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2009 BMW 3-Series



  • xman7xman7 Posts: 10
    Does anyone know if 'Training and MACO' ($560) comes from BMW charge to dealer on every car?
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,671
    Training is $180... that is on every US delivered BMW.

    MACO is a regional advertising charge, that varies by location.. Probably 90%-95% of dealers pay this. Averages $300-$500 in most locations.

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  • xman7xman7 Posts: 10
    Thanks, kyfdx.
  • xman7xman7 Posts: 10

    Do you know if 'Sales Tax $0 (BMW will cover sales tax for the month of December) ' applys to all 3 serise in purchase? I have just purchaseed my 328ci two days ago. But dealer didn't mention it to me at all. Please let me know as soon as you can. Thanks.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 27,671
    That's a Texas thing, not a BMW thing..

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  • espanespan Posts: 2
    I priced out both 2008 and 2009 328i on edmunds. I found out the calculation did not include any paint charge in the invoice for 2009 model, but added the charge (500) for the 2008 model. Did dealer actually pay for the paint charges? I need some help in this to give an offer to my dealer. Thanks.
  • I'd agree that price increase was too much for the 2009 with little in return and don't forget that was after a mid-year price increase. The removal of the Logic 7 from the base 335 without discounting was a nasty trick. Will they take the HID's next? I was considering waiting to buy a 2009 in 2009 and then I saw the price increase. I just couldn't see where I got much in return for the huge increase so I bought a 2008 335i late in the year, (i still see some available online) BMW unlike other high priced, poor value cars like MB for instance does make the best car in the class, the 335i so the high price is partially justified. imho

    general comment for discussion. since when do so many need these "all wheel drive" cars with its weight/mileage and other disadvantages to drive around in the winter. How about snow tires and sensible winter driving? Maybe even some added weighted over the rear axle.
  • jmarounjmaroun Posts: 139
    Yeah, an 09 335i just can't be justified over an 08.
    Anyone into buying now should consider all their options.
    Buying a used car these days REALLY makes sense!
    People in a crunch are even more desperate to sell than dealers!
    If I could, I'd seriously take this time to think outside the box.

    For example, you could cop a 2006 997 911S! :blush: for less than 60k right now!!! - - - - - ge_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&search_type=both&distance=0&address=9212- - - - - - 8&marketZipError=false&style_flag=2&body_style=COUPE&make=POR&model=911&make2=&s- - - - - - tart_year=2006&end_year=2010&min_price=&max_price=60000&seller_type=b&transmissi- - - - - - on=Manual&engine=&drive=2+wheel+drive&doors=Two+Door&fuel=&max_mileage=45000&col- - - - - - or=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&keywords_display=&only_photo=1&only_price=1&sort_t- - - - - - ype=priceDESC&body_code=2&certified=&advanced=y&highlightFirstMakeModel=&showZip- - - - - - Error=n&default_sort=priceDESC&awsp=false&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&systime=&rdm- - - - - - =1229711447623

    For those privelleged few immune to the insecurity of the day, it could be quite a Merry Christmas this year indeed! For the rest of us, thank goodness dreams are still free.

    Ho Ho Ho,

    San Diego
  • joesaojoesao Posts: 16
    What's the best way to find the invoice prices on the different packages of the 328i, and then figuring out the lease payments from there? I want to find out the bare minimum I could offer to various dealers in my area.... Thanks!
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    The BMW 3-series base price went up $700 for MY2009. For comparison, here are some other makes:

    The Mercedes C300 went up $1,300.
    The Audi A5 went up $800.
    The Infiniti G35/37 went up $1,000.
    The Lexus IS350 went up $300.
    The Cadillac CTS went up $2,230.
    The Volvo S60 went up $1,825.
    The Lincoln MKZ went up $1,715.
    The Saab 9-5 went up $695.

    Looks to me like the BMW is not out of line with their MY price increase. And your $700 actually gets you some nice stuff - not the least of which is the much improved front and rear styling.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,295
    Looks to me like the BMW is not out of line with their MY price increase. And your $700 actually gets you some nice stuff - not the least of which is the much improved front and rear styling.

    That's worth much more than $700; at the very least it ensures that your E90 will no longer be mistaken for an Infiniti G20:


    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • Sad news is RFTs are once again OEM on 3 series. BMW is losing sales over the problem. My advice, based on my personal experience: DON'T!

    2006 330xi best car I've ever driven EXCEPT FOR THE RUN FLATS! Have read multiple posts on many sites..nobody likes them, Sentiment for class action is there. Sadly, BMW NA has stuck its head in the sand, ignored customer pleas for resolution and worse--denies there is a problem. Further, I just replace with a new set of Continentals and noise persists.

    Good Luck all---just be aware!
  • I just got an offer for a 335i sedan, sports package, nav system, for 50,775. They dropped price by $2000 over the phone. The price is now $48,775. Do you think they will go even lower?
  • I think some are missing part of the point I was trying to make, The Logic 7 had become optional on the '09 335, therefore those who want it, pay an extra $875 MSRP!. The Base Price increase for a 335i Sedan is $800. And for those that want the sport package but don't want to pay extra for the now included shadowline trime will pay an additional $350. That totals $2025 increase in MSRP for the 2009. (Invoice around 91% of MSRP) I also got the free automatic - MSRP - $1260. I paid invoice for the '08 and sales tax is 8% so I saved $3,353.40 on the '08 versus a similarly equipped 2009 given that I could get the '09 at invoice. For me, the 2009's upgrades - the styling changes weren't worth the extra $$$$. Of course, it is true that you can't get exactly the same car off the dealer lot as you would order. I ended up giving up the HD radio at $350 for a Sirius Satellite Radio at $595 so I paid extra $225 invoice. I may have forgone the auto trans if I ordered by since it was free, I took it. Not many manuals on dealer lots.
  • jmarounjmaroun Posts: 139
    $48.7k???? Unless you mean including tax/registration ..the price is $4k too much

    09 335i Sedan with Sports Package, and Navigation: $43.8k on
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    09 335xi " " yadayada..: $44840 -> - - - - - - - - - - - e=false

    And these numbers are with no negotiation... meaning you can definately get them down by at least $500 to $1000.

    Even if they throw in Premium Package.. the price they've quoted you is more than $1.6k too much.

    Good Luck,

    San Diego
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    All manufacturers increase the price of options/packages along with base prices, so again, BMW is no different than any of the others.

    Yes, for Logic 7 fans, it's a bummer that BMW made it optional for 2009. Other than that though, everything else is standard industry practice. As for the "free automatic," I'm guessing that was a dealer move to get rid of a car that's been sitting on the lot for many moons - not a BMW promotion.

    From the info you provided, here's what I see. The car you would have ordered was a 2009 335i with MT, SP, Logic 7, and HD Radio. After destination charge, the 2009 has an invoice price of $40,780. The car you bought is a 2008 335i with Auto, SP, and Sirius. after destination, it had an invoice price of $39,160.

    So yeah, you spent $1,600 less by buying the 2008 off the lot (again, the "free" auto tranny doesn't count). You got a great car and saved some money, so that's good. The alternative would have been to spend the additional $1,600 and get the EXACT car you wanted and get a car that's one year newer (and has not accrued one year of depreciation).

    Again, every car company raises prices and rearranges options/packages with the new model year. For you it made sense to buy last years model, for others - maybe, maybe not.
  • The free auto tranny is a BMW NA offering only on the 2008's. It's on their website "* Be sure to ask your BMW center about adding an automatic transmission at no cost." Check it out link title. Unfortunately, some folks missed it or are missing it. So the final cost was actually below invoice. The difference between the 2008 335I and 2009 for the same equipment was as I posted $3,353.40 including the 8% sales tax. I'm very certain of my numbers. I didn't detail the other options - ZPP (Premium Package), 494 - Heated Seats, 2XA - Paddle Shifters, 6FL - iPod and USB Adapter along with the aforementioned ZSP (Sport Package), Steptronic, and Sirius Satellite Radio. I already mentioned that the car was very close to the one I would have ordered except Sirius vs. HD. In my case, I keep the cars for a long time, I have a 94 325 so the one year depreciation was not an important factor for me, though it would be for someone that trades their cars in after several years. People should make choices based on the facts and their personal preferences and situation. I made my choice. And there are a few 2008 335i's left. Cars are not flying off the dealer lots due to the recession and in the North, folks have been sold on the necessity of all wheel drive. It's funny the other night, a driver of poor skill even got an awd stuck in the road without a lot of snow on it. And when you are driving down the road, those awd and 4wd vehicles are in the ditch along with the 2wd cars.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Hmmm, I didn't know the free auto transmission was a BMW promotion - way to go. Given your preferences, I agree you did well choosing the 2008 model. Congrats on your new car.
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,295
    Cars are not flying off the dealer lots due to the recession and in the North, folks have been sold on the necessity of all wheel drive.

    Yes, the driving public has certainly been dumbed-down; I've even heard some poor imbeciles claim that they need AWD because they need to be able to drive in the rain.

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    We've had snow and ice on the roads here in Seattle for a week now and it's only reaffirmed my decision to NOT purchase an AWD car.

    Once the roads got slick, my wife and I did just fine with our FWD Volvo and all-season tires by simply slowing down, being smooth, and not trying to climb hills that are too steep.

    Now that we have inches and inches of snow on the streets (only major roads get plowed up here), the Volvo is completely trapped in the driveway and we're staying home (as we should). I feel sorry for all the people that bought a 330xi or G35X thinking they'd be able to drive year-round - only a vehicle with traction tires and ground clearance can go out right now.

    The M is in the garage and still shiny clean, hooked up to a battery tender...
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