Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!





GM News, New Models and Market Share

1103610371039104110421051

Comments

  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    I'd hope you'd go back to the restaurant 35 years later. ;)
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    100K is GM's powertrain warranty on everything they build BTW.

    I got a GM Card flyer today...reminding me that they 'topped off' my current savings to $2K from whatever it was, last month or so. The only two vehicles I can't use that money on? Spark and Camaro ZL-1.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,258
    edited February 2013
    >Man, I feel old...

    I still feel great when I hear Dinah sing that song... Guess I'm there with you on the age?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkzGqzRLq4g

    Less emphatic singing but great giant picture of a '53 as she walks to the performance screen... Full length version.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WK9tfnXMiw

    1961 but no "See the USA". It's a tour of Cobo in Detroit of several 61 Chevies as she sings her way through a theme song of "Chevy is going your way."
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,826
    Ditto. Worked though, I hit all the 49 "continental" states by my 20s.

    Some states got ticked off my bucket list in a 60s Cutlass Supreme, the old '53 Buick, probably my mom's 60s Buick wagons and maybe even in her 60s GMC pickup.

    Moderator
    Need help navigating? stever@edmunds.com - or send a private message by clicking on my name.

  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    58... 59 in October...
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    I would say that timing belts have come a long way over the years and are definitely more reliable than they once were, but I am curious what the manufacturer recommended inspection/replacement period/mileage is, regardless what length of time/miles the warranty coverage happens to be...

    Seems a stretch to expect a timing belt to go 100K, at least in my experience.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    This really shouldn't be any surprise. CUE hasn't been garnering "best" ratings in the reviews I've seen, and its relatively early in its lifetime.

    I would be more surprised if GM said it was perfect and no tuning was required. It took BMW quite a while for iDrive to get where it is now....
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Oh yeah, definitely a good thing.

    GM, nimble? Who'd a thunk it?
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    Thanks for posting, imidazo. Here's a '72 Malibu commercial where they use an updated version of "See the USA..." I always liked their ads showing a clean-cut family, a shiny new Chevy, at an historic or otherwise vacation spot:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd4hLuYNw5A&list=PL326AA34E22531CAC

    Geez, 'see the USA' was used almost two decades, not one like I had mentioned earlier!
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,341
    Brakes at 21K?

    He must be having too much fun driving it.

    No one said going fast was cheap.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    I always liked their ads showing a clean-cut family, a shiny new Chevy, at an historic or otherwise vacation spot:

    That's good clip of 59 Chevy ad. Can't get any more clean cut than all-American guy Pat Boone and lady Dinah Shore.

    Does Chevy or GM have any car commercials as nice as the Subaru being driven up to a cabin by a couple. First, they are with a puppy brown lab. Then next, later, the lab gets a little older. Then, the couple arrives with a very young child and the lab is a little older. Everyone loves a puppy and a dog growing up. Is there anyone who will not like this commercial AND recount that it was Subaru?
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,341
    edited February 2013
    I personally blame Ohioans for my Honda's issues, and hold each and every citizen of the State of Ohio accountable for Honda's lack of MOJO since the introduction of the wonderful new 2003 Accord. :P ;)
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Buick needs to come up with an identity so that they CAN come up with a slogan. Cadillac has finally got some eurosport cred, time to cash in on it. Maybe "Conquer the road" or something, that would work well. That's what the whole ATS campaign did in a nutshell.

    I still think Chevy's "Find new roads" slogan can work really well if used properly, and then "Conquer the Road" for Caddy actually works even better, there's a slight family tie there without being too overt. And in both cases they're hawking the car and the drive, not "heritage" and "USA USA."

    Heritage is when you talk about when you used to be great...meaning you aren't anymore. And when you start waving the flag, you can't even talk about that, so everyone knows it's actually a white flag.

    I can just see modern Chevys and Caddys driving through majestic mountain twisties, through fields of wheat, and corn, along a wide market street, over bridges, beside lakes, through rain and snow, each one an opportunity to show off the different feature sets of the cars.

    It's about the cars, stupid. :shades:
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    I've used this analogy before, but that'd be like not buying a new '65 Mustang because you had a bad new Model A, or not buying a new Accord because your '78 CVCC had big engine troubles and the tops of the front fenders rusted out a la Vegas.

    You're familiar with the concept of a customer for life, we all know this. The polar opposite is to LOSE a customer for life. GM unfortunately did this a lot, and faces a huge challenge in trying to win back some of the customers they've lost. These are churned customers, not just dissatisfied in many case but deeply betrayed. They're the ones that look at you funny when you say that GM has gotten better. They're the ones you have to prove it to. And it's gonna be hard.

    And you think we're tough? We're nothing compared to those guys. :shades:
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Timing belt? This is 2013 guys....timing belt? Really GM? This was a mistake, you've just handed ALL of your competition something to beat you over the head with.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,380
    Brakes at 21K?

    You don't drive an S2000 like a Colbalt. Relax! ;)

    Regards,
    OW
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,380
    Yes, the Sonata was not recommended and placed below the Chevies. I'll get to the reasons in a bit.

    Let's just remember the Optima was recommended. The Malibu or Impala was not.

    Just a guide which I am sure people have a tendency to weigh towards their buying decisions. No affect for fleet sales, however.

    Regards,
    OW
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,754
    That's what the whole ATS campaign did in a nutshell.

    I like the ATS campaign a lot. Much better advertising than usual for GM. Now they should work on Chevy and Buick. Oh, yeah, doesn't Chevy have a new slogan? I don't remember it off the top of my head....
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,341
    100K is GM's powertrain warranty on everything they build BTW.

    Didn't they put an expiration date on SAAB's getting the 100K warranty after the bankruptcy?

    I think you had to buy it pre-bankruptcy to get the right warranty.

    These are minor issues in the grand scheme of things. I'm more worried that a car without brake pads could make it to the dealership without being caught.
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,754
    You're familiar with the concept of a customer for life, we all know this. The polar opposite is to LOSE a customer for life. GM unfortunately did this a lot, and faces a huge challenge in trying to win back some of the customers they've lost.

    I think the problem with the "not buying a '65 Mustang if you had a bad Model T" argument is that it's not about one vehicle, it's about a pattern. One bad experience usually doesn't ruin a reputation unless it's extremely severe. But a bad situation followed by 10, 20, 30 years of poor performance with only occasional fits of brilliance is a pattern. So the analogy about the Mustang isn't really correct, unless there were continuous turds along the way. ;)
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,754
    Timing belt? This is 2013 guys....timing belt? Really GM? This was a mistake, you've just handed ALL of your competition something to beat you over the head with.

    Given how much of the competition uses timing belts, I see it as a non-issue. I don't think I've had a car in the last 20 years WITHOUT a timing belt. If a car is otherwise reliable, then every 80K or so you just take it in, spend $400, and you're done for another 80K. Just like a big brake job or something, not such a big deal.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,341
    I have no issue with a timing belt as long as it lasts at least 85,000 miles for interval maintenance.

    How's the gas mileage and HP/torque ratings?
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,380
    For GM, I like "We are Professional Grade" (although I'm not sure I believe that about the product in a lot of cases)


    Well, there is plain GM junk and then you can upgrade to "Professional Grade" junk. :)

    Regards,
    OW
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,380
    edited February 2013
    I guess a lot of folks "Wouldn't really rather have a Buick" anymore. ;)

    Regards,
    OW
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,341
    Yes, getting an extremely severely bad ownership experience from a Chrysler vehicle was one thing, but having them "STEAL" my tax money without permission was entirely another thing 13 to 14 years after the original purchase mistake.

    So a bad situation followed by poor performance, followed by a bankruptcy and second bailout, indeed fits your pattern.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    Given how much of the competition uses timing belts, I see it as a non-issue. I don't think I've had a car in the last 20 years WITHOUT a timing belt. If a car is otherwise reliable, then every 80K or so you just take it in, spend $400, and you're done for another 80K. Just like a big brake job or something, not such a big deal.

    On the surface I don't have a problem with a timing belt, either, for the reason you stated.

    What I'm curious about is the lifetime of the belt. If (yes, IF) the car has a 100K warranty, but requires the belt to be serviced at the owner's expense while under the warranty period in order to keep the warranty valid, then its theoretically a hidden costs to owning the car... One that a car equipped with a timing chain does not require.

    Some may see that activity as just normal maintenance, but I see it differently. All cars require oil/filter changes, etc., but not all cars require timing maintenance.

    Now, I'm not suggesting potential buyers avoid any car with a timing belt, but I do think they need to understand the extra costs associated with timing belt-driven engines before making their purchase.

    Replacing a timing belt can be expensive...
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    You're familiar with the concept of a customer for life, we all know this. The polar opposite is to LOSE a customer for life. GM unfortunately did this a lot, and faces a huge challenge in trying to win back some of the customers they've lost. These are churned customers, not just dissatisfied in many case but deeply betrayed. They're the ones that look at you funny when you say that GM has gotten better. They're the ones you have to prove it to. And it's gonna be hard.

    I agree.

    Ask any seasoned sales professional/marketing specialist which is less expensive and more efficient: keeping an existing customer or getting a new customer.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited February 2013
    Your argument falls apart, however, by the fact that GM hasn't been building turd diesels for 35 years. The Olds diesel you brought up hasn't been built for 30 years or darn close.
Sign In or Register to comment.