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Hyundai Sonata vs Honda Accord



  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Im telling the truth a honda dealer is going to charge you about a thousand or more i live in san francisco, where everything is expensive, even for my 1998 sonata they wanted almost thousand dollars including the waterpump, i cannot stand cars with timing belts they are disposable.

    Ok, well they aren't going to charge ME a thousand or more. I have gotten two quotes from places less than two miles from my home. One was $590, one was $490 (and for $525 they'd do all the belts on top of the water pump and timing belt).
  • flc2006flc2006 Posts: 81
    You drive a 4 cylinder that is why it is that cheap, V6 with timing belts require more work than a four cylinder, if you drive more than 90,000 you must also replace the timing belt tensioner, tensioners are only designed to last 120,000 miles.
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    Will I ever buy another brand of car? Not until an Accord fails to meet my expectations.

    Wow. I'm totally opposite. I've never bought the same make of car since I've been driving. I started with a Ford Focus, then Mazda 323, Acura Integra, Chevrolet Blazer, Honda Civic, Volkswagen GTI, Hyundai Elantra, and finally now a 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer. Each car has its strengths and weaknesses. I like to see how different manufacturers flesh out their idea of vehicle development.

    To me, life is too short to buy the same thing over and over again. What's the saying...variety is the spice of life! :D
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Well I buy my cars new, and keep them for at least 10 years. It costs less than buying a new or used car every two or three years. I don't know how many years it took for you to go through all those cars, but over 10 years I would guess they ended up costing more than one Accord. The two Accords I bought were a 92 and an 03, which are three generations apart. The same quality, but hardly the "same car". I've also owned a few different other cars and trucks during that time, and that's enough variety for me. I don't get rid of a car I like very much, just to have some variety. I doubt I would have traded my Accord for any of the cars you mentioned above.
  • I kinda agree, although if looks and style are decent, that would make it even better.

    I have a Hyundai Elantra 2005 and I think it looks okay but not the most beautiful car out there. Wish I waited for the Sonata. Anyhow, it drives better than my 2003 Civic ever could wish for. And it had no problems where as my civic had multiple electrical failures.

    I have to admit, the Elantra eats a little more gas than my civic did, but then again, my civic I drove mostly hwy miles so who knows.

    So yeah, function and then style are at the top of my list. If i wanted to be flashy, I wouldn't even think about Hyundai or Honda. I just want to drive around in a decent looking car that will reliably will get me to where I want to go. Very simple really...
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    All my cars were bought new. There was a mistake in my list, the Ford Focus was actually a Ford Escort (duh! I know why the car was completely forgetable!). I started buying cars in 1984 and kept them anywhere from 2 to 5.5 years each. So 8 cars over the course of 23 years. Everything from a 2-door coupe, 3-door hatchback, 4-door sedan, and 5-door hatchback to an SUV! Who knows, maybe a pickup truck is in my future. ;)

    The Hyundai was the one I kept the longest. I test drove the Sonata thinking it would be my next car but didn't want something that big. The Lancer came out of nowhere, and I was impressed with its styling and features.

    Let me ask you something. When you get ready to trade in your Accord, will you test drive other makes or go straight to the Honda dealership and say "Here's my old Accord, I want a new one." I guess I have trouble understanding that way of thinking. :confuse:
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "Here's my old Accord, I want a new one." I guess I have trouble understanding that way of thinking."

    I typically jump around purchasing cars. Nissan is the only manufacturer to have three cars in a row purchased. While they were definitely okay, I would not get another Nissan or for that matter my first Infiniti.

    But I completely understand the philosophy of "stick with a winner". There is a reason Accord owners "blindly" purchase a new Accord. While some at edmunds may not understand the "stick with a winner" philosophy or even assign it another "name", it seems Honda does the right thing for it's customers. Sales numbers don't lie.
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    I guess my confusion comes from the possibility that there could now be a "better" car out there than a Honda based on your current needs or wants. But if you "blindly" purchase the same brand every time without test driving other makes, how are you to know?

    If you test drive other makes and still come back to the Honda, that's all well and good. I have no problem with that. I just don't see the logic in ignoring other cars from the outset simply because they are not built by Honda (or Nissan, or Chevy, or Audi, get the idea).
  • robertsmxrobertsmx Posts: 5,525
    Why do you care? Some people like to stay within their comfort zone. If something works, don’t mess with it. Then there are some people like me, who get opportunities to drive a variety of cars for various reasons. At this very moment, besides my two cars (98 Accord and 06 TL), I have 07 Sonata (rental) parked on the drive way which will be exchanged for another tomorrow morning. Would I need to test drive another Sonata? No. I have plenty of seat time on it. In fact, I have probably put about 15K miles on last two generations of Sonata. This doesn’t work with all cars though. Accords are extremely rare to find at rental lots so to experience one, test driving at a dealership becomes a necessity. This would be the same reason I didn’t feel the need to “test drive” a Camry or Taurus back in Fall 97. But I did consider a variety of cars.

    However, with my experience over the years, I’m leaning more towards the first category, where I may have found my comfort zone. So, my list is going to be much smaller than it was ten years ago. In fact, there may not be a list at all. I could find better use for my time. :)

    And it is not a case of "simply (not) built by Honda". It is more about what other manufacturers have delivered in the past and in the present. This is where brand loyalty steps in, and for very good reasons.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    If someone wants to stay in their "comfort zone" and stick to one brand, or one model, that's their choice. The downside of that approach is that it doesn't account for the major changes that are taking place in the automotive world. Who would have thought a few years ago that a Hyundai would be seen by many people, including the consensus automotive press, as strong competition for the Accord? If someone last drove a Sonata in, say, 2004, they would have an outdated view of how the Sonata stacks up against the Accord. That's why I think it's worth the time to take a look at all current choices before buying a car, especially if it will be kept for many years. Otherwise, yuou really don't know if something else would meet your needs, and maybe for a lot less money.

    I am glad I broke from my Japanese-car "comfort zone" several years ago and took a look at other options, including the Focus and Elantra, before making the automatic choice for a Civic. I didn't like some of the things I saw in the Focus, but I found to my surprise that I liked the Elantra more than the Civic, not considering the price differential. But with the price difference, it was a really easy decision. Did it take some of my time? Sure. Most of it was in research on forums like this, auto mags, etc. But I had to go out and drive the cars, so that took a few hours total. Time well spent, IMO, given that I drove that car for 5-1/2 years (and it's still in my family) and it led to my purchasing a 2nd Elantra a few years later, and that car will be in the family for at least 10 years.

    If someone doesn't have the time or desire to check out the options, OK, that's their business. For me, buying a car is too big a purchase to not take some time to make the best choice possible for me, at that time, with my money.
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    Not so much care as curious. When I see statements like "Will I ever buy another brand of car? Not until an Accord fails to meet my expectations," it just strikes me as a sure-fire way to limit your exposure to lots of great cars being sold today.

    I'm a "free spirit," with no brand loyalty. Because of this I've been able to experience a wide variety of different makes and models. I've done the American 4WD SUV thing, the German turbocharged pocket rocket thing, the Korean basic transportation thing, and the Japanese reliability thing.

    Makes me wonder what I haven't done yet... ;)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Makes me wonder what I haven't done yet...

    THe Japanese Reliability/Pocket Rocket Combo? (Civic Si, etc). The Hybrid thing. The AWD car thing (Subaru, etc). There's still others you haven't stated! Others are cross-cultural (Japanese AWD Sedan, etc). :)
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "But if you "blindly" purchase the same brand every time without test driving other makes, how are you to know?"

    It's not worth the amount of money my time would cost me to find something "better" for my needs. For example, I have my sights set on the 335, I have no intention of test driving the G37 to find out if it actually is "better" and cheaper, I just don't care enough.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    "Who would have thought a few years ago that a Hyundai would be seen by many people, including the consensus automotive press, as strong competition for the Accord?"

    I view it as weak competition, and since it's my dollars I get to vote with my dollars. Sales numbers of Accord vs Sonota don't lie. You are not going to get people who are extremely satisified with Accord to move elsewhere.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    Hyundai got at least one buyer I know (me), someone who was an extremely satisfied Honda owner, to move elsewhere. I can't believe I'm the only one who would ever consider such a move.

    In a static world, if you are satisfied with what you have, why change? But it's not a static world, is it? For example, you have your sights set on a 335. Do you own a 335 now? I am guessing you don't. So why not stick with what you have? Do you or did you ever own an Accord? If so, why even consider changing to a different brand, e.g. BMW?
  • shado4shado4 Posts: 287
    Too many choices, not enough lifetime. ;)

    As far as hybrids, I actually test drove the Prius. It was, well, in a word, weird. I've always liked Subies...thought about the new Impreza but it doesn't come with a factory-installed power sunroof (a must for me).

    Who knows what will draw my attention in 3 or 4 years when I'm ready to trade in my Lancer. A diesel-powered Honda Accord sounds mighty tempting. But then I'd have to break my tradition of never buying the same make twice. :)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Yeah, but an Accord powered by a different substance should change things enough, right? A Hybrid Civic would be less "wierd" than a Prius, I'd think. :)
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    I wouldn't view a 335 and an Accord/Sonota as competition. I view that as "trading up". That is the buyer satisified with their Accord, who wants to move up into the luxury segment or require a different vehicle due to lifes' circumstances.

    "But it's not a static world, is it?"

    Brand loyalty is a great thing, isn't it? I'm not trying to be pejorative, but it seems the people who bought Accord have already voted with their dollars. Whether you or I agree with their reasons, the sales are there to prove Honda is doing something right. Not to take anything away from Hyundai. It's not a car for me.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,682
    But a curious comment coming from someone who is not brand loyal (e.g. TL vs. 335).

    A 335 is better than an Accurd or Sonata in some ways, but not in others. The one thing for sure is that it is different. So you are a prime example of someone who is looking for something different than an Accurd for your next car.

    I on the other hand am not brand-loyal either. Last time I checked, no automaker gives me anything for being brand loyal. Well, that's not really true... I can get a loyalty rebate sometimes. Otherwise I see no advantage buying in the same brand again and again without evaluating the alternatives. So, no, I don't see brand loyalty as a great thing, except for the salespeople from that brand.

    If I used historical sales figures to tell me what to buy, I'd have to seriously consider the Camry, and even the Taurus. Both have been, or were, the top-selling cars in their class for many years. I don't care much for either of them.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I am brand loyal, there is no doubt. Family members have owned other brands of midsize cars (including a last gen Camry, 06 Optima, 01 Malibu, 02 Altima), and I have had a few rentals myself (06 Impala, 05 Sebring, 06 Monte Carlo). None of these cars made me want to trade my Accord for them. Having the last Accord for 12 years, and having very few problems with it, gave me a sense of trust with Honda. I feel I can count on them to build a solid car. Sure other cars may be just as reliable, but how am I to know this? From a test drive, with the salesman sitting in the passenger seat. I certainly will not gain the confidence I have in the Accord simply with a test drive in another car. Do I want to gamble with over $20k dollars on another brand? I like my odds with an Accord. If the 03 Accord turns into a "Lemon", I will definitely shop around next time. But if this car does what I expect it to for the 10 or more years I plan to own it, 9 out of 10 the next car will also be an Accord. You can say no car company has earned your loyalty, but so far (16 years) these two cars have earned mine. Seems every time I read a comparison in some car magazine, they only re-enforce my choice, and give me no real reasons to try something else. If I bought a new car every 3-5 years, maybe I would be more flexible, but until an Accord fails me, I'm sticking with a winner. :D
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