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  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,196
    When I was in high school, a friend's older brother had a Rabbit. We were riding in the car and suddenly heard this huge BANG and the lower left hand corner of the car dropped dramatically. The shock tower broke free and punched through the body. My friend's older brother was cursing up a storm that would make Tony Soprano blush.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I guarantee every GM dealer still offers GM extended warranty for coverage above and beyond the standard 3/36 bumper to bumper and 100k powertrain warranty.

    Oh they definitely do, and frequently try to sell me one, at new car time and afterwards. ;)

    Thirteen cars and 32 years later, I still don't regret never buying one.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    Oh they definitely do, and frequently try to sell me one, at new car time and afterwards. ;)

    IMO, if the powertrain warranty was so great, they wouldn't need to offer more coverage.

    Here's my perspective. If Ford offered the same warranty as GM, I still would have had the same out of pocket costs with my Expedition. The problems I had between 59-90k miles wouldn't have been covered by GM either. Unless GM would have offered "goodwill". Which is always possible, but not something I've ever experienced with Ford or GM.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,051
    Thirteen cars and 32 years later, I still don't regret never buying one.

    I bought an extended warranty on my 2000 Intrepid, a $1205 expense that I never needed to use, once. Its factory warranty at the time was 3/36K bumper to bumper, and after that you were on your own, although I guess emissions were covered for 10/100K, and body rustthrough was probably 5/100K.

    Anyway, this warranty covered the bumper-to-bumper for 5 years/100K miles, with a $200 deductible. It felt good to have, at first, because I blew through the 3/36K part of it in about 13 months. But after that, nothing really broke on the car that was covered by the warranty, or worth it. The thermostat housing, around 51,000 miles, was $210, but I just had my mechanic do that, as he was doing some maintenance stuff on the car, anyway. Also around that timeframe, the door seals started shrinking up, but those weren't covered, and were only about $50 apiece anyway, and could easily be replaced myself. Around 86,000 miles the oil pressure light started coming on, but that was covered under a TSB.

    My driving slowed down in later years, so while the first 36K miles went by in 13 months, I remember it hit 100K on Christmas Eve, 2004, about 5 years, 1 1/2 months after I bought the car.

    They tried to push an extended warranty on me when I bought my Ram, but I know it's not going to get driven enough to make one worth it. I think its powertrain is 5/60K, and bumper to bumper is 3/36K. All the extended warranty packages only pushed it out to 5/100K. At the rate I've been driving, this truck will be lucky to see 30K miles in five years. I've had it almost 4 months, and it's only gone about 1300 miles.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    Thirteen cars and 32 years later, I still don't regret never buying one.

    I'm willing to be you'd still buy a GM car if they didn't offer a warranty at all. Why didn't you buy a Toyota or Nissan back when the offered 5/60k powertrain warranty long before GM or Ford went beyond 36k.

    Likely because you bought the vehicle you wanted despite the warranty deficiency. That's where I'm coming from on the issue.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I was pretty close, or at 60K, when my Cobalt needed a thermostat. It was covered, along with all new coolant (one thing I won't have to do but was thinking about already). Ford would have covered it, but just barely.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,371
    >Honda makes far superior lawn mowers than GM

    What lawnmowers does GM make?

    As for Honda mowers, as the guy that owns one. Fellow across the road had Toros for decades and then decided on a Honda. He buys used Acuras for his vehicles Third season, the lawn guy was using the lawn guy's Toro. The Honda wouldn't work. Same thing happened again this season. I hope neighbor bought an extended warranty with his Honda. Hee, heee. :P
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,371
    > GM dealer still offers GM extended warranty for coverage above and beyond the standard 3/36 bumper to bumper and 100k powertrain warranty.

    It's this kind of misinformation that just keeps on being perpetuated about GM. Old habits are hard to break. The Buick I looked at has 4 yr/ 50,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    Ok. I should have said Chevy. I believe Lincoln also offers 4/50 bumper to bumper. But that still wouldn't get me to buy a Navigator over an Expedition.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    I was joking about the lawn mower.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    I've spent a decent amount of money on widow regulators and hvac controls on my expedition and suburban that aren't covered under a powertrain warranty and failed long before 100k miles.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,371
    >I was joking about the lawn mower.

    I wasn't. He really has had trouble with his Honda mower. Another neighbor who mows the lawn for the Honda owner has to use his 22-25 year-old Toro to mow the lawn.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    My dad has a honda mower and snow blower and my fil has a toro. All have had starting issues due to lack of treating fuel. I had to have the carb rebuilt on my Briggs and stratton powered lawn tractor at two years old. The shop told me ethanol is hell on carburetors if allowed to sit. I installed a fuel cut off and I run the fuel out of the carb and I've not had a problem since.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    You need to roll up and down your own windows, like I do in my Cobalt. ;)
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    Lol. Yeah, my daughters have only seen crank windows are a few times and they had to ask what the crank was for.

    Are crank window available in a cruse?
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I don't think they are available in even the cheapest Cruze, although I'm not sure.

    My daughter (high school sophomore) had a friend who climbed in the back seat last summer and said, "Cool! Crank windows!".

    I remember when power windows in anything but a Lincoln or Caddy was like, "la dee freakin' da!".
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    edited January 2013
    Me too. My grandpa had power windows in a late 60's or early 70's Bonneville coupe he had, but I don't really remember it. His next car with power window was in his 87 caprice. The first car my dad had with power windows was a 92 crown Vic.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    My Dad was a guy who'd say, "Ahh, just something else to break" so he'd never have power windows. He didn't have an automatic transmission until August 1974, and never had A/C until December 1983!

    I think I've become my Dad...sort of!
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,343
    Yes, power windows seem expensive to maintain and repair, and really don't add much function. I'd take the discount if offered for crank windows; unfortunately, most cars today don't offer that.

    As to extended warranties, if I felt I was buying something that would need the use of an extended warranty, I'd probably buy something else.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,051
    My Dad was a guy who'd say, "Ahh, just something else to break" so he'd never have power windows.

    My Granddad was the same way, although the last two vehicles they bought, an '85 LeSabre and '85 Silverado, both had power windows. The LeSabre never had a failure in the 18 years and 157,000 miles we had it.

    However, I do remember the Silverado's driver door motor failed back around 1991, when I was in college. It failed again...I forget when, exactly, but I finally broke down and had it repaired in late 2008. I think I put it off for about a year, maybe a bit longer. And, in late 2011, it failed again. However, this time, the motor still runs, but something came loose. Dunno if I'm going to bother getting it fixed, because it gets driven so rarely these days.

    My other grandparents, on my Dad's side of the family, first got power windows in 1985 as well, on their LTD. Their '89 and '94 Tauruses also had power. Never any failures, but they also never really kept their cars for very long.

    My first power window car was a 1969 Bonneville 4-door hardtop I bought from my cousin for $400 in 1992. Its windows all worked, although the car itself usually didn't. :blush:

    I used to not care so much about power windows versus crank, but now I've gotten so spoiled by them, I've thought about seeing how much it would cost to get my '67 Catalina convertible retrofitted with them. It might not be *that* bad, as I'm sure they put the window switches right where the crank handle would normally be.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,955
    Thinking back about power windows - T-Bird had them of course, Tempo actually had them, Blazer had them, Taurus had them, Horizon didn't - and strangely enough, Ciera didn't - and it was otherwise well equipped (plush interior, wire wheel covers, etc).

    Power windows weren't even possible on a non-grosser MB until around 1970, I think.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,196
    edited January 2013
    Seems like my Dad. He didn't have a car with power windows or an AM/FM radio until he bought his new Ford Thunderbird in 1981.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,175
    No crank windows.

    No Cruise Control available on the Snuze at any pricepoint. Dealer will install if aftermarket if you want it...
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited January 2013
    I'll buy the crank windows, but I doubt the cruise control. I'll check it out myself. My guess is you're not seeing it because it's standard on all but the LS model.

    Did you see how far off-the-chart (the wrong way) the Focus is for problems, if you follow CR? Like 100% off average.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,175
    Then they've added it on. 2011 you couldn't...
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited January 2013
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,175
    YAHOO? lol.

    My proof came straight from a dealer in 2011. No CC available, but would add it on for $525.00... Even said it with a straight face when he told me

    "There is no Standard Cruise Control available in the Chevy Cruze..."

    Maybe they added it on when they redesigned the steering wheels so they wouldn't fall off...
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited January 2013
    You clearly didn't open the link. It was the 2011 Cruze ordering guide, from Chevrolet.

    Your dealer was a putz--clearly a possibility.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,175
    Those yahoo boards are blocked here at work, so it's not that I don't believe you but I personally never use them as a valid source...

    I've done a bit of searching and all I came up with was no Cruise available on "Manual transmission" models. But nothing really directly related, just some Op pieces...
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