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  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    or a Subaru or a umm...one of those two, actually.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    announcement that they will build the new i-MiEV bubble-car in hybrid form for the U.S. so now I can relax and know what my next car will be. Getting there is half the fun, though, and having driven and dug my '08 Lancer GTS for over 2 years now I know for sure that Mitsubishi builds a fine car.

    They are determined to build a great all-electric car and I believe they will lead the world in this specialized field. So buying a hybrid solves the range of miles problem I had if had bought an all-electric 2011 Mitsubishi i-MiEV. With an ICE connected there will be no problem with going the extra 350 miles. Or so.

    Perhaps I could make it to L.A., re-charge up there, get a Pink's hot dog, drive around, catch a Tragically Hip show, then drive to, say, Las Vegas. And re-charge up there and drive back to Tucson, re-charge up there. Then head home to Willcox, AZ, the home of Rex Allen, The Singing Cowboy. :blush:

    Willcox, Arizona, in the 20's and 30's, was the cattle gathering and shipping(not slaughtering, unless I'm sadly mistaken)point for the entire U.S., I've been told.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    about this new technology from EEStor and Zenn? Check this story out if you're interested. This seems to answer all of the electric car questions and solves their problems, only one must question ZENN's capabilities to actually merge all of this battery pack greatness in to a car that actually runs for us'all. Read up.

    http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1022286_ceo-of-zenn-motors-eestor-production- -storage-units-to-be-demonstrated-in-weeks-delivered-in-months

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • boaz47boaz47 Posts: 2,730
    Nissan is a competitor to the US not a partner. You don't give a competitor employee funds and you don't bail out a competitor. If Nissan needs money let them look to Japan where their company profits go. GM isn't getting bailed out by Japan nor was Chrysler. Why should we care about what happens to a Japanese company. It is a bit like saying paying protection to the city gang is good for me and my cousin. Maybe but it is still extortion. when Toyota went to the Japanese government and asked for 2 billion dollars their government said "no". Nissan had and has no right to look for relief of any kind for the US taxpayer. It is them against us in this economy. Helping out Nissan is taking a one world economy too far.
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Posts: 1,060
    I read the article with great interest, however; I will not get too excited until I see or read (with authentication) that it is not some type of scheme to get people to invest their money. I certainly think it would be a great break through if it is true.
    It seems to me that if it is so great...why haven't they gone more public with it or applied for some federal grant $$$??? The old saying "If it sounds too good to be true, then it is too good to be true" might apply here....but I hope not!!!
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    250 mile range and 10% the cost of Lithium ion batteries does sound promising.

    The ZENNCity electric car which would be the first vehicle to use these batteries has a 52kwh 250 mile range EESU that would only weigh 280 pounds.

    http://gm-volt.com/2009/07/20/qa-with-ian-clifford-ceo-of-zenn-motors-eestor-to-- publicly-prove-its-technology-imminently/

    $19,960 will get the current LA version delivered to San Diego.

    http://www.zenncars.com/

    http://www.zenncars.com/php/09monroney_label.php
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    gagrice. Your links make it sound pretty promising. However, like nortsr1, I remain somewhat sceptical of the technology actually working. I will continue studying it as it busts out, though. This news is interesting, huh?

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    When I first looked at their pricing I thought it was for the new EESTOR model. I don't think the ZENN is even approved in CA. They will have to add 1000 lbs of safety crappola and wonder why it only goes 5 miles on a charge.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    that's what I'm talkin' about, gagrice. We need real finished EV's and then have those applied to our individual states and regulations. Or should I say deduced to our regulations and state requirements. I won't plunk down $20 large ones for a rig that just lurches ahead on the on-ramps and is too heavy from the technology to get up to 70 fast enough, eh?

    EEStor needs to be watched and so does BYD and their e6 on the way here, the one that supposedly has a 249 mile range on one charge. They were throwing around $28,000 prices on the net about a year ago for the e6, but, BYD themselves have not released any pricing information for a long time. And BYD is stating 0-60 times of 8.0 seconds. Everything is new here, however, as has been pointed out, man made all-electrically-propelled automobiles over a hundred years ago from now. They were just jettisoned for the "superior" ICE propulsion method.

    EEStor may be on to something large here, though. I'm all mouse. :shades:

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    The exciting thing about the EESTOR Ultracapacitor is cost. If it is truly only 10% to 20% of Li-ion batteries per KWH, it will be a revolution for the auto industry. The fact that the materials all come from the US instead of less than friendly countries is also a plus. I guess we hide and watch.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    another real positive about the EEStor technology is the lesser weight involved to sludge everything up. That is more truly good news about this technology they've developed.

    I guess EEStor's CEO is also quite certain about the safety issues being solved-they're sealing in the batteries and are quite confident that there's no explosion possibilities from crashes. I am all mouse. :blush:

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    world all-electric car, the LEAF.

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    Nissan's new LEAF will use their proprietary 24 kwh laminate lithium ion battery pack and an 80 kw electric motor. Top speed will be 90 MPH and the car's driving range will be more than 100 miles.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • nortsr1nortsr1 Posts: 1,060
    I read that article at Autoblog.com and I believe it is coming to the USA sommetime in 2010???
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    it's coming to the U.S. in 2010 and is expected to cost what ICE cars cost that are in this class. But I read an article earlier today that stated that the Nissan LEAF may be offered as a lease-only arrangement at first in the U.S.

    http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1033845_2011-nissan-leaf-sales-in-u-s-may-be- -limited-to-leasing-only-until-global-launch-in-2012

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    that show an interest in "green" electric cars. Check this out, Arizona will be graced by Nissan's "testing" of our state's interest in how people drive and re-charge their all-electric drivetrained vehicles.

    http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1020094_nissan-and-ecotality-unite-to-build-- - - - - - ev-charging-corridor-in-arizona

    Do you realize what this means? It means that people like myself who are interested in the new Nissan LEAF and the Pininfarina-Bollore BlueCar and the Mitsubishi i-MiEV can drive to Tucson(it's 80 miles west of us here in Willcox, AZ)and re-charge at one of these re-charging stations that are going to be built and promoted to the hilt. And then drive back east the 80 miles to Willcox.

    The Nissan LEAF and the Mitsubishi i-MiEV have around 100 mile ranges. The Pininfarina-Bollore BlueCar's range is around 153 miles. OTOH-the new BYD e6 all-electric car will go 250 miles on one charge, in sheer range on one charge the BYD e6 trumps them all. I could get to Phoenix(200 miles NW of us)and re-charge there in order to get back to Willcox. If I have one of the lesser-ranged cars I would just have to stop off in Tucson(110 miles south of Phoenix)and re-charge up on my way east to Willcox.

    At any rate, this sound serious, this plan of theirs. They want to build in Arizona and I am going to avail myself of their services in order to go "green" and get off of foreign oil and the smell and feel of oil for once and for all. :shades:

    Whoo-hoo! "We're really doing it Harry!"-

    Jim Carrey, when Harry Dunne and Lloyd Christmas' plans to head west to Aspen were finally being realized. From the movie 'Dumb and Dumber', of course. :)

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,678
    Who knows, you may have yet another career in the EV business. I would be a bit nervous about heading to Tucson in an EV with just a 100 mile range with the temps over 100 degrees. That AC has to suck up a bunch of the energy. Maybe the top will all be solar panels. You could stop at a rest area have a two martini lunch and be recharged by the sun.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    I do know that the Pininfarina-Bollore BlueCar has solar panels on the front grille and on the rooftop. A buddy on a Kia website states that Pininfarina-Bollore will bring some BlueCars to Dallas in 2010 sometime, to test out the local yocal market. I may go check them out, though the Mrs. would need another more bonafide reason than that to travel several hundred miles eastward. Oh, we'll just see what I can finaggle here...to get there. :P

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,663
    that is purportedly the production-version of the car.

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    A couple of re-charging updates. Apparently there's a "quick" re-charger that one can purchase with the e6 that re-charges one to 50% battery capacity in only 10 minutes. And a full "quick" re-charge will be available in only one hour. Does anyone believe this will be true in real-life BYD usage?

    Also, not a serious negative, just a fact. The BYD e6 will weigh 4,400 pounds. And BYD is still claiming a range of 249 miles per charge for this rig. To say I'm not interested in this new all-electric car would be an outright lie, my car-crazy buddies. ;)

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    wow, this could be a hot seller.

    Nissan Leaf's promise: An affordable electric
    With incentives, Californians may pay as little as $20,280 for the new zero-emissions vehicle, due in December.


    The all-electric Nissan Leaf hatchback will cost $32,780 when it hits showrooms in December, the Japanese automaker said Tuesday.

    But government subsidies will make the price more attractive.

    There's a federal tax credit of $7,500 for electric vehicles. And Californians are eligible for an additional $5,000 rebate through the state Air Resources Board.

    That will lower the base price for the standard Leaf, in California, to $20,280.

    The Leaf will cost far less than the only other currently available pure-electric car on the market, the $109,000 Tesla Roadster, which is a sports car.

    Pricing for other upcoming electric cars -- including the Chevrolet Volt, also due later this year -- hasn't been revealed.

    To determine the Leaf's price, the company looked at other vehicles it felt customers would probably consider, including the gas-powered Honda Civic ($22,255) and hybrid Toyota Prius ($25,830), said Trisha Jung, director of EV marketing for Nissan North America.

    "Price is important. It's one of the favorite questions we've gotten over the past few months," Jung said. "We know consumers care about that."
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