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Subaru Crew - Future Models

bonnie_rickbonnie_rick Posts: 115
to discuss Subaru future models such as the 2001,
2002, etc. Share your "spy pics" and anything
you've heard here!

Bonnie Rick
Town Hall Community Manager, Edmunds.com
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Welcome Subaru fans!

    I'll get this started with some spy shots of the Impreza due this fall here in the US:

    http://www.egr.unlv.edu/~simon/2.5RS/edit/spy.html

    The 2001 Forester is already out, so check out SoA's page for more info:

    http://www.subaru.com/forester/index.html

    Finally, I can't wait to read about (and later drive) the new Boxer 6 engine in the upcoming LL Bean Outback. The New York show is this month, so keep your eyes peeled for that URL.

    Anyone have the URLs for the ST-X and Exiga concepts handy?

    -juice
  • miksmimiksmi Silver Spring, MDPosts: 1,246
    Also see new-impreza.

    Though not for US consumption, see the
    Impreza WRX S201 STi version. Listen to the beautiful sounds of the 300ps (221 kW) @ 6500rpm, 2.0l EJ20 motor. If you've got two speakers, you'll love the Doppler effect.

    Mike

    ..Mike

  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Great links, guys.

    Autoweek just restated the usual stuff in next Monday's New Car Issue.

    We'll get "220" hp in the new boxer 6, plus the new Impreza with the turbo (no date specified). They also said the ST-X is a maybe for MY2002.

    -juice
  • I work in the pipeline industry (read lots of 4wheel driving and impromptu vehicle testing) and there are a few changes I would like to see. First 17 inch wheels on a pick-up are useless, second with the sunroof and foldable back seats how well will this thing seal up for winter use.(I don't think I want the back door open at -40 C or F. Most important, can I fit my honda 4-wheeler in the back. I think if they put some 15 inch rims, and a bit longer box option and have it lifted up a bit this thing might really give the Tacoma,Dakota, Sonoma and Ranger a run for they're money. A little warn winch behind the bumper would really complete the package.

    I think this is a great idea I just hope that they don't just market it to the active gen-Xers a-la Xterra.

    Just my opinion

    Stephen
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They may be targeting a lighter duty user than you, though. The 4-wheeler may be a bit much for the payload it would offer.

    The 8.5" of clearance is a pretty good start for a stock vehicle, though I'm sure there will be mods for another 4" or so, plus tires.

    -juice
  • aling1aling1 Posts: 225
    image

    If it is, it looks great! I believe that this may be a computer enhanced picture though.

    Drew
  • ramonramon Posts: 825
    The front sure reminds me of the suzuki X90!
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Bob -- The new LL Bean OB with the H-6 is supposed to be unveiled at this show. Could it be the same thing?

    Drew -- The Japanese text is cut off on the bottom, but it looks like it says "New Impreza at the end of August".
  • aling1aling1 Posts: 225
    Yes, indeed. It does seem to indicate August. But, I wonder if it is only for Japan. BTW, this is supposed to be the new WRX, so we'll definitely not see this particular model in North America.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    I got an e-mail from SOA yesterday confirming this.

    Bob
  • lurker4lurker4 Posts: 19
    Bob- Did SoA mention that in addition to the LLB, they will offer another OB Limited with the H6, called the "VDC/VTD" or similar? This model is supposed to have the yaw sensing stability system *and* torsen-type differentials for an amazing combination of skid prevention and traction control. (Vehicle Dynamic Control/Variable Torque Distribution).

    I think with the new IIHS crash test rating, this super-sticky OB would be the overall safest car you can buy in the U.S. for less than $35K. (Plus it'll last 10+ years and probably be a hoot to drive, too.)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Keep your eyes peeled on Thursday. Edmunds should have coverage, as will others. Get those URLs!

    Impreza in August? Bummer, I had heard June, so we may only get it in the fall.

    I saw the Forester S w/Premium package for the first time in person, and as everyone says, the moonroof is HUUUUGE! you have no idea until you see it. It's twice as big as mine, and serves front and rear passengers.

    Overall it looks considerably better than my original '98 L model, I have to admit. Anyone else think the optional grille looks like it belongs on an Infiniti?

    -juice
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    I personally like the new optional grille. You can see a photo in the latest edition of Drive Magazine. That, in comination with the front brush gaurd, make the Forester look pretty slick. The grille actually reminds me more of what you see on Lincoln Navigators.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    I had originally heard, several months ago when I first found out about the LL Bean model, that the "Yaw control" would be part of the LL Bean package.

    I have not heard anything about another B-6. That would be a nice surprise though!

    Juice- I don't think well see the new Impreza (here in the USA) until next winter. I'm guessing February, and as a 2002 model.

    Bob
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    I agree: Infiniti and/or Navigator. My first reaction, when I saw it in the brochure was negative. Maybe when I see one in person I'll change my mind?

    Speaking of looks: the Forester S/Premium in black is the hot ticket, as far as I'm concerned.

    Bob
  • fudd2befudd2be Posts: 50
    Hi,

    Maybe I am behind the times, but I just received this month's Design News magazine and on page 30, is a picture of Chevy's (to be introduced in 2001, according to the article) 'Convert-a-Truck' which looks like the same concept as the Subaru STX!!! It is called the Avalanche. Anyone heard of this? Who copied who?? It looks like the Chevy is bigger - it claims to have a bed extendable from 5'3" to 8 feet, capable of carrying a 4'x8' sheet of plywood.

    http://www.manufacturing.net/magazine/dn/archives/current/new.html

    unfortunately, no picture in this link.

    The chevy link with neat stuff is:

    http://www.chevrolet.com/avalanche/index_flash.htm

    Personally I like Subaru's style better.

    -Howard
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Interesting. I wonder, however, if the STX is built on a car platform (like all other Subarus) or if it uses a ladder frame like you standard pickups.

    Anyone know?
  • barresa11barresa11 Posts: 277
    I believe that it's built off the wagon platform and stretched a bit. Check out the Subaru website for more info. They have a nice write up on the STX. www.Subaru.com.

    Stephen
  • sunlinersunliner Posts: 36
    ...SIA being Subaru-Isuzu Automotive in Lafayette, Indiana...the sole North American supplier of the Legacy, including the Outback -- and my employer.

    Anyway, we just got the announcement this morning from our CEO and VP's,

    The flat-6 is officially scheduled for production for the MY 2001 Outback Limited...which they say will include the stability control. Production will start this August.

    Also, the LL Bean Outback is a definite go...it's to be the official car of LL Bean, the first corporate sponsorship for Subaru, and the first endorsement like this for LL Bean. They're really psyched about it here.

    The ST-X is a stretched Legacy, BTW. Rumors are that if it's produced, it may be here as well. That'd make sense, since we do build the Legacy it's based on. But that's only a rumor.
  • aakersonaakerson Posts: 71
    Jut wanted to say thanks to all for the great updated info -- far better than simply watching Auto Week, or the auto buff books. It keeps me ahead of my dealer as well.
  • aling1aling1 Posts: 225
    Wow, flat-6 and stability control? That's excellent!! Now all I ask for is HID Xenon headlamps and 4 wheel traction control :-) I wonder if the vehicles with the new boxer-6 engine will have a tiptronic auto-manual tranny to exploit its higher performance capabilities. It seems only logical to me. These improvements will also no doubt make the Legacy/Outback better competitors to the VW Passat.

    I also wonder what extras the L.L Bean Outback will get over the standard Legacy. My guesses are special interior trim and probably some badging. It probably may also include some L.L Bean apparrel for the customer. The funny thing is that the L.L Bean model will be available for the Canadian market, and yet, I don't believe that we have any L.L. Bean stores here at all!

    Drew
  • sunlinersunliner Posts: 36
    I'll watch the announcement closer when it comes on again in about an hour. I think it gives a detail or two about it.

    Dunno about the automanual. The Limited is available with a 5-spd manual right now, so hopefully they'll continue that with the six. That'd be better than an automanual anyway, IMHO.
  • sunlinersunliner Posts: 36
    The Outback Limited with the flat-6 will be offered with "Vehicle Dynamic Control." I guess that's our name for that system.

    The only thing they said the LL Bean model will have is a special appearance package. There might be more they're just not telling us, but I dunno.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    From your post, it sounds like there will be two 6-cylinder Outbacks: a B-6 Outback Limited and a B-6 LL Bean Outback Special Edition. Am I correct?

    Bob
  • texsubarutexsubaru Posts: 242
    Well, I agree that the soft-top seems potentially drafty and not especially secure, but I'd hope that the "mid-gates" that Subaru, Chevy and others are suddenly promoting could *probably* be made to seal reasonably tight. And I guess it's more realistic to compare the STX to an old El Camino or Ranchero (or maybe a larger Brat without the jumpseats?) than to a full-sized pickup. Never drove an El Camino, so I don't know how practical they really were, but in my high school days (the late '70s), they were widely reputed as being quite swift since they were lighter than comparable-size cars, more aerodynamic than pickups and tended to have large engines.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,663
    the competition heats up...

    Check out Edmund's review of the NY Auto Show. The new Toyota Highland — which looks like a Forester on steriods - will be a tough match for the Forester - as will the new RAV4. The Highlander is reportedly to be priced very close to the Forester. I also like the production version of the Acura MDX. GM has also introduced a new Bravada and several upgraded GMCs.

    This morning the LL Bean B-6 Outback will be announced! It looks like a good year coming up!

    Bob
  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    The LL Bean H6 (Bob? B-6? H6 = horizontally opposed) and VDC are two seperate models. The info is now available on www.subaru.com, look in the NEWS section.

    They have a PDF that shows everything except fuel economy and MSRP.

    It is a 3.0L H6 making 212HP@6000rpm and 210lb-ft@4400rpm. Unfortunately both the LLB and VDC models are real porkers... 3700lbs (versus 3500 for a regular Outback Limited Wagon). With that kind of weight to haul around, I think the performance gain over a much lighter '99 OBW with the 2.5L will be blunted.

    -Colin
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    How is market share doing? This year people have been reaping the bennies of wall street's bull markets. Everyone is buying tons of stuff. Also their market share can only go up. Looking at your list, I'd get the audi anyday over the VDC, no offense... and I'm a subaru fan, now try to win over people in the suburbs who are fighting to have the best image and there is no way you'll sell the VDC or the LL Bean.

    Maybe it's just my microcosm of society where people will buy a crappy lexus over an excellent ford, or an acura over an outstanding subaru...

    -mike
  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Colin,

    FYI, I think Bob meant Boxer-6 by B-6.
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