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  • klasklas Posts: 22
    as I mentioned it before that EX price is way out there and it cannot be compared to Outlander.

    fully loaded is $15k more then fully loaded Outlander*
  • alex789alex789 Posts: 20
    If you willing step up to the larger CUV, Enclave could be a good choice. Very smooth and quiet, stylish (inside too);
    A lot of room, features and towing cap. too.

    Go - Reaserch - Buick Enclave - Owners and Expert
    reviews. You'll get 9 expert reviews. Check out what owners say. After that, go to Edmunds Buick Forum.
  • Does it have bluetooth? or some sort of onstar thing?
  • alex789alex789 Posts: 20
    Yes, Enclave has OnStar assistance system and hands free phone as Standard on all models. Enclave has jaw dropping list of standard equipment, including Power driver and passenger seats, I-pod connection, Power Tilt/Telescope stirring wheel, Power heated outside mirrors with turn signals, outside temperature indicator, tire pressure monitor, Bi-xenon headlights, fog lights, Tri-zone automatic climate controls (driver, passenger and rear), Heated front seats, and on and on... Some standards feature are unique, like custom 19" Michellin tires spacialy disignied to reduce tire noise (CXL), or memory system not just for a seat, but for mirrors too (CXL), or two-way remote start has LCD screen on the key fob that tells you whether the doors are locked and the engine is running among other info (optional).
    A lot of Optional equepment (6 packages).
    Some people, who don't use 3rd-row seat much and keep it flat-down, bought 2nd-row split-folding seat, instead of two captain chairs, got $495 back.
    I'd say, Enclave is a 'techiest' CUV around. Just try it and you will fall in love with it.
  • gene_vgene_v Posts: 235
    40 to 45k. Really?
  • alex789alex789 Posts: 20
    An article is a bit inaccurate. Almost any number in it is wrong (see my comment # 2 and others).
    But 45K, probably, is right.
    Only problem is, that when you said, that fully loaded EX35 cost 15K more than fully loaded Outlander, it sounds like for the same equipment we have to pay 15 grand more. But point is: fully loaded EX has much more than Outlander.
    Technology Package, including: Around View Monitor System (with 4 cameras);
    Lane Departure Prevention System (not just warns you, but automatically applies one side brakes to push you back to your lane);
    Intelligent Cruise Control (also applies brakes, if you too close to a vehicle ahead).
    Just this package alone can cost close to 5K.
    Or Adaptive Front Lightning System (headlamps move in the direction of a turn).
    Or Voice Recognition System.
    Or Bi-xenon Auto-leveling Headlights (against regular xenon headlights).
    Or Leather appointed center console and doors with African Rosewood and Structured Aluminum trim (against cheep kids automobile plastic on the doors of Outlander). And more…

    We know: EX35 will come as Base RWD, Base AWD, Journey RWD and Journey AWD.
    Pricing still is not clear yet, but I do have Sunday issue of Chicago Tribune (Nov., 28) with Jim Matija review on Journey AWD model. It said – 35K. But again - its estimated price.
    A lot of, what fully loaded Outlander has, is a regular stuff, while just standard equipment on Journey AWD is top notch or highest quality, like premium lather and black lacquer trim, or
    Power sliding tinted glass moonroof with one touch open/close/tilt and with sliding sunshade (against regular power sunroof).
    Some standard on Journey AWD equipment fully loaded Outlander does not have at all: LED taillights; Auto dimming mirrors; Power folding/unfolding rear seat.
    Ad to this “Scratch Shield”, special elastic stuff in the finish, which helps erase small scratches in one to seven days and 297 hp engine and will be understandable why better to pay 5K more for EX35 Journey AWD (of cause, if price really will be 35K), than 30K for fully loaded Outlander.
  • alex789alex789 Posts: 20
    Consumer Guide
    Prices Buick Enclave

    2WD CX 32,055/29,971 (invoice)
    AWD CX 34,055/31,841

    2WD CXL 34,255/32,028
    AWD CXL 36,255/33,898

    I learned 2WD CX is the most demanding model and long gone,
    but it was few month ago.
    Pricing is very aggressive to bit MDX and RX.
    Buick is hopping to start new life with Enclave, back to those days when Riviera and Reatta were prestigious cars and
    everybody knew expression 'Buick-Quality'.
    So far, people are very happy with New Enclave.
    I'd say than pay 30K for small RAV-4 (6 cyl.), Santa Fe or
    fully loaded Outlander, maybe make sense to ad 4K for AWD CX, especially, if you have GM MasterCard
  • Actually Outlander does have LED tail lights standard as well, and you can get OEM rear view camera and parking sensors installed by Mitsibishi dealer.

    The AWD Outlander XLS with navigation, sunroof, bluetooth, fast key, keyless start has MSRP of $30k

    According to, base AWD EX35 + navigation, sunroof, bluetooth, fast key, keyless start has MSRP of $46k.

    Of course the EX35 has better interior, more horses and a couple of features such as adaptive front lightning and bi-xenon autoleveling headlights (against regular Outlander xenon headlights), but I am not sure if it all worth extra $16K considering that with EX35 you still getting outdated 5-speed transmission, no music server, shorter warranty, bad mileage (15/22) and premium gasoline.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
  • dodo2dodo2 Posts: 496
    You cannot reasonably compare the basic transportation paradigm, the CRV, to the EX35.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Isn't that a bit like saying I can't compare the Camry with the ES350..??
  • Not really because at least the Camry and ES350 are from the same family.
    The CR-V and EX35 shouldn't share anything, now the CR-V and RDX might share something and the EX35 I guess might share stuff with the Rogue.
  • And on CRV V6 is not even an option
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Oops, so sorry, I was actually thinking Rogue...
  • Was reading your posts and couldn't resist to chime in. We purchased an Acura CLS in 2000 - mainly because we wanted to have the car for a long time with minium problems. We are now on our 4th transmission!!! Honda has tried to keep this one secret, but it is strating to come out. From what I hear from many mechanics (including the dealer's) this is across all Honda lines. It is a continuing problem. They say they changed the transmissions ion 2004, but the mechanics are telling me different - they are seeing alot of them having problems. Also, we recently had a new one - motor mounts. The dealer first tried to tell us this was a normal maintenance item. Since I have owned more than 20 vehicles, and never had this problem, I had a feeling they were full of it. Then I went online I googled (yeah, I know, it's a verb now) "honda acura motor mount" - there were more than a few hits :) When I contacted Acura, they first gave me the same line as the dealer. When I pointed out the unusual nature of this, and the number of problems online, they told me it had to do with a high torque engine, then it was the bad transmission (how's that for a stupid response - one defect leads to another). After "befriending" the Acura "investigator" he broke down and admitted this was a design defect and he was giving me lines from a corporate script. They will most likely be quietly paying for these in the near future - I've already filed compalints with state and federal authorities. As I said - stay away from Honda and Acura. There are a lot more problems I could go over - Honda is very good on damage control.
  • Honda and Acura are on top in JD power and assoc list across the board. While a few models might have had an issue I think that you cant go wrong with Honda or Acura and Hyundia and mitsu are at the bottom of the lists. So you decide.
  • chelentanochelentano Posts: 634
    I would care less for JDPower ratings. They are not independent, but they get paid by car manufacturers for advertising, unlike Consumer Reports. According to Consumer Reports, Mitsubishi Outlander ranked best for 2008 predicted reliability, beating Toyota RAV, Honda CR-V and everything else in the category.

    Small SUV
    Best: Honda Element, Mitsubishi Outlander
    Worst: Dodge Nitro, Jeep Wrangler (four-door)

    Midsize SUV
    Best: Toyota Highlander, Honda Pilot
    Worst: Land Rover Range Rover, Land Rover Range Rover Sport
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