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Honda Accord Coupe Transmission Problems

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  • icyou812icyou812 Posts: 77
    They thought you were making up the problem? That's crazy. Why would someone lie about it? What theories does the other dealer have? The syncro and shift sleeve? Let me know if you get it resolved. I think I will go to a different dealer to try my luck.
  • ezshift5ezshift5 West coastPosts: 854
    I think I will go to a different dealer to try my luck.


    Really good idea. Also use a search engine (I use DogPile) on GMSFM;note the positives...........

    best, ez (works on my 6M)
  • icyou812icyou812 Posts: 77
    Hey ez, do you know if the GMSFM voids Honda warranty? I'll have to do a search on that.
  • ezshift5ezshift5 West coastPosts: 854
    ...... ez, do you know if the GMSFM voids Honda warranty?

    Can't really say about the GM stuff and the Honda warranty. I can just tell you that it works!!

    best, ez....
  • icyou812icyou812 Posts: 77
    Silly me, I stopped by the dealer today (the one I purchased my 08 from). Told them my car was still randomly doing the 3rd gear problem and asked about changing to a different gear lube. Guy said no, the only way to fix it is replace third. No sense in waiting to do it since I had complained about it before. He would call Honda Tech and then get to it tomorrow. They gave me a loaner car and I was on my way. Wow, that was just too easy I thought. Later this afternoon he calls me back to say that Honda tells him since there are no known issues with the 5 speed manual they won't replace it unless they can replicate the problem. Wow, I'm the first person in the world to have third gear issues with a 5 speed! Ha! They will test drive it tomorrow and give me a call. Want to bet they won't be able to replicate the prob? From what I've read that is standard operating procedure for Honda until a service bulletin is issued. I will wait and see. I will have to try at the other dealer after that.
  • They will not be able to replicate the problem, unless it is out of warranty and the repair would come on your nickel. I am not sure if the GM fluid voids the warranty, but I see no reason why you would need to disclose this to anyone anyway.

    Cheers!
  • icyou812icyou812 Posts: 77
    How correct you are, they just called me and said they put 30 miles on it trying to get it to grind - no luck. I'm supposed to go drive it with a tech. Will have to decide on the GM fluid. If third ends up taking a dump and they do a oil analysis they might say S.O.L. Am I just being paranoid? I'll update if I get this resolved. Thanks all...
  • sky16sky16 Posts: 20
    Hi,
    Sorry to hear you are having problems with your Honda.

    They replaced my 3rd gear the first time and it worked for about week and then the car came to almost a complete meltdown.

    The 2nd time they replaced the whole gearbox and I have not had any problems now since they fixed it. Wilde Honda in Waukesha,WI did an awesome job fixing the problem for good. My Honda Accord 2008 has never been better. Maybe you should have your dealer contact Wilde Honda to find out how to really fix the problem on your manual transmission.

    Good Luck on a real fix this time.

    Satisfied Honda 2008 Coupe Customer. :) :)
  • sky16sky16 Posts: 20
    Have your dealer contact the Wilde Honda Service Dept in Waukesha, WI they first replaced the 3rd gear grind problem a week later the replaced the whole gear box when there was a melt down and the problem has now been fixed the right way. I had the car fixed back in November and once they replaced the whole gear box the shifting has never been smoother. Good Luck on your transmission problem and be persistent that they fix your car don't back down. Regards, Satisfied Honda 2008 Coupe Owner from Wisconsin :)
  • icyou812icyou812 Posts: 77
    sky16, they know how to fix it, what Honda is doing is denying there is a issue with the 5 speed manual. The 6 speed yes, they have the TSB for. I went up before lunch today and drove it myself with a tech along, no grinds. I went ahead and had them service my tranny to see if there were any shavings. Luckily there were none. All they had for refill was Honda MTF. I know this is a coupe forum, but I posted here because my symptoms are identical to the six speed issues. I told them that I knew their standard operating procedure with coupe and Civic owners (before the TSB) was denial of the problem and that they had to witness it. They are taking a wait and see stance, and it is noted in my service records. Sometime soon I'll stop at the other nearest dealer to see if they would do anything for me. I have all sorts of free time since I'm laid off for a couple of months. Other than this issue, the uncomfortable seats that I'm getting somewhat used to and the blinky headlights, we really do like our Accord. I drove the dealers 03 loaner 4 cyl. Accord and didn't like it nearly as well. It reminded me of driving my 97 Camry. I hope I didn't offend anyone with that comment!
  • johno1826johno1826 Posts: 2
    I have a 2001 Accord V6 coupe, with 93,000 miles on it. When I go around 55 the car wobbles, I have had tires balanced thinking it might that. The wobble is more severe when it is cold outside. I had a new torque converter put in at 90,000. The car accelerates great and the wobble does feel like a tire balance problem. Could this be a transmission issue?
  • icyou812icyou812 Posts: 77
    Since the refill with Honda MTF we haven't had any grinds yet. Had only 1 notchy shift the day after the service was done. Just got back from a trip to Chicago and not one problem, other than figuring out a manual tranny sucks in rush hour! I guess time will tell if my problem is fixed.............
  • icyou812icyou812 Posts: 77
    I assume it didn't wobble before the new torque converter? If it started immediately after it was put in I would wonder about it. Does it make a difference if you rotate the tires? I think a balance issue would be more of a vibration feeling than a wobble. If a belt is shifted it would wobble. I assume they were rotated and checked for any belt shifting when they were balanced. Have the half shafts been inspected? I have a 97 Camry that had a wobble in the front at 40 - 55mph that I couldn't feel through the steering wheel. It turned out to be the drivers side inboard joint on the half shaft was worn and had some play in it. If it would have been the outer joint it would of wobbled at a lower speed and been felt through the steering wheel. Have you had anyone else troubleshoot it? How about the shop that replaced the torque converter? From what I've heard don't go to AAMCO. It stands for: All Automatics Must Come Out!
  • edkiedki Posts: 2
    I have been an Acura master tech for 17 years. I've been an ASE master technician/L-1 since 1976. I've been in the car repair business for 50 years. Honda has always had a third gear synchronizer problem. The problem usually comes from the fact that all the dealers put in 10W-30 weight engine oil. Honda formulated the proper oil with the proper friction modifiers in it. I have fixed many of the third gear grinding problems just by simply changing to Honda manual transmission fluid 08798-9031. Sounds unbelievable but engineers engineer things to work together which often don't work together with foreign or uspecified components. If GM engineers listen to Honda engineers telling General Motors engineers how to fix their cars we would have more general motors problems.
  • edki, glad to hear from someone that is knowledgeable. I forgot to follow up on my previous posts. I was told they actually put in genuine Honda MTF, but it only helped for about 5K miles. I wanted to put in BG Syncro Shift 2, but they told me it would void the warranty. (BS) Honda America called me to do a survey a few days after I had My Accord in for a oil change and to *fix* the squeaky glove box door. Since they were recording the conversation I politely lambasted the dealership on how I had been getting the runaround with the third gear issue, and how they overfilled the crankcase once, and over torqued the lug nuts when they rotated the tires. Add to that their fix for the glovebox was to take some items out of it. Even stated that it took care of the problem right on the service writeup. Funny how the squeak was still there. Long story short, I got a call the very next day from the dealership and boy were they very attentive to my issues after that, as it should have been from the start. They immediately agreed to let me use the Syncro Shift, and they correctly fixed the glove box door per the TSB. They also replaced all the door jam seals due to them pulling loose. It's been about 3500 miles and not a single grind. It shifts just like butter, even in the middle of winter before it gets warmed up. It really makes it a pleasure to drive. By the way, the dealership did not do the BG tranny service, I had a local trusted shop do it. He is also now doing my regular servicing too. Time will tell if the BG MTF will continue to do the trick. I think it will, as I have had positive experience with their products in my old 97 Camry with 170K on the clock.
  • ezshift5ezshift5 West coastPosts: 854

    If GM engineers listen to Honda engineers telling General Motors engineers how to fix their cars we would have more general motors problems.


    You certainly have more credentials/experience than 99 44/100 (remember Ivory?) of the folk who post here. I'm somewhat surprised that (speaking of GM), you did not mention their p/n 12377916 AKA GM SynchroMesh Friction Modified.

    At 60,000, I cut the factory interval in half and changed to GMSFM. It's like nite and day: the dreaded 3rd gear 6M shift notchiness/resistance (never did have pop-out) has disappeared astern (I was in the Navy).

    My first car was GM; looks like my last transmission 6M fluid will follow suit.

    best, ez....
  • I purchased a Honda Accord Coupe in June 2009. Since day one, I have been complaining about the shifting into and out of 3rd gear. The car back fires sometimes when upshifting into 4th gear.

    I have brought the car to three different dealers and several times each. Everytime, they look at me and treat as if I am crazy. I know the shifting isn't me, so I kept complaining but they haven't done anything about it.

    I have been drivning a maual car since I was 12. Even my mother complained about the same issue, and she has be driving a manual since she was a teenager.

    Now, after reading all these complaints. I am calling the HQ of Honda and demanding a fix!!!

    I also complained from day one about my brakes being bad. The dealers said there was nothing wrong. A technican pulled me aside and said, "You need a whole new system." About two weeks after that, it was all over the news how the brake system on the Honda Accord is having problems, and that there is a massive recall.

    So, this is my first HONDA and my last!
  • fredyo1fredyo1 Posts: 2
    I have suffered with this 3rd gear problem for five long years, learning to rev higher in 2nd and skipping 3rd gear in key driving situations. I didn't want to use another fluid and possibly void my warranty, but since the warranty was set to expire this year, I took it to another dealer for one final attempt at a solution. He suggested changing the fluid again as Honda has an improved manual transmission fluid. I have been driving the car now for almost six weeks and the frequent hangup in third gear has not appeared even once. It is truly outrageous that it took so long to find a fix for this defect, but at least it is solved.
  • mdebritomdebrito Posts: 12
    I'm glad you fixed it. It bothered me for the longest time until the tech bulletin came out. I feel badly for all those who don't know about it and still deal with it.
  • icyou812icyou812 Posts: 77
    Back in 09 my dealer insisted Honda fluid was the only thing that could be put in. That is BS. As long as it meets or exceeds Honda specifications it won't void the warranty. Just read some of my posts on the previous couple of pages (icyou812) I had BG Synchro Shift 2 synthetic fluid put in at about 23K miles and now have about 56K on it currently and it still shifts perfectly. Of course mine is a 5 speed manual, but it was exhibiting the same symptoms as the 6 speed trannies. You said it's been six weeks since the fluid change, but how many miles? At 15k I had the dealer change the fluid with the Honda brand and it shifted great for about 5K, and then it started in again. I don't recall them telling me it was a improved fluid. Honda does have a TSB for this problem. Do a search for Honda Service Bulletin 08-020. It states the corrective action is to replace the 3rd gear set. Look to make sure your car is listed, then print it out and take it with you to the dealership. As for me, the BG fluid was the answer.
  • fredyo1fredyo1 Posts: 2
    Many thanks for your reply. I agree with you that you need the new 3rd gear set and a better fluid to solve the problem. My 3rd gear set was replaced in 2008 after the TSB came out, but I continued to have issues going into 3rd, typically early in my drive each day. I now have almost 3000 miles on the Honda transmission fluid they installed in February and no worries so far. If the problem recurs, I will certainly give the BG synthetic fluid a try.
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