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All-New 2009 Toyota Matrix

cklho818cklho818 Posts: 29
edited May 10 in Toyota
Toyota will be debuting their 2009 all-new Corolla and Matrix in Las Vegas at this Halloween.

Wants to see if anybody has any news whatsoever on this. Can't wait anymore!!!

Thanks.
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  • I think the Matrix and Corolla will not very close to these 2 if not entirely identical.

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    Sorry can't make the girl disappear!
  • writerwriter Posts: 119
    The red car is a Yaris Sedan (Hatchback style).
  • Sorry, more like the Auris not the Vitz. My bad!

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  • nilknilk Posts: 3
    Toyota has posted some info on their website:

    http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/matrix/index.html

    It's going to have a 2.4L w/ available AWD.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Here is a better pic:

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  • nilknilk Posts: 3
    Looks like its also going to have an 1.8L as an option. That's good for those of concerned with fuel economy.

    Some more info here:

    http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/31/sema-2007-2009-toyota-matrix-unveiled/
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Wow, fuel economy isn't that great no matter what engine you choose. They could have done better.
    A V6 Accord gets the same or better MPG than the XRS and close to the mileage of even the base model.
  • Wow, what a disgrace. Supposedly, Toyota took an "extra" year to redesign the Corolla. Sill looks boring to me. And no 2-door coupe?? Heading over later this weekend to get my.....2008 Honda Civic COUPE 2-door EX. If that don't work, then there's always the '08 Ford Focus 2-door COUPE. If that don't work either, there's the '08 Saturn Astra 2-door HATCH. If that don't work, there's the '08 Chevrolet Cobalt 2-door COUPE (and Pontiac G5 coupe).
    Corolla is not on my list due to lack of a sporty coupe.
    Toyota is missing a major market here.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    No coupe was ever talked about. That isn't surprising at all.
    People can buy a Civic coupe and it doesn't have anything to do with the Matrix.
  • Supposedly Automobile mag indicated that in 2012, a Corolla coupe is supposed to make a comeback.. I am tired of waiting, ever since the Paseo was killed.

    Corolla/Matrix, same thing to me.

    And what about this "Blade?" I thought Matrix was going to be called Blade.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    I'm pretty sure there is ALSO going to be a Blade, to be released next year. Don't give up on that one yet.

    I agree - the new Matrix is so evolutionary it really doesn't move the desirability quotient up much. I was getting set to be a little sad that my Matrix becomes the "old" model in a few months, but aftr seeing this I won't be sad. I think mine, purchased with the routine discounts there have been the last two years on Matrix, is a better deal than the new one which will probably sell closer to sticker for a while.

    The looks are a little better, apart from that what's to like? I am sure it will gain a couple hundred pounds, so with the base engine it will actually be SLOWER while getting worse fuel economy. There's a win-win, huh?! :-)

    And the 2.4 only comes with an automatic, so it will probably have roughly the acceleration of the 4-cylinder Camry, a model with the same powertrain. There's a thrill ride.

    And you still have to go for the 'S' trim to get the full power package? That's weak, and bodes ill for Corolla. But what really stinks is that the XRS used to be a true sport model. With the '09 it will just be the loaded model.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • carzzzcarzzz Posts: 282
    Does all matrix get double-wishbone rear suspension or just the XRS?
  • aneeshaneesh Posts: 43
    Matrix has a passing resemblance to Saturn Astra........and the Corolla is just not pretty!!!
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Toyota will be debuting their 2009 all-new Corolla and Matrix in Las Vegas at this Halloween.

    Are you sure it is ALL NEW?
    There isn't ONE part in common from the 2008 to the 2009?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    Didn't see the double wishbones mentioned anywhere - are you sure the XRS will have them? Where did you see that? That would be one genuine improvement from the old XRS.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • nilknilk Posts: 3
    The fuel economy is the same as the previous generation. My concern was they were going to offer only the 2.4L, like was done with the Scion xB. The Matrix w/ 1.8L isn't class-leading in fuel economy, but at least they are still offering it.

    But yeah, I wish they could have at least matched the mileage of the current generation Corolla.
  • Has anyone been able to tell from pictures or other sources if the rear liftgate will still have the separate liftglass? It isn't clear from the photos I've seen, but it doesn't appear to be there.

    I'm also curious what they mean by "roof rack accommodations" on the Toyota website.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    I heard it was getting axed, before any of the recent announcements. Seems surprising though, given that it is pretty popular and has just been ADDED to the Highlander, so it seems they know people like it.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Is the fuel tank larger on the AWD, same size or smaller as it was on the last gen Matrix?
  • irismgirismg Posts: 345
    In my opinion, that front end is ugly beyond belief. Made an unattractive car even worse. :(
  • I think I can answer my own question: no liftglass. Pontiac's website has a preview of the '09 Vibe and clearly shows the inside of the hatchback with no hinges or struts on the rear window. Given that the Matrix has essentially the same body, it seems unlikely that the Matrix would retain the liftglass when the Vibe does not.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    I thought they parted ways after 2005, each taking over the evolution of their own version of the platform? If so, then stuff like the liftglass could easily be different between Vibe and Matrix. And given the fact that Toyota has just introduced liftglass on the Highlander, I can't imagine they would remove it from the Matrix for the redo.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    NUMMI is still a partnership. Matrix and Vibe are still twins.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    Matrix was never built at NUMMI. Matrix and Vibe are not currently twins, as Toyota has done some minor mechanical upgrades and of course has changed the interior and the exterior cosmetically.

    To rephrase the question I posed: did GM and Toyota collaborate on the second generations of thse two models? I had not heard that, so I wonder. GM has proposed offering a Vibe GT with the 260 hp turbo four from the Sky/Solstice and other GM models. There is certainly no such thing proposed for the Matrix (the XRS trim will get the larger NA engine from the Camry).

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Matrix was never built at NUMMI. Matrix and Vibe are not currently twins, as Toyota has done some minor mechanical upgrades and of course has changed the interior and the exterior cosmetically.

    Corolla, Tacoma and Vibe are all produced at the Fremont NUMMI plant.
    Two of the vehicles coming down the lines are Toyota's with the Vibe is essentially a Toyota in GM clothing.

    What mechanical upgrades does the Matrix have that the Vibe does not? Minor or major?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,695
    Well of course, there was the TSB and later production change to the twilight sensor in the Matrix that the Vibe never got (headlights flicking on and off every time you went under a tree, it was really annoying in the early Matrixes, thank goodness Toyota offered a fix).

    Toyota updated the internals of the manual transmissions in 2005 after there began to be reports of premature failures. Indeed, some of that is detailed in the transmission woes thread right here. Nuttin' for the Vibe.

    At the auto show yesterday there were both '09 Matrix and Vibe on display, both roped off so one could not get too close. But the glass is different, as is the shape, between the two, and that's just gleaned from a quick once-over on opposite sides of the show. I think the twins have been separated for good.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • Worst looking car thus far!!
  • ANY IDEAS HOW MUCH WILL THIS NEW COROLLA BE?
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Matrix. Not Corolla.
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