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2008 Ford Focus

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  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Think Verve:

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    Those are show car photos, here is the spy photo:

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    Notice the dramatic grill remains?
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    IMHO the proportions of the current crop of B cars is all WRONG. They look squished from front to back and stretched from roof to road.

    The Fit for instances looks like a toy with little tiny wheel. The Nissan Versa sedan looks like a clown car. ETC.

    Mark Fields killed the Brazilian designed Ford B car because he felt it wasn't compelling enough to be a hit.

    I think the Verve, sold as a Fiesta in Europe but possibly the Verve here could be a HIT on looks alone.
  • scape2scape2 Posts: 4,119
    I own an 06 Fusion SEL V6 and just had to test drive a new 08 Focus SES with every option available. Motor Trend ripped on the new 08 Focus like usual, so I had to go see for myself. Styling is a personal choice, for me it was ok, I thought it was middle of the road. Inside was a different story, HUGE improvements. Quality/fit/finish were very, very good for a car in this class. Motor Trend also pounded on Ford for "power" yet Ford boosted the power to match the Civic/Nissan/ or Toyota?? So what gives?? The car had plenty of pep for a car of this class. The car is very quiet and feels solid on the road. Ford did improve the Focus. For those that bother to go for a test drive and compare they will see this hands down. Focus screams value/quality. The pictures don't do this car justice. Go see for yourself. ;)
  • isseyvooisseyvoo Posts: 120
    I wanted to buy an '06 Focus 5dr. a couple of Springs ago, but the dealer couldn't find me one with side airbags and manual transmission. He told me I couldn't order it, and I didn't want it any other way. I ended up buying a Mazda.

    At any rate, I was in a parking lot yesterday and saw the "new" Focus in person for the first time. At first, I thought that (in addition to being ugly) some sort of trim piece had broken off behind the front wheel. Then, on closer inspection, I realized that it was a faux brake vent made of plastic and was INTENDED to look as out of place as it did. That alone was enough to turn me against the redesign. Didn't the stylists learn anything from Pontiac's flirtation with (and eventual abandonment of) pointless, glue-on, plastic trim pieces??? Very off-putting to say the least. At least the inside is a vast improvement.

    Why the Europeans get to enjoy the Focus that shares the platform with the Mazda3 and Volvo S40 (not to mention such great cars as the Mondeo) and we are stuck with leftovers is beyond my comprehension. I WANT to like Fords. In Europe I could. But they're just hopeless in the US.
  • joem5joem5 Posts: 201
    the ZX SES and only making Focus sedans.
    I was going to buy a Focus hatch because of heated seats and price.
    Thanks :sick:
  • joem5joem5 Posts: 201
    the ZX SES and only making Focus sedans.
    I was going to buy a Focus hatch because of heated seats and price.
    Thanks :sick:
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    Are you sure the '08 US model looks anything like a Focus? The lack of available telescopic steering is telling you something.

    Here's what real Focus' are suppose to look like...

    MkI (facelifted to look like MkII):

    http://www.gulfcoastnews.com/RT2005FordFocus.htm

    MkII (watch out for the bulky width wider than the 6-ft wide Lexus LS430):

    http://www.forddesktops.com/show.asp?f=focus&i=European_Ford_Focus_Mk2_Saloon_01- - - .jpg

    http://roadtest.u-car.com.tw/roadtest-detail.asp?rid=305

    MkII (facelifted to look like MkIII):

    http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_website/gallery.php?id=231597

    http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_website/gallery.php?id=239619

    MkIII:

    http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_website/gallery.php?id=239622

    http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_website/gallery.php?id=239616
    (I think the rear visibility of the new hatch is gonna suck)

    http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_website/gallery.php?id=239613

    But looks like the 2.3 will not come back :cry: , while the next Mazda3 will soldier on with the 4-cyl 2.3 enlarged to 2.5 (That's very Porsche 944-ish :) ):
    http://newsletter.autoexpress.co.uk/c/1Ahu7gsPvEcaEAu

    Don't worry, the Verve's looks alone will kill the sales of the current American-invented Focus. & we will be getting the MkIII real Focus in a few years -- at least the sedan version. :)

    The Verve sedan may look beautiful -- no doubt about it, but the the lack of sophisticated rear multi-link suspension won't ride beautifully -- just check out the (un) Fit ride quality as you down grade from the Civic.

    So the Verve is no substitute for the compact-size C-170 MkI Focus. Unless the MkIII Focus will trim down the excessive bulky width off the MkII, I'll stick w/ my '07 MkI Focus 2.3 ST forever :P Watch me blasting my 2.3 low-end torque out of corners w/ Quaife LSD...
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  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    "Just because the platform is (almost) ten years old doesn't mean it is a bad platform. The Mustang ran on the same Fox chassis for 15 years, then on a modified version of that for another 11. So is nine years for an economy car really that bad?"

    Nine years for any car really isn't bad at all, especially if the platform was way ahead of its time to begin with.

    But wait a minute here. How dare you comparing this stone-age fossil -- the Mustang platform -- to the highly advanced C-170 Focus platform engineered in Germany? :) In fact, it was so advanced that BMW was drooling & almost bought the platform!

    & I can't believe how arrogant Americans are when comes to their own automobile technological advancement. How the hell did this old Mustang, when using the same Nissan engine, kick-[non-permissible content removed] a Nissan Z-car w/ a modern Japanese platform on twisty roads doing drifts in this Hollywood movie Tokyo Drift! :confuse:

    Since the '70's, the Mustang rides on an enlarged Pinto platform. Today's new Mustang rides on the Jaguar S-type platform but still using the solid rear axle, which is good for nothing except drag racing & other brawn-but-no-brain behaviors.

    So the ignorant Americans should not perceive the German-engineered Focus as a modern-day Pinto, as it has nothing to do with it. The Mustang does.

    Now if you don't care about the sophisticated Control Blade rear suspension in the German-engineered Focus, then a solid-axle V8 Focus may suit the taste of those who are still proud of the Mustang platform:
    http://www.kugelkomponents.com/focus/focus.html

    When was the last time you saw James Bond driving a Mustang? Today, James Bond drives the new Mondeo, which rides on an enlarged Focus platform: :P
    http://bp2.blogger.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/RdJOBzwDY0I/AAAAAAAACv0/cUafR5XFwiE/s1600-h/- - - cARSCOOP_Ford_Mondeo_307.jpg
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    "Today's new Mustang rides on the Jaguar S-type platform but still using the solid rear axle"

    This statement is not quite correct. The Jag S/LincolnLS platform known as DEW proved way to expensive for the Mustang. After struggling to engineer the cost down to make it viable to use in the Mustang, Ford decided to adopt components from other Ford platforms, especially in the suspension department.

    So where did Ford find the suspension components that eventually went into the 2005 Mustang?...Why from the European C1 Focus platform. :)

    Mark.

    The Mustang platform is...You guessed it, based on the
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    How about the enlarged Focus -- the new Mondeo -- sold else where, where our Focus ST's 2.3 4-cyl Duratec (Porsche-designed block, finished by Mazda) lives on. Note: not to be confused w/ the 2.3 in the Pinto :D

    http://www.caradvice.com.au/7274/2008-ford-mondeo-details/

    Scroll down to see the light-grey sedan available w/ Volvo's 5-cyl turbo (Nice wheels, eh?).

    Actually we can still get this super-sized Focus platform in the form of the new Volvo S80, Ford Edge & Mazda CX-9
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    our Focus still feels like a German-design car riding on a German platform.

    The Mazda3 feels like a Japanese-design car riding on a German platform.

    The S40/V50 feels like a Swedish-design car riding on a German platform.

    I just had a chance sitting in the '08 American Focus sedan when I went to p/u my '07 Focus ST after some warranty work. The exterior & interior styling issues of the '08 didn't bother me much, but the difference in the quality of the interior is quite dramatic...

    Front seating: The interior door handle, located ahead of the pwr window switches, is too far away. The center armrest is too low. Combining w/ the lack of telescopic steering column, the driving position doesn't even fit me! The inside rearview mirror shows a more restrictive rear vision. The looks & tactile feel of the crudely designed & styled plastic buttons feel very low rent & "un-German". & "Ouch!" as I exited the driver seat, my left knee cap was hit by the plastic protrusion from the lower left part of the dash.

    Rear seating: The outer parts of the headliner force the outer 2 passengers to tilt the head toward the center of the car. The foot space underneath the front chair was restrictively narrow. & the front seat back's extra knee clearance extended so far above the real knee level that it looked stupid.

    The whole interior engineering is as unsophisticated as the original Dodge Neon. Starting '08, our Focus feels like a American-design car riding on a German platform.
  • I am also considering buying a 2008 ford focus. I currently own a 2001 ford focus se. I have had very good luck with it so far. It just turned 100,000 miles on it. Never had any mechanical problems with it. only a few minor recalls.
    Im hoping I will have just as good luck with a new one.
  • With all due respect to the Focus detractors on this forum....
    You can bash the car all you like. HOWEVER, I offer this fact: I see FAR more Focuses (Foci?) on the road than any other small car. This is especially true of the redesigned version.

    And don't tell me it's just Ford discounting the car. Every other manufacturer is unloading their small cars at fire-sale prices.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    My 2 cents is that many people who have problems with their Focus failed to follow the complete scheduled maintenance routine.

    Ford Focus has some of the lowest maintenance requirements in its class including a lifetime air filter. Still, it takes more than just oil changes to keep a car functioning properly.

    Mark
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    After switching to Duratec developed by Mazda...

    "the current Focus has been rated the most reliable vehicle in its segment in Germany, outdoing all [non-permissible content removed] and German brands"
    aviboy97, "Mazdaspeed3 vs. VW V GTI vs. Civic Si" #1239, 26 Jun 2007 7:23 am
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,442
    i like the same mondeo as you do, but i don't see the chassis connection to the s-80.
  • creakid1creakid1 Posts: 2,032
    But the way to bash the '08 American Focus is not in the reliability issues, as recently the Focus already beats most German cars in this area after using Mazda technology under the hood.

    A decently comfy ride & controllable rear drift from the Control Blade rear suspension, along w/ great steering feedback is what makes the Focus so great.

    Even after switching to electro-hydraulic power steering on the C-1 Euro Focus w/ engine larger than 1.6, competitors just can't match its steering feel:

    (post #1347)
    creakid1, "Mazdaspeed3 vs. VW V GTI vs. Civic Si" #1347, 9 Mar 2008 5:10 pm

    But I'm not sure about the '08 American Focus' electric power steering:

    (post #1944)
    creakid1, "Ford Focus Sedan" #1944, 6 Nov 2007 2:43 am
    '...While still precise it feels slightly dulled when going straight ahead, something I'd chalk up to the setup of the electrical power steering to require less inputs when driven at high speeds on the highway and fewer kickbacks from the wheel. The conversion to an electric rack also leaves the wheel mostly devoid of feedback, an area which the old Focus was very strong."
  • rebel71rebel71 Posts: 87
    I'm looking at many cars and wanted to ask if the lack of head rests in the backseat is an issue? I'm concerned for the safety of my passengers and not sure how this effect them in an accident. It has rear drum brakes, ugh. I had a car w/those and had brake fade on hills from the heat buildup. Anyone experience issues with this? Thank you
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