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Hyundai Sonata vs Honda Accord

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  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    Not so much care as curious. When I see statements like "Will I ever buy another brand of car? Not until an Accord fails to meet my expectations," it just strikes me as a sure-fire way to limit your exposure to lots of great cars being sold today.

    I'm a "free spirit," with no brand loyalty. Because of this I've been able to experience a wide variety of different makes and models. I've done the American 4WD SUV thing, the German turbocharged pocket rocket thing, the Korean basic transportation thing, and the Japanese reliability thing.

    Makes me wonder what I haven't done yet... ;)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Makes me wonder what I haven't done yet...

    THe Japanese Reliability/Pocket Rocket Combo? (Civic Si, etc). The Hybrid thing. The AWD car thing (Subaru, etc). There's still others you haven't stated! Others are cross-cultural (Japanese AWD Sedan, etc). :)
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "But if you "blindly" purchase the same brand every time without test driving other makes, how are you to know?"

    It's not worth the amount of money my time would cost me to find something "better" for my needs. For example, I have my sights set on the 335, I have no intention of test driving the G37 to find out if it actually is "better" and cheaper, I just don't care enough.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "Who would have thought a few years ago that a Hyundai would be seen by many people, including the consensus automotive press, as strong competition for the Accord?"

    I view it as weak competition, and since it's my dollars I get to vote with my dollars. Sales numbers of Accord vs Sonota don't lie. You are not going to get people who are extremely satisified with Accord to move elsewhere.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,728
    Hyundai got at least one buyer I know (me), someone who was an extremely satisfied Honda owner, to move elsewhere. I can't believe I'm the only one who would ever consider such a move.

    In a static world, if you are satisfied with what you have, why change? But it's not a static world, is it? For example, you have your sights set on a 335. Do you own a 335 now? I am guessing you don't. So why not stick with what you have? Do you or did you ever own an Accord? If so, why even consider changing to a different brand, e.g. BMW?
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    Too many choices, not enough lifetime. ;)

    As far as hybrids, I actually test drove the Prius. It was, well, in a word, weird. I've always liked Subies...thought about the new Impreza but it doesn't come with a factory-installed power sunroof (a must for me).

    Who knows what will draw my attention in 3 or 4 years when I'm ready to trade in my Lancer. A diesel-powered Honda Accord sounds mighty tempting. But then I'd have to break my tradition of never buying the same make twice. :)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Yeah, but an Accord powered by a different substance should change things enough, right? A Hybrid Civic would be less "wierd" than a Prius, I'd think. :)
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    I wouldn't view a 335 and an Accord/Sonota as competition. I view that as "trading up". That is the buyer satisified with their Accord, who wants to move up into the luxury segment or require a different vehicle due to lifes' circumstances.

    "But it's not a static world, is it?"

    Brand loyalty is a great thing, isn't it? I'm not trying to be pejorative, but it seems the people who bought Accord have already voted with their dollars. Whether you or I agree with their reasons, the sales are there to prove Honda is doing something right. Not to take anything away from Hyundai. It's not a car for me.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,728
    But a curious comment coming from someone who is not brand loyal (e.g. TL vs. 335).

    A 335 is better than an Accurd or Sonata in some ways, but not in others. The one thing for sure is that it is different. So you are a prime example of someone who is looking for something different than an Accurd for your next car.

    I on the other hand am not brand-loyal either. Last time I checked, no automaker gives me anything for being brand loyal. Well, that's not really true... I can get a loyalty rebate sometimes. Otherwise I see no advantage buying in the same brand again and again without evaluating the alternatives. So, no, I don't see brand loyalty as a great thing, except for the salespeople from that brand.

    If I used historical sales figures to tell me what to buy, I'd have to seriously consider the Camry, and even the Taurus. Both have been, or were, the top-selling cars in their class for many years. I don't care much for either of them.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I am brand loyal, there is no doubt. Family members have owned other brands of midsize cars (including a last gen Camry, 06 Optima, 01 Malibu, 02 Altima), and I have had a few rentals myself (06 Impala, 05 Sebring, 06 Monte Carlo). None of these cars made me want to trade my Accord for them. Having the last Accord for 12 years, and having very few problems with it, gave me a sense of trust with Honda. I feel I can count on them to build a solid car. Sure other cars may be just as reliable, but how am I to know this? From a test drive, with the salesman sitting in the passenger seat. I certainly will not gain the confidence I have in the Accord simply with a test drive in another car. Do I want to gamble with over $20k dollars on another brand? I like my odds with an Accord. If the 03 Accord turns into a "Lemon", I will definitely shop around next time. But if this car does what I expect it to for the 10 or more years I plan to own it, 9 out of 10 the next car will also be an Accord. You can say no car company has earned your loyalty, but so far (16 years) these two cars have earned mine. Seems every time I read a comparison in some car magazine, they only re-enforce my choice, and give me no real reasons to try something else. If I bought a new car every 3-5 years, maybe I would be more flexible, but until an Accord fails me, I'm sticking with a winner. :D
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,728
    You know, if I had rented an Impala, Sebring, and Monte Carlo and held those up to the Accord, it would be no contest for the Accord for me too! :)

    One option you (and others) have, rather than just doing a short test-drive with a sales rep beside you, is to rent other cars for a day or more. Most mid-sized cars, including Sonata (but not Accord), can be rented pretty easily. I think that's a big help in evaluating cars.

    So, here's a question for you: besides your '03 Accord turning into a "lemon" (and let's leave transmission recalls out of this), what if anything could get you to consider another car, specifically the Sonata, next time? What if, for example, the next-gen Sonata in 2010 or so is ranked by at least some of the automotive press as being superior to the Accord (let's forget about the Edmunds' comparo that did just that, for now). Would that be enough for you to give it a try? Or, what?
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    If my 03 V6 automatic transmission gives out on me at any point during my ownership, and I have to pay thousands for a replacement, that would be enough to change my choice. It would not take much, so Honda has to keep up it's end of the deal. They treat me right, and I'll return the favor. I spent less than $1000 (on repairs) on my last Accord, so if I can get close to that, I'll be satisfied.

    As far as the magazines, they will not make up my mind for me, I just like to hear other's opinions on the cars.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    (and let's leave transmission recalls out of this),

    Let's not. The transmission recall has been done on my Accord. My transmission has not missed a beat at 50k miles, and I don't expect it to. From what I've seen on this and other forums there is no "high failure rate" for these transmissions since the recall. So the fix has obviously worked.

    What if, for example, the next-gen Sonata in 2010 or so is ranked by at least some of the automotive press as being superior to the Accord (let's forget about the Edmunds' comparo that did just that, for now). Would that be enough for you to give it a try? Or, what?


    There is no comparison against the V6 Accord, that the Sonata won. Let's get that clear.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,728
    Correct, it was a like-priced Accord and Sonata. The V6 Accord didn't fit under the price cap for the comparo, so an I4 Accord was tested vs. the V6 Sonata.

    I must have remembered incorrectly, I thought it was you who told us before that you had the recall done and also had later transmission trouble on the Accord, but I must be thinking of someone else.
  • bhmr59bhmr59 Posts: 1,598
    You're correct, Edmunds' comparison did not include a V6 Accord. It was a comparison of the Sonata, Accord and Camry at a certain price range. IIRC, it was $22K AND was based upon MSRP. "Real world" pricing would have made a greater difference.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    I'm not surprised that Sonata can only compete on price. For those of us who are willing to spend more, seem to have more choices. :)
  • jlindhjlindh Posts: 282
    Yes, let's compare fairly. The Sonata and the Accord are not in the same price class. If you want to compare an Accord to a similarly priced Hyundai, you'd have to compare the Accord to an Azera. That's no comparison at all.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    You're right. The Accord still wins.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,728
    I'm not so sure about that. For around the $21k that I've seen Azeras start at in real-world prices (before T&L), you get a very luxurious, classy-looking (IMO), powerful, smooth, quiet, roomy, well-equipped sedan. What would you be able to get for $21k in a 2008 Accord right now? A base four-banger with automatic. If you're real lucky, maybe you can get alloys with that. jlindh was right... no comparison at all.

    Which is why we have this comparison of Accord vs. Sonata. And, when compared when comparably priced, the Sonata handlily (as in "no contest") bested the Accord in the last professional comparo done in that fashion. Those who think the Accord is, on equal dollars terms, heads and tails above the Sonata should take a good look at Edmunds.com's comparo of the like-priced Accord and Sonata. And also the C/D and Motor Trend long-term wrap-ups of the 2006 Sonata LX. I think they open some eyes... if minds are open also.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Which would only prove people aren't crazy about Azera either. If cars are being heavily discounted, there has to be a good reason. You may not see the reasons, but buyers like me do.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,728
    Yes, you're right. Accords have been heavily discounted for at least the past 2 years. Meaning I guess they are crap cars, basically worthless?
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    But aren't they still "thousands of dollars" more than Hyundais' going price? ;)
  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    The 2009 Sonata will be available around March for Sale.

    Some of the highlights include.
    *Azera lookin front end
    *Horsepower increase for both 4cyl and V6
    *Improved fuel economy for both engines
    *5 speed auto trans for 4cyl
    *Blue background dashboard lights
    *Improved handling and ride
    *Specific sport handling for SE model
    *Redone interior featuring, more storage,better finish,less plastic looking
    *USB port and i-pod jack
    *Exhaust tuned for performance sound


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  • slamtazslamtaz Posts: 55
    Yes, you're right. Accords have been heavily discounted for at least the past 2 years. Meaning I guess they are crap cars, basically worthless?

    But aren't they still "thousands of dollars" more than Hyundais' going price?

    I believe that Honda needs to discount their prices heavily because Hyundai, among others, is eating up their share of the pie due to relatively exhorbitant price of the former. But still, Honda can't lower their price the same as Hyundai because they believe that the vertical "H" gives them the right to rip more money from their customers.

    And yes, it's already been discussed before that, most are paying more for the "H" not so much because of the supposed superior quality but more so because of the perceived "good will" that the "H" stand for.

    I used to be a Honda fanboi, i can still afford it but why do i have to pay more when i can get something else for thousands $$$ less and yet satisfies my needs even better!!! :shades:

    So, for me, its good-bye to the "H" and welcome to the "H"
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,728
    Depends how you look at it. One way to look at it is that Accord and Sonata are about the same price. But equipment levels are much different, e.g. at similar prices, V6 in Sonata vs. I4 in Accord, 17" Euroflange alloys on Sonata vs. 16" steelies with plastic covers on Accord, woodgrain or carbon fiber trim on Sonata vs. black plastic on Accord, leather on Sonata vs. cloth on Accord, and so on.
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Why wasn't I hearing this from you when we were discussing TCO? Want to go back there now?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,728
    When TCO is discussed, I think it's most fair to compare cars with similar equipment levels. But if you don't agree, let's compare the TCO of a base Sonata GLS 5MT, no options, to the Accord EX-L V6 5AT with navigation.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Backy, one question. Do you own a Sonata? Do you drive one every day, pay for the gas, and keep up the maintenance on it? Don't you drive an Elantra?
  • flc2006flc2006 Posts: 81
    I do not have nothing against Honda in my opinion they are too expensive for what you get,i love my sonata it feels like im driving a Lexus for almost half the price i cannot wait to put remote start on my car.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    i love my sonata it feels like im driving a Lexus for almost half the price

    That is some kind of imagination you have there. How can you drive with your eyes closed? No way to mistake the Sonata's interior for a Lexus.

    i cannot wait to put remote start on my car.


    May I ask why you want remote start? It's not a good idea to leave your engine idling for a long time.
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