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  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Volt is being built based on a small common architecture.

    It says "will share sheet metal with models sold in other regions". Means that a Chevy Cobalt here may have the same sheet metal as the Opel whatever sold in Europe. Does not say share in same regions but then again it does not say they will not share.

    What years do you think the Regal/Monte/GP ever shared any sheet metal. None ever did.
  • Small common architecture, okay, wonder if this will be the basis of all their new gen hybrids, ie, plug ins. Guess we'll find out as time moves on.

    True, it doesn't say it will not share, which makes you wonder. Different regions of the world I'm okay with, that I certainly can understand so I'm hoping that's the case.

    If you get a chance, check out years '84, '85, and '86. Probably even '81-'83 as well. If there's a way for you to put them side by side, there's no doubt they look a little TOO much a like. You can tell they were built off the same platform with very little difference between them.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    There is no main sheet metal sharing between those vehicles during those years. But they are all similar in size and styling and are too close to each other. I owned a number of those vehicles at one time!!
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    GM officials say the car enjoys a turn rate of about seven days, a brisk
    pace fueled by a combination of its favorable reception and limited
    availability. Turnover is even quicker on the West Coast, where a Malibu
    sits on a dealer lot for roughly six days before being sold.

    Scott Daly, sales manager at Courtesy Chevrolet in Phoenix, AZ, calls
    the reception excellent. “We can’t keep them on the lot,” he says.

    “It’s a winner,” agrees Hank Gaylor, sales manager at Classic Chevrolet
    in Grapevine, TX. “We need more.”

    Mark LaNeve, vice president-sales, service and marketing at GM, says the
    new Malibu drove a 15.0% increase in Chevrolet passenger-car sales in
    November – the sedan’s first full sales month.

    “We thought we would sell 1,000 units, and we actually sold 3,994,”
    LaNeve says during a sales call with analysts and journalists.

    GM hopes the ’08 Malibu will provide a more solid entry into the highly
    competitive midsize passenger-car segment dominated by the Toyota Camry
    and Honda Accord. Early anecdotal evidence suggests Malibu is winning
    conquest sales, LaNeve says.

    “There’s a lot of good stories,” he says. “Dealers tell us, ‘You
    wouldn’t believe who is buying them.’ We think we’ve got a legitimate

    “We’ve said all along (the) perfect Camry and Accord customer who buys
    five in a row is not our target,” he adds. “But the customers who buy (a
    Camry or Accord) that are indifferent, we think we’ve got a shot at
  • Perhaps my mistake in thinking shared sheet metal is synonymous with looks. But therein lies the problem. No shared sheet metal aside, their vehicles back then looked too similar to pick them apart from one another. As time has gone on, they've done a better job but still could do better. Hopefully, taking in the words from the article, they CAN and WILL be able to differentiate their products substantially, even when some vehicles will be built on the same platform. Ought to be interesting.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    The reasons Lutz was brought on was to take care of the product side of GM. How do you think GM has done in the differentiation side since he had input? I see the Malibu/Aura as completely different looking even thought they are both Epsilons. CTS looks very different than anything and the Lamda triplets are pretty differentiated even though I think the Acadia and Outlook could have more styling differentiation and the Enclave is really out there. The Solstice and Sky are somewhat close in styling due to similar proportions yet I think most see a huge market difference. Pontiac is more snarkey and hot rodish while the Saturn has a more made up chrome high end look to it.

    Oh, I almost forgot. I think GM really falls on their face with the SUV/truck differentiation. Why do the GMC and Chevy versions have to share sheet metal???? I would think they could have different fenders and doors. This enough volume out there to support different tools.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Lets hope nothing bad happens between China and US.

    The Detroit-based company will spend about $1 billion a year on car and engine development, production facilities, technical and after-sales support and infrastructure, Kevin Wale, president of GM's China unit, said in an interview in Shanghai.

    GM will sell more than 1 million Cadillacs, Buicks, and other models in China in 2008, a more than 150-fold increase in sales over a decade. Toyota Motor Corp and Volkswagen AG both plan to add production capacity in the country to raise their own sales.

    "Even with this $1 billion a year, it'll still be tough to remain No 1 in China," Ashvin Chotai, a London-based analyst for Global Insight Inc, said. "With China becoming the most important strategic market in the world, it's crucial to have their investment to stay in the race." &CFTOKEN=40713187
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Well the house finally passed a decent energy bill. A little fine tuning to make it feasible and off we go.
  • bumpybumpy Posts: 4,435
    Except for that pesky watered-down-in-the-Senate-then-vetoed thing.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    "Well the house finally passed a decent energy bill."

    Why is it decent? I would agree with your statement if you substituted "flawed" for "decent." I'm concerned that we'll look back and conclude that the new CAFE standard will work little better than the socially engineered failure passed in '75, once the unintended consequences are factored in.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Decent because it made provisions which were not in the original bill that would have made it impossible for full line manufacturers to survive. That was the intent, to force truck makers out of business, but some cooler minds prevailed.

    I have said enough before but true, full line manufacturers in this country would not be able to compete on the car side with those companies that only make cars. Toyota may have survived because they have much money in the bank and the truck side of their business is a very small percentage of their sales.
  • I think he's done a fairly good job at differentiating some of the GM products. Like I may have said before, the G5/Cobalt bear too much of a resemblence to each other, they need to put some more effort in that one. I have to agree with the comparisons you've made, I think you're right on target. I actually think there's enough styling difference between the Outlook and Enclave but it's not a HUGE difference. At least the hp output between the two can be different (270 in the Outlook vs standard 275 in the Acadia). :D

    Since GMC is their exclusive truck division, that should be the one that's 'bolder', has more 'this is what a truck is supposed to be' attitude about it. Same platform between the two is fine but that's the downside of trying to save money, can create too much sharing at times.

    Like others in this post and other posts have said, bring the interiors up to par with their competition and you'll see dramatic forward steps in sales. Too many reports about their interiors being lackluster. I hear the one about the Malibu is good, maybe that will help change the image of GM (Gonnabe Mediocre)
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    I forgot about the G5. That car was brought out to fix a mistake. Pontiac shoulda had a coupe compact. Period. Once GM got lambasted by the pontiac dealers they rushed one into production with new fascias. Hopefully this will be corrected soon with a new vehicle at Pontiac. Perhaps the new Vibe?

    Interiors are also "fixed" since Lutz took over. LaCrosse, while having a not so well styled interior is top notch in quality and materials in it's segment. From then on it got better. SRX, CTS, full size trucks, Lamdas, Aura have all been given Kudos for thier interiors.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,068
    One of the first things I noticed about the LaCrosse was its interior which was much nicer than either the Century or Regal. The interior in my girlfriend's car is holding up well.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Looks like we all better be ready for a new mix of vehicles and some large price increases. Most likey the increase, due to competition, will be closer to $5000. With the increase in aluminum usage (the hybrid SUV's use huge amount of aluminum body parts) aluminum price will skyrocket. As in the 70's HP will greatly decrease to about 1/2 of where it is today. Perfectly acceptable but quite a change in what we are used to.

    SAN DIEGO -- A massive change to General Motors’ future product plans is
    expected if the 35 mpg CAFÉ fleet average favored by Congress is enacted
    into law.

    “The minute we have confirmation of the 35 mpg rule, that is the point
    where we go through all of our forward product plans and probably
    introduce, frankly, massive restructuring of the product plan,” said GM
    Vice Chairman Bob Lutz. “A 35 mpg fleet mix means there is a bunch of
    stuff out there that is going to have to be 40 and 50 mpg.”

    He estimated a $6,000 to $7,000 increase in the price of vehicles
    requiring new technology. GM is offering a two-mode hybrid power system
    in the 2008 Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon, although it has not said what
    the price of the option will be.

    While such vehicles as 2008 Saturn Astra, which goes on sale later this
    month, gets 32 mpg on the highway and could be tweaked to reach 35 mpg,
    he said “there is no way that we’re going to get pickups and sport
    utilities to anywhere close to 35 mpg.” The two-wheel-drive Tahoe with a
    two-mode hybrid system gets 21 mpg city/22 mpg highway.

    Lutz said it is impossible for GM’s Lambda-based crossovers, such as the
    Buick Enclave, to achieve 35 mpg, he said. GM’s plans for larger
    rear-wheel-drive vehicles like a Chevrolet Impala replacement remain
    uncertain, Lutz said.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Finally, some Christmas cheer for those beleaguered execs at General
    Motors Corp.
    Robert A. Lutz fulfilled a pledge to deliver "benchmark" cars after
    being to a top executive in 2001.

    The company finally cracked an exclusive motoring list. And in a big
    GM placed three vehicles in Car and Driver magazine's 10 Best list for
    2008, which appears in the January edition that became available this

    That's fitting, because in 2004 Lutz took over responsibility for GM's
    global product development.

    GM's nameplates on the current list are Chevrolet's Malibu and Corvette
    and the Cadillac CTS

    Alisa Priddle, senior news editor at, said that the
    three GM models are impressive -- especially the Malibu, which she
    tested back-to-back with the Toyota Camry.

    "The Malibu was definitely a better performer than the Camry," she said.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Interesting that there is only a 4 point spread now between Toyota and GM yet GM increase it's percentage 3 points over last year. Huge jump for GM while Toyota did not change. It looks like it was Toyota, GM Honda, BMW, Ford(54.4) and then Chrysler at 50%.

    Toyota Motor Company does a better job than any car company
    in America of keeping its customers coming back, according to data from
    J.D. Power and Assoc. General Motors ranks second in customer retention.

    Among recent new car buyers whose previous car was a Toyota, Lexus or
    Scion 68.9 percent bought another Toyota Motor Co. product. That's
    similar to Toyota's retention rate last year, according to J.D. Power.

    Meanwhile, owners of Chevrolet, GMC, Pontiac, Saab or other GM vehicles
    bought a GM product again 64.7 percent of the time, according to J.D.

    That represent's about a three percentage point improvement over last
    year for GM.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    One thing that came out was that if you look at individual marques like Chevrolet or Pontiac the customer retention does not look that great. This is the data that is published to the media. However the writer of this story was shown the corporate data and found that GM is just under Toyota in retention.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011

    Hows it going pal !!!! Thanks for the article !!!! I have to say something and that is this new CTS, is gotta be one hot seller. I see more 2008 CTS's here in Grand Rapids, Mi. than I do camcords !!!! :surprise: They are everywhere!!!!! :surprise:

    When I make the big bucks like gagrice, when I get older :P then I'm going to have to invest in another "LAC" :shades:

  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Just reporting the facts. No one can seem to make any comments about them though. Too busy complaining about air filters. :blush:
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