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Hyundai Sonata vs Honda Accord

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  • The insurance company would favor Hyundai occupant detection system instead of the accord lack of having a occupant detection in 03 which deploys the passengers airbags, the pretensioners, the insurance company would only have to replace one instead of two or more airbags from the accord.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Would the insurance company favor being injured, over not being injured? I would think not.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    The 2003 Sonata is a design that debuted in 1998. The 2003 Accord was all-new that year. Not a fair comparison. And not the comparision we're talking about in this discussion.
  • Insurance cares more about making money than your life, the sonata has a acceptable rating for 1999, and good for the 2006
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    No, but I wonder why someone can't make a positive comment about the Sonata without someone saying "they work for Hyundai" or "they own stock in Hyundai" or something like that. I don't see you (or others) saying that about people who are Accord fans. Hey, maybe they just like the Accord! And maybe I just see some positive things in the Sonata, vs. the entirely negative picture some would paint.
  • i do not care i am talking about safety features.
  • Because they are still in the past about Hyundai, Accords are overrated, both are damn good cars in my opinion but only the sonata cost almost $5,000 less, you cannot please everyone backy.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Insurance cares more about making money than your life,

    Well, I care more about my life, than anything an Insurance company values. What do you think would cost more, airbags or doctor and hospital bills? Maybe airbags are worth more than your life :surprise: , but not mine.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    You can't have it both ways Backy. You love to compare 06 Sonata equipment with 06 Accord equipment (new design vs old design) but it's not fair when I compare the cars in 03? What's the difference? I'm sure you can come up with some lame excuse, so bring it on.
  • I was comparing the 1999 sonata to the 2003 accord, it is nothing wrong with it, in 2006 & 2007 in order to get ESP you had to get the V6, 2006 & 2007 Sonata Has ESP on all engines and trim levels, they should bring back the Value edition Accord that is main problem with Honda, 20,300 k is bit too much for a mid-size 4-cylinder car, i seen a accord EXL AT 4cylinder it was nice but it was $ 26,495 including shipping, the 4 cylinder Sonata limited comes with Automatic Transmission $24,020 including shipping before rebates, before the rebate you save almost $2,500 with the rebate you save nearly 3,500 bucks give me the sonata any day over the accord, the sonata looks better in my opinion.
  • Elroy - Why didn't the previous generation Accord include VSC on on trims, if Honda is so safety conscious? You can't state it was an "old design," as it was standard on the EX V6, but not on the lesser models - unlike Hyundai.

    Frankly, your constant Hyundai - and, every other brand - bashing, and Honda flag waving, is growing rather tiresome.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Elroy - Why didn't the previous generation Accord include VSC on on trims, if Honda is so safety conscious?

    Frankly I don't see the need for VSC, and my 03V6 doesn't have it. It's just extra cost for something I will probably never use.

    Frankly, your constant Hyundai - and, every other brand - bashing, and Honda flag waving, is growing rather tiresome.


    They bash, I bash back, simple as that. If you're tired, you should take a nap.
  • Anyone here who tries(unsuccessfuly) to downplay the Hyundai Sonata's influence on other midsized cars in its class including the Accord are obviously either badge biased(is that gucci?) or ignorant to the advancement in quality of the brand since the late 80's early 90's(when they used mitsubishi engines). No other company offered the things Hyundai offered STANDARD(key word), and company's such as Honda(I would name others but that would be off topic) are throwing in features that they would otherwise make you pay extra for just to stay competative.

    Not to say Honda doesn't make a better overall car than Hyundai and can't compete if they don't match Hyundai, i'm saying they are obviously losing customers(if not a Sonata than what would you buy) due to intelligent marketing, and more car for your money.

    It all works to the consumer's advantage. The ill fated stigma that some people still hold of Hyundai is what keeps the company giving us extra for a value price. Hyundai's presence in the market keeps companies such as Honda on its toes, trying not to lose much market share. Hyundai HAS solidified its position in the market, and are here to stay.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    I was comparing the 1999 sonata to the 2003 accord, it is nothing wrong with it, in 2006 & 2007 in order to get ESP you had to get the V6, 2006 & 2007 Sonata Has ESP on all engines and trim levels

    When you created this, you wanted to specifically compare the 08 versions of these cars. Do you want to change the subject?
  • I wouldn't say Hyundai as solidified it's position in the market and that others are loosing marketshare to them because every major competitor in this class has sales that are UP (exception Accord)

    The Altima and even the Camry in all its lacklusterness is still gaining sales and marketshare while the Sonata is pretty much remained a stagnent selling car overall. Fleet sales move the Sonata muscle and I think even with this new Accord its sales will go up too.

    I'm not saying the Sonata has not helped change the game and is not competitive, I am saying that the car has NOT YET solidified its place in the marketplace because had it done so, the car would sell better with fewer fleets. It set a standard (for about a year) for safety features and still sets the standards for overall value, but the car doesn't stand out for much else. It has no more "Pizazz" IMO than the Camry. I also do not believe that the Sonata is as refined as the Accord or new Altima overall, but that with it's discounts its a much better value than those cars. The Camry, to me, is a differnt story all together. If any car in this class is overrated, its the Camry. The only Camry of substance to me is the Camry SE or the Hybrid.

    I do believe that this Sonata is the basic foundation for better Sonatas to come and that maybe by the NEXT generation perception overall will have changed so much that the car will be considered more by other consumers. Most folks who I have talked to only consider the Sonata BECAUSE of its value pricing compared to say the CamCordTima. If the Sonata were priced anywhere near it's immediate rivals, it wouldn't sell as well.

    Us enthusiast here are very well informed, but many other car buyers still have a problem with the Hyundai name which is ignorant on their part for lack of research but it's a reality because if not Hyundai could have done the same thing Nissan did with the previous generation Altima when it was released, price it around the same price or HIGHER than the immediate competition. Altimas back in 2003 retailed for higher than the comparable Accord, even after the Accord was redesigned.

    Hyundai perception is changing but the Sonata has not quite Solidified its position in this marketplace because had it done so the car would be selling better and to fewer fleets with fewer discounts on an already price competitve (before discounts) vehicle.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    The difference is that when I brought up the previous-genertion Accord (re its door pulls, braking, and a test drive I did), it was to compare it to the 2008 Accord moreso than the current Sonata. And except for the door pulls (which was a positive comment about the 2003-7 Accord), I was replying to a thread someone else started. So tell you what, I won't mention the previous-generation Accord (or Sonata) here if you don't, OK? Even if it's to praise the old Accord.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Some facts to consider:

    U.S. Sonata sales in 2004 (last year for prior generation): 104,000

    U.S. sales of current-generation Sonata (started selling in April 2005) as of 10/31/05: 109,512 (about 7 months' sales)

    U.S. sales for Sonata in February 2005 (right before current generation debuted): 9,762 (58% increase over Feb 2004)

    U.S. sales for Sonata in February 2006 (current generation): 13,741 (41% increase over Feb 2005)

    U.S. sales for Sonata in February 2007: 12,137

    So although Sonata sales are down some in 2007 compared to 2006, the Sonata is selling in considerably higher volumes than the previous generation did, despite the fact it costs considerably more than the previous generation. The Sonata has gained sales, and market share, over the life of its current generation. The Accord has lost sales, and share. Maybe the 2008 Accord will change that trend.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Looks like the 2008 Sonata has a broad base of appeal: top choice for both college students and (from an earlier post) retirees:

    http://www.bizjournals.com/birmingham/stories/2007/08/20/daily23.html?ana=from_r- ss

    The Accord was not on either list. So does that mean it appeals to mostly middle-aged people?

    As for lists, both the Accord and Sonata made C/D's list of top 10 safest cars under $25k, while the Accord (2007) made the top 10 quickest cars under $20k (won't be eligible for 2008 however).
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Numbers you could use to understand ups and downs on Sonata's sales... (Mid year registration numbers, counted from Oct 1 thru March 31, and since you included February sales, they will be covered in these). Fleet sales for Sonata:
    2005 - 26.5%
    2006 - 50.1% (Explains a big increase over 2005)
    2007 - 27.6% (Explains decrease from 2006)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Yes, that helps explain the raw numbers. So with these percentages included, it shakes out like this:

    Feb. 2005: About 7150 Sonatas (2005 models) sold to individuals.

    Feb. 2007: About 8790 Sonatas (current generation) sold to individuals, or about 23% increase from two years before.

    Now that the new Accord is out and other new cars are coming (Malibu, Mazda6), I think Sonata sales may be held down some until the mid-gen refresh this spring.
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