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Toyota Tacoma Diesel?

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,684
    Welcome to the Forum!

    I would take the Hilux diesel or Ranger Diesel over any small to mid sized PU sold in the USA. I know the Ranger diesel is a great truck. Either one would be a vast improvement over what we get sold here.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,684
    There are many good choices in the category you mention. I could overcome my dislike for Toyota with a V6 diesel Tacoma. Anything bigger would be overkill for my needs. Actually a 2.5L 4 cylinder diesel would be my preference. I want a PU that gets close to 40 MPG on the highway.
  • kiwi79kiwi79 Posts: 10
    I just thought the V8 would suit the more die-hard American. It has similar fuel consumption as the current 4.0L V6. Less HP, but bags more torque!
    A better option is the 3.0L EDI T/D (inline 4cyl) that is used in the Toyota Hilux (similar, but quite different to a Taco) for the Australasian/European markets. This unit has the following figures.
    3.0L T/D
    Power = 126kW @ 3600rpm (171HP)
    Torque = 343Nm @ 1400rpm
    Economy = Combined 8.5(L/100km) Approx. 34MPG
    This engine would be sufficient. The kerb weight of the Taco is 1855kgs vs 1865kgs for the Hilux. (D/cab S/bed)
    I'd say that Toyota would more than likely keep the V8 for the Tundra and use the 3.0L 4cyl for the Taco.

    Have a look at the link. Hilux add we used in New Zealand.

    http://www.toyota.co.uk/NGHilux/Hilux_Bulls.html
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    Honda has the jump. You may be able to get a 3.0 Ridgeline as early as the 09 model year.
  • kiwi79kiwi79 Posts: 10
    Sorry to say, but the Ridgline is one ugly vehicle!!!

    If ya gave one to me i'd sell it!!! I'm sure Honda will steal a few sales off Toyota if they release a diesel before Toyota do but, Tacomas are out selling the competition because they are a sharp looking truck!
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    I agree it's not handsome. Honda is not going to "steal a few sales off Toyota." Honda will take 30,000 to 40,000 units off Toyota.
  • dmuttdmutt Posts: 48
    The 3.0 litre diesel in the Tacoma is on my wish list. It would be my next vehicle. I really would like to have this option offered in the USA.
  • Toyota has been making an inline 4-cylinder diesel pickup called the Hi-Lux for about 25 years. It sells almost everywhere but the US. It is widely regarded as "The Indestructible Car." In the US, we get the Tacoma, which is different from the frame up and frankly, not as good. But that is where the diesel 4-Runners stem from.

    I currently own a 2006 Toyota Hi-Lux diesel and it's hands down the best truck I have ever owned. Toyota must have a grudge against the US for sending their crap to the US because the Hi-Lux is about as tough as a truck gets and it does it all and I only have the base 2WD model.
    If they6' stop with the insane stupidity of bringing over watered down models to the US they might actually sell more trucks.
    I won't buy a Toyota Hi=Lux until I see a Hi-Lux D4D name on it.
    I love it outside the US but they can keep the Tacoma and the Tundra. I would have bought a Hi-Lux when I get back in 6 months but not a chance with the Tacoma. Heck even the rear seat in the Tacoma is useless compared to the
    Hi-Lux. I can post some pics if anyone is interested.
  • mike91326mike91326 SoCalPosts: 245
    Since you currently own the Hi-Lux would you be able to bring it with you when you return to the states? I though there was a provision in the law that would let you bring in your personal car or truck.
  • Since you currently own the Hi-Lux would you be able to bring it with you when you return to the states? I though there was a provision in the law that would let you bring in your personal car or truck.

    There might be except Asian models have no heaters in them and it's a diesel and dealing with Customs in the Philippines well.... what can I say.....
    I will sell it before I leave and it's a shame as i's such a nice truck but I will need a heater. If I was going to bring a Hi-Lux to the US I would have bought the 3.0L diesel with the 4x4 option. Driving a 2WD truck in the snow isn't much fun.
    The Hi-Lux is what Toyota should have brought to the US.
    The difference is enough to matter enough that I would still buy a Chevy over a Toyota Tacoma or Tundra.
    Toyota really needs to stop special marketing to the US and sell us cars that can be had everywhere.
    The diesel is a charmer tho. This truck would easily last me 12 years here with regular maintainance. My mileage is a bit better this month as I had a few long drives with it. My wife drove it on what amounts to a highway here and our economy this month was about 28 mpg or 12km/l
    Keep in mind most of that is perpetual bumper to bumper traffic and slow roads and the A/C on all the time.
    So just a single 40 km or so round trip increased my economy by quite a bit.
    If Toyota released the diesel Hi-Lux in the US at a good price and made it as good as the overseas models. They sell a lot more trucks than they do now by quite a lot.
    This is the truck Americans wanting a smaller truck have been looking for but all you can buy in the US is Gas Hogs.
    The diesels are huge in the full size trucks and have a huge price premium.
    I guess Toyota never heard the quote
    "Fortune favors the bold."
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,684
    As long as Toyota can sell the foo foo trucks and SUVs to the gullible American they will not offer the real deal to US.
  • "Its fuel economy has been reported in British car magazines as 34 mpg (and yes, they use the same miles as we do for for any uncultured folks reading this)."

    Cultured folks know that the UK uses imperial gallons, which is about 1.2 US gallons.

    34 miles per imperial gallon is about 28 miles per US gallon.
  • As long as Toyota can sell the foo foo trucks and SUVs to the gullible American they will not offer the real deal to US.

    Yeah, so true but I wonder why they do it I mean is it they have no clue about the truck market only in the US? :sick:
    Why not use the HiLux in every market? Unless the name was already taken which I tend to doubt.
    Not much I can do but I'll bet that my truck running straight highway in the US will get at least 35mpg.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,684
    Toyota used to sell the Hilux in the USA. They even had a diesel version in the 1980s. Somehow the car makers thought that people that want a truck here want it with a lot of plastic crap. I for one am not buying them. I will keep buying older trucks with real steel fenders and bumpers. I've had it with all the new vehicles sold here. I was a GM truck fan. Now GM builds the same crap as Toyota, Ford and Nissan. You back into a loading dock and your plastic bumpers dent in and look bad. I watched a shopping cart roll into a new Camry. It was slow rolling and it dented in the front plastic. I'm not buying into it. Let the ignorant American waste their money. I will just spend mine on something substantial.
  • Toyota used to sell the Hilux in the USA. They even had a diesel version in the 1980s. Somehow the car makers thought that people that want a truck here want it with a lot of plastic crap. I for one am not buying them. I will keep buying older trucks with real steel fenders and bumpers.

    You would have a problem in the snowbelt states because no matter how well built your truck or car is it will rot out and keep rotting out due to the chemical that is put on the roads all winter. I do agree that cars today should be built a bit tougher but that's probably why they do so well in collision tests is because the car sacrifices itself to save you.
    I think once you get out of the 1970's you can't find anything worth buying that is tough and durable.
    Yes My Hi-Lux does have more plastic than older models. But at least it still has a ladder frame.
  • I'm driving an 05 Taco and I love it. I've got a little over 100k on it and very few problems. I hate to leave Toyota and will hold on to this one until there is a good diesel available. Because of the my size the Ford Ranger just won't do.

    I love my Tacoma, but lets get a good diesel to the market and then maybe Toyota will play catch up. Looks like my next truck won't be another Toyota, but if I'm lucky the one after that might be.
  • its not that toyota or any other car company prefers not to sell diesel cars in the usa it the fact that CA, NY have restrictions on diesel sales... when those states drop there diesel fobias then you will see more diesel cars in the usa... I have a 93 MB 2.5 turbo / 05 VW Passat TDI

    cant wait for more options but both are great...
  • nedzelnedzel Posts: 787
    I agree. The problem isn't Toyota. The problem is EPA and the CARB.
  • take a look at the jeep liberty 4 cylinder diesel made in italy these are the new engines gm will be using...

    the liberty gets up to 28 mpg and can out perform dodge 3.7 litre rug engine...
  • I have to say though, That Nissan does make a superior medium duty truck though. I have been operating tow trucks for 10 years and after driving the nissan cab overs for the last 5, I dont ever want to go back to the ford, gmc`s or dodge offerings. Nissan would give the big three a run for their money, if they paid as much attention to their personal trucks, as they do to their commercial offerings.
    Jm
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