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Will the Chevy Volt Succeed?



  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    I don't think realistically you will ever make up the difference. Those with blinders only see the savings in fossil fuel. Which has merit. What I think about is the $7500 of US tax dollars going to foreign countries. 70% of the Volt is made elsewhere mostly China. We do not have the resources or expertise to make a decent EV or Hybrid. I would expect the whole Volt to be made in China within the next couple years. The Leaf is made in Japan. So you may be able to save a few gallons of fossil fuel for what reason no one can give you an intelligent reason. But if you are interested in helping your fellow Americans, there are many vehicles with much higher USA content.
  • ighigh Posts: 60
    You are very concerned about the Volt tax credit which total about 10 million so far going to other nations but you are not at all concerned about the 100 billion dollars that US spends every year to import crude oil from hostile countries and to prop up tyrannical regimes in the middle east. I do not understand this dichotomy.

    The Leaf will be built in Tennessee from this fall and that will result in a 1-2K price reduction. Due to the unfavorable exchange rate Nissan is losing money by importing the Leaf from Japan.
  • jimparrjimparr Posts: 9
    I estimate my fuel costs to travel 1486 miles as: $15.91 for gas and $32.85 for elec. The car is more affordable than most people think. Because sales are sagging most dealers are motivated to sell. For example a base Volt MSRP approx. $40,000.00. Dealer reduction of $6,000.00 (I got more on my MSRP $46300.00 Volt) and federal tax credit of $7500.00 and possible state tax credits can bring the price down to the mid $20,000.00 range.
    I leased my Volt 36 mos., 20,000 miles per year, @$378.37 per month. All I paid up front was the first payment and a security payment of $378.37. So I am paying about the same per month to drive this car as my previuos 2010 VW CC. I think I will save $120.00 to $150.00 per month in gas minus my elec costs of approx. $30.00 per month. A net savings!
  • jimparrjimparr Posts: 9
    My sticker says 46% US/ Canadian parts. Other major source of parts is Korea at 18%. Assembled in Detroit. And don't forget, GM is an American company.
  • jimparrjimparr Posts: 9
    No solar panels. Cost of a full charge to go 40 miles= $1.00. Cost to go 40 miles on gas (my car gets 40 mpg on gas) = $3.70.
  • jimparrjimparr Posts: 9
    Your post is disturbing. China is not mentioned in the parts content part of my sticker. Where does that China stuff come from?
    Also you state we do not have the resources or expertise to make a decent EV or Hybrid. I got news for you, there is one in my garage, its real, its here now, its American, and its a fantastic car!
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    Yes your Volt has an American name plate. No it is not mostly a USA made car. My research shows that actual USA content including assembly is 30%. I am glad that Nissan will be assembling the Leaf in the USA as well. That is better than nothing. But your premise that the name makes it an American car is about as true as saying an Apple iPhone is an American product. To manufacture an EV or Hybrid takes a large amount of Rare Earth Elements. Currently China produces and Sells 97% of the World's supply. We are just now starting to mine them again to protect our military. However we are sending them to China for refinement. We are NOT in any position to build a complete or even half of an EV or Hybrid. Thanks to years of over regulation in this country.

    As far as the old "buying from the enemy" line. We bought more crude oil from Canada last year than the total from the Persian Gulf. You may not realize it but the Lithium in your batteries comes from an avowed enemy in Bolivia. There is a reason we buy our Li-ion batteries from Korea. Bolivia does not want to sell the USA their resource.

    The Green agenda is going to be more buying from other countries than the old fossil fuel agenda. To support our workers people should buy a Ford F150, Camry or Accord that are about 80% USA made. Thankfully we are still sort of a free country to do as we like.
  • jimparrjimparr Posts: 9
    You bring up China a lot. It seems to me that you are willing to assume at some point that country will be involved with production of the Volt. I don't like to assume anything. We can build this car--that's not an assumption. Yes the batteries come from Korea. That still does not make the case for a pro oil agenda.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    edited April 2012
    You can be thankful. You will have one of the few Volt cars assembled in the USA. My guess they will be built in China by next year. Too bad our government does not protect US like most other countries protect their workers.

    GM to Build Electric Cars in China, Protect Chevy Volt Technology

    SHANGHAI – General Motors Co. agreed Tuesday to deepen cooperation with its flagship Chinese partner on development of electric vehicle knowhow amid pressure from Beijing to hand over proprietary technology.

    Investments and other details of the plan were not provided, and it was unclear if the agreement was the result of a renewed push by China to acquire advanced technology its own automakers still lack.

    U.S. lawmakers have complained that China is shaking down GM to get the technology that drives the Chevrolet Volt electric car. GM plans to start selling the Volt in China by the end of the year, but its prospects are iffy because it doesn't qualify for a Chinese government subsidy that amounts to $19,000 per car. The government offers the subsidy only to electric cars made in China.

    Pro oil is not the issue. It is the 250 million existing vehicles that require oil to move down the road. And that is still the most economical means of individual motorized transport.
  • jimparrjimparr Posts: 9
    Thanks for an informative and nice response. I hope for the sake of the American worker that production of the car remains in the USA.
    I do think the Volt is economically viable now for the right consumer. And I think there are millions of "right " consumers. Mass consumption of the Volt would help get this country toward economic independence.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    The more I see US losing manufacturing jobs the more concerned I get. Cars like the Volt and Leaf are the future. We are not doing much to manufacture the future in the USA. We should be manufacturing the battery cells and electric motors and controllers here. GM is still buying the gas engine in the Volt from Opel. Built in Europe somewhere.
  • ighigh Posts: 60
    The Volt engine is currently being built at the Michigan Flint Engine South plant. GM had to retool the assembly line to get the production costs in line. engine

    GM has battery contracts with A123 systems (recently in the news for wrong reasons) and Envia a start up from Silicon Valley. US will continue to innovate and make stuff at the top of the value chain. Mature technology will be moved to China for low cost production.

    US did import $100 Billion worth of oil from Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and
    other middle east countries in 2011. US spent another 100 billion on military costs to ensure these oil supplies in the middle east.

    Currently Chile (a friendly nation) is the largest producer of Lithium. Bolivia was not among the top 10 in production in 2011.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    I should have said lithium reserves:

    Now, with the emergence of electric cars, lithium could challenge petroleum as the dominant fuel of the future. And nearly half the world’s known resources are buried beneath vast salt flats in southwestern Bolivia, the largest of which is called the Salar de Uyuni. Bolivians have begun to speak of their country becoming “the Saudi Arabia of lithium.”

    Yet it’s not clear that Bolivia is capable of making money off its trove. Morales, who is closely aligned with the populist socialism of Hugo Chávez, the President of Venezuela, is prone to revolutionary declarations: “Either capitalism dies or else Planet Earth dies.” Such rhetoric tends to scare away the kind of foreign investment that would facilitate the development of the Salar.
  • jimparrjimparr Posts: 9
    My sticker says the engine was built in Austria. Transmission (electric drive uint) - United States.
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  • Has anyone experienced a clunk noise when clicking on the brites in a 2012 volt?
  • I am experiencing a loss of power from what I have when using the battery when my 2012 volt switched from battery power to fuel. Is anyone else experiencing this? Also when I switch to fuel the engine seems to run very fast and noisy . Thanks
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    I just got mine Tuesday and the couple times it switched from elec to gas the only way I could tell was by the dash display. With radio off, there was no difference that I could feel or hear. Now maybe at 70 I'm sure I would hear the engine.
  • ighigh Posts: 60
    dmathews3 congrats on your new Volt. Did you get a good deal?

    I also cannot tell most of the time when the engine switches from electric to
    gas. A loss of power should not happen unless you are going up
    an extended incline and forgot to switch to Mountain mode 30 mins before
    the climb. Any other loss of power should be very short lived - the time
    it takes the gas generator to charge the battery for depleted reserve power.

    So far 1980 miles on 10 gallons. I charge using the 120v outlet for 10 hrs
    every night. Most night do not need to charge full as charge remains from
    previous day.

    The scenarios for using gas are:
    1. airport pickup/drop off (70 miles round trip)
    2. Going to a party/get-together on Friday night after battery depleted
    on commute
    3. visiting some of my local friends/relatives outside the 20 mile radius on

    Looking to reserve the Focus electric next. By using the combined
    electric range of 120 miles for the 2 cars, I think I can cut down on gas
  • PF_FlyerPF_Flyer Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,854
    edited April 2012
    Having never driven a Volt, but understanding that the gas engine is simply there to generate electricity when the battery is low, you shouldn't feel any difference when the engine switches on should you? And the engine is simply going to run at the speed it runs at to move the vehicle and (I assume) supply some recharging capability to the battery, correct? The wheels are driven by electric motor and as long as there's juice, there's power. It's not like you step on the gas and the engine revs go up, is it? That would border on extremely silly.

    Just some inquiring mind questions :shades:

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