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Will the Chevy Volt Succeed?

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  • ighigh Posts: 60
    Fox news and truth do not go together. :)
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Um, I can't watch the video or tell what they were talking about, so I don't have any idea what the post is about.

    But if a Volt "runs out of juice" the car doesn't DIE.....the gas engine charges the generator and the car still runs until it runs out of gasoline...

    So...
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,094
    That was not the point of the test made by the auto guy. It was the fact that he only got 25 miles on a full charge. Two days in a row. That is not an uncommon complaint.

    The EPA has determined through testing that the Chevy Volt would go a typical 35 miles on a full battery charged. Using the full 10.4 kwh of stored battery energy available, GM has determined the majority of drivers will experience from 25 to 50 miles of range.

    http://gm-volt.com/2010/12/29/getting-25-miles-of-range-or-less-in-the-chevy-vol- t/

    Which means with our high priced electricity in San Diego it would cost about $3.22 to go 25 miles. Hardly a good deal for a car that costs $46k.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Well, that's a regional thing, not a "BAD VOLT" thing....

    For example, I pay about 7.7 cents per kwh (offpeak) here in Phoenix, and it never gets cold enough to use the heater in the mornings.

    So for me, driving 17 miles per day for my commute, I could charge the Volt for about $0.84 cents per weekday (assuming a 25-mile EV range limit), and hardly ever need to use the gasoline engine.

    With gas at $3.30 and me getting 34 MPG in my TCH, that would be $1.65 per day to drive the TCH.

    So over a year, I'd save $228 versus buying gas for the TCH. Not much, but my case is unique because I'm already driving a fairly fuel-efficient car.
  • fho2008fho2008 Posts: 393
    Wondering, whats a TCH?
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    TCH = Toyota Camry Hybrid
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,094
    February 13, 2012
    Obama hikes subsidy to wealthy electric car buyers

    The White House intends to boost government subsidies for wealthy buyers of the Chevy Volt and other new-technology vehicles — to $10,000 per buyer.

    That mammoth subsidy would cost taxpayers $100 million each year if it is approved by Congress, presuming only 10,000 new-technology autos are sold each year.

    But the administration wants to get 1 million new-tech autos on the road by 2015. The subsidy cost of that goal could reach $10 billion.

    The planned giveaway will likely prompt populist protests from GOP legislators, but it will likely also will be welcomed by auto-industry workers in the critical swing state of Michigan.

    That welcome is critical for President Barack Obama, who is touting his support for blue-collar manufacturing programs to help offset his low public approval ratings.

    The new subsidy level represents a 33 percent jump from the current $7,500 government payout for each Volt buyer, even though the Volt’s buyers are already among the wealthiest Americans. It will be offered to buyers of any new-technology autos, including battery-powered autos and cars powered by natural gas, said a White House official.

    The extra money for wealthy buyers will be borrowed funds, eventually paid off by future taxpayers in all income brackets.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    Nothing to worry about as congress doesn't pass anything anymore. Its dems against Rep not dems/rep for the people.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,094
    It could get costly, as about a dozen or more vehicles currently qualify for the $7500 tax credit. Many are just now coming to the market place. I don't think the $46k Volt will be the winner in the $10,000 giveaway. If it does get past Congress. I am not sure if this is another end around via the EPA or not. It will also require finding people with a $10k or more tax bill. You cannot carry the credit over. narrows the audience. But then you know all that already. The Volt and other electrics make more sense for fleet vehicles. Where lower electric rates apply.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,613
    edited February 2012
    As the above post points out, there are many vehicles that qualify for this, so singling out the Volt is spotty reporting, at best.

    Kind of a shame, however, that the Leaf went up nearly $2500 in base price this year, thereby offsetting the proposed increase in the credit.

    '13 Stang GT; '15 Fit; '98 Volvo S70; '14 Town&Country

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,094
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Cali giving the Volt $1500 credit and car pool privileges. Cool.

    Volt sales likely to jump in Cali

    Dismal sales of the Chevrolet Volt called into question whether the GM could sell the 30,000 Volts it’s said it wants to this year. But part of the problem was the original car, although it operates without gasoline for short trips, didn't meet California’s emissions standards to qualify for carpool access (without a passenger) and a state tax rebate of $1,500.

    Today GM announced that Volt’s with a new low emissions package meet the state's standards, and will be available at 140 dealerships in California by the end of the month. That’s too late to help February sales figures, but it could give sales a boost in March.

    Carpool access is a big deal on the crowded highways of Southern California. GM says commuters who use them cut their driving time by 36 minutes per day.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,094
    I cannot find anything from the state verifying that. And why not the $5000 given to the Leaf?

    Unfortunately, the Chevy Volt—one of the star plug-in cars—will not receive the coveted $5,000 California rebate because the vehicle does not qualify as an Advanced Technology-Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle (AT-PZEV). A number of conventional hybrids, like the Toyota Prius and Honda Civic Hybrid, have qualified as AT-PZEVs for years. The Nissan LEAF is a pure zero-missions vehicle, and will therefore be designated as a ZEV.

    The lack of a $5,000 rebate will put the Volt at a cost disadvantage compared to the Nissan LEAF, which will indeed qualify for the $5,000 California rebate. The net result could mean that the Chevy Volt has a net price $10,000 or more than the LEAF.

    G.M. announced that the warranty all of the Volt’s electric-drive and battery components for 8 years or 100,000 miles. However, CARB requires that the emissions equipment of AT-PZEVs have a warranty of 10 years or 150,000 miles. If the Volt’s battery pack, for example, is considered part of the emissions control system, then G.M. would need to warranty the pack for 10 years or 150,000 miles, which apparently the company is not willing to do. That’s probably the right business decision.


    So has GM raised the warranty bar to 10 years and 150,000 miles?
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Well, you'd have to ask the Cali legislators about why the amount is different.

    Google this phrase if you still are doubting me:

    "chevy volt california carpool lane tax credit"
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    More:

    "The first 35 miles or so that you drive in a fully charged Chevrolet Volt are emissions-free, but until now, that hasn't been good enough to make it eligible for a highly coveted Clean Air Vehicle Decal in California. Chevrolet has added a Low Emissions Package to the Volt that lets it achieve the California Air Resources Board's Advanced Technology Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle rating (AT-PZEV).
    High-occupancy vehicle (HOV) lanes in California require two or three occupants in the car to drive in the faster, less congested lanes. However, certain alternative fuel vehicles are approved for green or white Clean Air Vehicle stickers that give them single-occupancy access to the state's carpool lanes.
    The Chevrolet Volt, which is an extended-range electric vehicle that uses electricity stored in a battery to propel the car for 35 miles before kicking on the gasoline engine, wasn't eligible to apply for one of the 40,000 decals. To join the clean vehicle fleet, Chevrolet created a Low Emissions Package for the Volt. The new package brings its tailpipe emissions down to near zero, extends the emissions systems warranty to 15 years or 150,000 miles, and extends the battery warranty to 10 years or 150,000 miles.
    Commuters who use carpool lanes in Southern California save an estimated average 36 minutes a day, according to GM. The Volt's new status as an AT-PZEV vehicle in California will make it qualify for the green Clean Air sticker. It also makes them eligible to receive up to $1,500 in state rebates through the Clean Vehicle Rebate Project.
    But not all Volts can apply; only the extended range hybrids with the Low Emissions Package are on the Clean Vehicle list. Production of Volts with this new package began this week and should be available for sale in California Chevy dealerships by the end of the month. You'll be able to tell if the Volt qualifies by checking the Vehicle Identification Number, which will have an E, F, G, or H in the fifth position of the VIN number."

  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    And.....more:

    Volts achieve AT-PZEV and earn a rebate and a car pool sticker

    "The 2012 Volt with the Low Emissions Package should begin arriving in California in the next two weeks. It will cost the same as the regular version: $39,145 plus an $850 destination fee."
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,094
    Here is the info from the state. They are still waiting for EPA approval. It will be limited to the first 40,000 buyers and up to $1500 tax credit.

    http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/zevprog/factsheets/clean_vehicle_incentives.pdf

    Notice that the Prius Plug-in Hybrid will be competing for the 40k green HOV stickers and tax rebate.

    http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/carpool/carpool.htm

    This will make the Volt models sitting on the showroom now about worthless. Bet that made the CA Chevy dealers real happy. No wonder so many were refusing to take the Volt. They had insider knowledge. Better bet for a HOV sticker would be a i-MiEV or Leaf. No limits and $2500 rebate.
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,941
    worthless volts on showroom floor in Cali because of the HOV pollution-increasing restrictions! Cool - I'll take one.

    btw, does anyone know percentage of drivers who routinely & strategically ignore the HOV rules, in areas where the separation is paint not an actual barrier?

    i'll drive my Cruze to Sacto from Boston tomorrow to trade for a Volt, using the carpool lane along the way if that's what it takes.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,094
    General Motors Co. announced the temporary suspension of Chevrolet Volt production and the layoffs of 1300 employees, as the company is cutting Volt manufacturing to meet lower-than-expected demand for the electric cars.

    "Even with sales up in February over January, we are still seeking to align our production with demand," GM spokesman Chris Lee said. The car company had hoped to sell 45,000 Chevy Volts in America this year, according to the Detrot News, but has only sold about 1,626 over the first two months of 2012.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    Um, are you kidding? They are just rolling it out to new markets. And gas prices going up?

    End of the Volt? Harumph..... :shades:
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,094
    edited March 2012
    So are electric prices. I say it is a last ditch effort. Nothing says they have to reopen 4/23. GM also said they may move mfg to China. GM says CA changed their rules. CA says GM extended their warranty. Who is telling the truth? And the $10k was only a passing thought. I would not count on getting the $1500 rebate on a Volt when and if they make it here. Half the money is gone and the Nissan Leaf has gotten most of it. Probably get the rest.

    http://energycenter.org/index.php/incentive-programs/clean-vehicle-rebate-projec- - t

    PS
    You can get a Leaf at near invoice now. With the two rebates at $10k less than $23k.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,094
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,914
    A reporter is looking to hear from Republican and Democrat consumers who want to discuss the Chevy Volt. If you are a Republic or a Democrat, and are willing to discuss the Volt with a reporter, please email PR@edmunds.com no later than noon Pacific /3p.m. Eastern Wednesday, March 7, 2012 with your daytime contact information.

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  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    edited March 2012
    If that happens, remember this post. I will EAT AN ENTIRE VOLT, piece by piece, if this happens.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,094
    You may have a hard time finding one to eat for a couple years, till they start dying. :shades:

    My prediction, they will still be available made in China. GM already mentioned that months ago. Very convenient closing. They are mostly made in China anyway. May as well assemble them there.

    After Receiving Bailout, GM May Move Volt Production to China
  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,914
    I'm bookmarking that one - not because I have any particular animosity toward the Volt, but I want to be there to film it for our InsideLine site. Plus, it'll get a MILLION hits on youtube.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,094
    Bring a case of BBQ sauce. I hear Lithium batteries are tasty with KC BBQ sauce. :shades:
  • I leased it today. I think lease is the better way to go avoiding hassle with tax rebate ...etc. Does anyone know if I can still qualify for $1500 CA Tax credit since I am leasing it? The dealer received 4 Volts yesterday, and it looks like I got the last one, so they are selling well for now.
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