    I'm about ready to fly to Belize, buy one of these and drive it to the USA;)
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    if I can't get a diesel engined car here in CA I will start driving my tractor to work. Hey, it will do 23 mph in a pinch and no one will dare to hit me.

    Folks outside CA think we are 100% liberal here but let me tell you, agriculture is the #1 industry in CA and it takes quite a few of us rednecks to make that happen.

    John
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,890
    You tell em. Only LA & SF vote Lib. The rest of the state is dragged down by that vocal minority. Keep those crops coming. Most people forget that CA feeds the nation. We need to start importing small diesel PU trucks to cut down on fossil fuel usage.
  • kowachedkowached Posts: 6
    The wife has been paying through the nose for diesel fuel since last Fall, and that is usually because diesel competes for refinery space with home heating oil around that time, but it usually comes down by now (March). A fellow TDI driver at work told me that he read an article where one of the big oil companies "restructured their fuel prices based on energy content", which is a really nice way of saying that they are going to continue to charge more money for diesel in the future even though it requires less refining than gasoline... If that is indeed the case, then paying the $1000-$5000 premium to initially purchase a diesel vehicle AND paying more per gallon at the pump AND the additional maintainance costs of diesel will make driving a diesel less and less economically viable. I guess we'll just have to sit tight and see.
  • once_for_allonce_for_all Posts: 1,640
    I hope the hypothesis is wrong.

    My expectation is that competition will lower the cost of the fuel. And, I think it is the gasoline engine that has more maintenance, not the diesel?

    John
  • shufflesshuffles Posts: 50
    You are lucky. You can get a Toyota diesel just across the southern border. Toyota sells Hilux diesel pickups there, as in most of the rest of the world. I have no idea if they are allowed in your state. Please let me know. :)
  • cressidacressida Posts: 1
    i'm currently a owner of a 86 cressida wagon with a 5mge motor straight axel rearwheel drive. i'm planning a trip to japan and an curious if there are any toyota desiel engines that would bolt up to my wagon (tranny). also any tips on using that motor for biodesiel use. thanks
  • jcm55jcm55 Posts: 1
    I wanted a diesel Toyota so bad that I built my own:

    http://vpizza.org/~jmeehan/toyotadiesel/
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