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Honda Accord (2008-2012) Maintenance and Repair

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  • 2hondaguy2hondaguy Posts: 14
    edited November 2012
    Still driving my 2008 EXL-V6. Original tires replaced at 50,000 miles. Rear brakes replaced at 49,000, and still drving on original front brakes with 61,000 miles. I am what i call light on the brakes. Hit on the Honda Rep, mention the previous class action law suit regarding brakes. maybe you can get them to help pay for some of the brake job. Keep receipts if they don't help. There could always be another class action suit against Honda.

    When my rears were replaced i was told that there were "clips" installed to help keep the pads away from the rotors. This was the fix according to my Honda mechanic who knows his business. OEM pads were used which i believe are ceramic. Rotors were not turned.

    Good luck with the brakes. Other than this issue i still think you are driving one of the best cars for the money on the market.
  • I'm not going to let this singular issue tarnish my general impression of the car. I agree that the Accord is still one of the best cars going. I just have an issue with handing money over to Honda for an issue that's been ongoing since the release of the gen 8's. My brother owns an auto repair shop and has quoted me $264 for new rotors and ceramic pads. I'll get it done next week and that should hold me until I get my 2014 or 2015 Accord Touring model. I hope they keep the Touring addition around that long, checked out a few and they are really sweet.
  • Considering the hundreds of complaints on the internet about the front seats in the 08 to 12 Accords being very uncomfortable, I was wondering if anyone has received any satisfaction from Honda re this issue! My wife owns a 2011 and the seats are very hard and will cause back pain. Did not realize how bad they were until we took a long trip recently.

    Thanks
  • I doubt Honda would ever admit there ever has been an issue with their seats. You could ask in the seats thread: http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f194d64/210!make=Honda&model=Accord&ed_ma- keindex=.f194d64 . I didn't take a long enough test drive and found out the next day after buying mine how painful they are. In the seats thread you will find instructions from people that have disabled their active head restraints and that has helped. My wife doesn't have any problems with the seats so doing anything drastic is out. I finally bought a $60+ Tempurpedic lumbar support pillow and it has helped quite a bit. Instead of putting the curved surface facing my back, I have the flat surface towards it. It takes up the space from the seat bottom to the spot where the active head restraint bar hits me in the back. Now that cold weather is here the memory foam is a brick and I need to thaw it out holding it up to the vents with the heat blasting. I have read how people have just given up and traded for something else. My car is paid for and I don't want another car payment, so I just deal with it. Fortunately I have another car and a pickup that don't kill my back, so my wife can drive our 08 since her back doesn't mind it.
  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    What do you think? Should I buy a brand new 2012 ? My 2001 Accord has no rust, drives like a dream, and has 125,000 miles. The original front brakes lasted 75,000 miles, and the original rear brakes are still in place (I often use the manual transmission to lower the speed though).

    On one side the car is old (time wise), has no side airbags, and might need some repairs soon. On the other side it was unbelievably reliable (almost no repairs in 12 years), babied, dealer maintained, rustproofed, etc.

    Am I looking for trouble ? My 2001 looks willing to go for longtime. Any advice ?
  • Don't do it. Honda has become a marketing based company - abandoning their prior focus on pure engineering. I have a 2011 EXL V-6 Coupe (Manual) with 36000 miles and I hate it. Tons of rattles and noises (dealer's been great but it persists)- car is geared way too short yet gets crappy mileage (averaging 23 mpg on 90 percent hwy commute-my 2004 V-6 Coupoe avgd 27 on same cycle). Just not happy and, as nice as the new ones look, Motor Trend said "you'll never have any fun in it."

    Keep your old one or go look at another brand. I've been a Honda loyalist since my first car in 1991 but this will be my last and I'm gonna get out of it as early as I can.
  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    Your manual V6 is a 6-speed, not 5-speed, right ? The new 2013 manual Accord is 6-speed too. This terrifies me, and is the only reason for thinking at trading (and getting one of the last 5-speeds (2012)). Did it ever occur to you to mix the 6th speed with R (reverse) ?

    For instance, when switching from 5th to 6th, could you put it in R (by mistake, because you pushed too much to the right ) ? Or when switching from 4th to 5th, could you push too much to the right, and reach the R level ? I always loved my 5-speed setup (the double-H layout).

    I really love my manual 4cyl 2001, and would like to keep it.
  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    Also, if you are still here, I don't know why you say:
    "car is geared way too short YET gets crappy mileage ".

    Cars geared short, keep the engine at higher RPM at a certain car speed, so always get crappy mileage. To save gas, the idea is to have the engine at the lowest possible RPM. Probably they wanted it sporty. Which is childish. You can always downshift if you want to waste gas, and pollute the planet.

    What is your RPM at 75 miles/hour ?
  • I'd say keep your old car. Are the repairs it will need just normal wear and tear items? A few repairs are a lot cheaper than a new car. There have been a few times I sold a car to only regret it later. I have an 08 LX with a 5spd. manual tranny. I had problems with it grinding and popping out of 3rd gear. Problem solved with BG Syncroshift 2 gear lube. Best shifting manual I've ever owned. It would take a little getting used to driving a 6 speed. As to having a car geared "short", I have a 01 Nissan Sentra SE with a very gutsy 2.0 and 5 speed manual. It turns 3750rpm at 70mph on interstate, but will still get a respectable 31mpg. Sporty - yes. Childish? I guess that's a matter of opinion. I like having torque right then and now when I go to merge on interstate and if I want to pass on the highway I don't have to bother to downshift. It did take me a while after I bought it to get used to the hum of the motor, I kept thinking I needed to shift up even though I was already in fifth. I bet if it was geared like my Accord it would get upper 30's. If polluting the planet is a major concern for you, a new Accord probably has less emissions than your 01. I think they have cleaned up the emissions quite a bit. As for me, I'm on the fence whether I would buy another Accord. The third gear issue and the way the dealer treated me, door seals shrinking and pulling out, squeaky glove box door were bad enough. The worst part has been the back pain from the seats. I would advise you to rent one and take it for an extended drive to see if you like it or not. Good luck whichever road you pursue!
  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    Thanks icyou812, that's actually very good advice. The back pain would be a major problem for my wife. Me too I dislike dealing with car dealers. That's why I kept my previous car (Volvo 240 wagon) till 18 yrs old. I traded it for $20. It's very likely I will keep this 2001 Accord for 18 years too. So I would have to step into a car showroom just once more, 6 years from now (for the rest of my life). This looks good.

    About your car, popping out of the 3rd gear, this looks like a major safety concern to me.

    About my 2001 Accord, it requires no repairs of any kind right now. It actually drives like a dream. They offered me $1,000 for it (?!?!?!).

    Thanks again
  • hondalovahondalova Posts: 189
    edited December 2012
    Not sure - haven't driven since I saw your post - but if I recall correctly, at 80 mph, I'm just shy of 3000 rpm (like ~2850 - 2900 or so). The problem is, at 45 mph, I'm around 2400 rpm in 4th gear and 1900 rpm in 5th gear. Every 4 cyl. Accord I've owned previously (all 5 spd. manuals), my 1999 Nissan Maxima GXE (5 spd. manual), as well my 2004 EXL V-6 (6 spd. manual) were all at around 2000 rpm at 45 mph in 4th. So, while its very peppy when I pull out from a corner onto the main road, I have to run the 1st three gears quick and then settle into 4th and then 5th almost immediately. This is a not a car you windout 2nd or even 3rd gear in. Plus, I've sensed some slippage under hard acceleration in 3rd gear but haven't been able to reproduce it for the dealer.

    What I wish, was that 1st thru 4th were a little bit longer, with 5th at or a little longer than 1.0:1 for use above 50 mph and 6th a 60 mph and over gear. With so many American highway speed limits at 65 mph and above across the USA today, there's no reason I should be solidly in 5th gear already at 45 mph.

    Then there's the rattles - I've had the package shelf issue (dealer largely fixed but still getting a pneumatic sounding "cushhhhh" sound from that area) and numerous internal rattles (headliner clips along the top of the passenger door headliner edge, glove-box, rear shelf cross-rods in trunk, cyclops light tabs, sunglasses case, and passenger side vanity mirror cover-door, to name most but not all).

    Finally, there's the mileage. In this world, with gas prices skyrocketing, how Honda could put out a car that gets 4 mpg LESS than their previous generation version on the exact same commute, is just astonishing. And yes, I'm well aware of the change in the EPA test cyle and the need to break the car in, etc. Car has 35000 miles on it since May, 2011 and I'm struggling to average 23 mpg on a more than 90% highway commute. I am not a heavy throttle person, though I do tend to move with traffic on the highway. Simply unacceptable from a car that, even under the NEW cycle is rated 19/26 when the old car was averging 26.5-27 mpg real world on the same commute. Even on a long (500 mile) trip, I only averaged 24.5 mpg where I had averaged 30+mpg with the old car only a year earlier.

    Wish I'd kept my old 2004 - I loved that car and got rid of it only b/c at 170,000 miles, it was starting to burn oil and I was still on the original clutch. Thought the $$$ would be better spent on a new car than repairs and boy was I wrong. :(

    -FS
  • jodar96jodar96 Posts: 396
    I say they are decent cars and are worth keeping.

    I bought a 2009 Accord EX-L 5 speed with 34K miles in Nov 2011 and I am happy with the car. I think I am OK with the seat comfort. They are not great and that push at your lower back is a crazy design and if it gets to me I know how to fix it by taking the back cover off and messing with plastic back plate and cables. It gets 34-35mpg on hwy driving.

    It drives and handles better than Camry and Altima. I drove them both. At 50K, it has the original well worn tires and brakes. I have done oil changes, air and cabing filter change and tire rotations myself. I just changed the battery on my own before it has a chance to act up in freezing winter.

    This car is very trouble free compared to let's say a 2008-2010 BMW 528i that I am been watching for a while. Those cars have battery draining and water pump issues. most carfax report on used ones show multiple trips to dealership for issue.

    Hondas are STILL very reliable compared to so many cars out there and have umatched high resale value.

    Joe
  • $1000 trade in? Wow, that's an insult! :P They think a sucker is born every minute. The third gear issue was frustrating. It started at only 5k miles, and only whenever it felt like it. Dealer couldn't reproduce it. It exhibited the same symptoms many Civic Si and Accord coupe's had with their 6 spd. transmissions. Got the runaround from the dealer until I talked to Honda of America customer service. I finally put in BG Products Syncroshift 2 synthetic gear lube and it has shifted smooth as silk since then. I have not been back to that stealership since! I have a local trusted shop take care of it now. Whenever I'm back in the market for another car I will be checking out the Nissan dealer where I bought my Sentra (it was the second one I bought from them). They were no nonsense easy going folks. I didn't try to lowball them and made a fair offer and told them I was willing to buy that day. Salesman only went to the manager once and came back to shake my hand. These were super clean low mile used vehicles. I will give them a shot if I decide to buy a new car in the future.
  • I don't think you can hit reverse when trying to go into 6th - I believe there is a lockout function that prevents this from happening when the car is moving forward at more than a couple of mph (not that I've ever tried it as I want to keep my tranny IN my car and not out on the ground). I know that, when I'm standing still, I can't put it in "6th" - only in reverse and when I'm moving, I can't put it in reverse, only 6th.

    This is not a problem and, if that's the only reason you're avoiding a six-speed manual, you are worrying about a non-issue.
  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    edited December 2012
    You are right. I test drove a 2013 6-speed manual transmission. The whole "R" branch of the gears layout disappears when the car is moving forward. You cannot push the lever to the right more than the 5th-6th level. So it's safe.

    I still don't understand why they build a 6-speed gearbox though (given that the 6th speed of a 6-speed gearbox has the same ratio as the former 5th speed of the older 5-speed gearbox). You have to shift more often, without getting any extra ratio. It may be a stupid marketing thing. Showing off that ... wow ... I have a 6-speed now !!!
  • You got it brother. What they've done is to simply cram the ratio spread of a 5 spd. with 6 gears instead of keeping the original five ratios and making a 6th "super-overdrive" gear that would solve almost all of the mileage problems this car has without the need for expensive and complicated cylinder deactivation systems. If the gear ratio spread were just a smidge bigger in every gear from 2nd to 6th, this car would easily get 28-30 mpg on the highway, even with the 271 hp. V-6 and no cylinder deactivation.

    I might add that such systems usually don't do squat to improve mileage if you travel in traffic, even at hwy. speeds, b/c the minute you touch the throttle, all 6 cylinders reactivate. So, if your commute is made in traffic where you are constantly managing the throttle up/down 2-3 mph to avoid a collision with closely packed cars around you, you don't get the mileage advantage. It only works if your commute allows for long stretches of hwy. speed on cruise control - otherwise you are never in cylinder deactivation mode.
  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    I agree. All 6 cylinders permently fired, and a gear box keeping the engine at a lower RPM, would be better.

    The reason I am driving a manual is because when I put the car in a certain gear, I feel the engine rigid coupled with the road. I get absolute constant power. I feel connected to the road. No computer driven power change of any kind. What they did was to add 2 layers of software between my engine and the road. One is the computer driven automatic transmission. The 2nd software layer is the cylinder deactivation software. Why in the world would I want 2 extra computers between me and the road ?!

    If I want to buy computers, I go to a computer store. I definitely don't go to a car dealership. It's funny they keep adding computers in cars. I think they got it all wrong. They think we want computers, not cars.

    In the new 2013 Accord they removed money from steering (hydraulic steering replaced by cheaper electric steering), they removed money from suspension (fancy double wishbone front suspension replaced by cheaper MacPherson struts), and they pumped money into electronic gadgets ! Why do they think we want to buy electronic gadgets from a car dealership ?! It beats me.

    I can type this text, safely from home, on one of my 3 computers. Why would I need more computers in my garage ?!
  • 2008 Accord LX-P, four cylinder, Auto trans. 56k miles. Original owner.

    I was coming home from work when I stopped to fill up the gas tank. I left the head lights on and the battery has reached its useful life. When I went to start the car, it cranked slower, of course the battery is shot, but it did start. As I pulled away from the pump, there was some jerkyness. Then the Check Engine Light came on. I figure the lower voltage of the battery was the cause and I stopped the car, and shut if off to see if the light would go out. It didn't. Then, as I traveled down the road just a bit, the VSA lights came on. A couple of more shut down and restarts didn't help. The car runs rough as though it is only running on a couple of cylinders.

    My guess as of today is that the emission equip has taken a hit, and/or the computer.. I can't read the codes until I get a new reader. My 2003 Acton will not link up and read the codes. I charged the battery up last night and problems still exist.

    I am going to try and borrow a reader to see what I can gather for additional information. I posted a similar note last night under Questions, but I can't find it and any possible replies.

    Any thing that I should be testing first? Thanks. :-(( :sick:
  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    I forgot to mention removing the money from the transmission (gear transmission replaced by a cheaper belt transmission (CVT)).

    Funny stuff: instead of saying: "put the car in gear", owners of the new 2013 Accord should say: "put the car in belt" ! Yeah ... but they have computers ...
  • There are many types of CVT transmissions and not all use belts. Looking at the Toroidal type that Nissan has used it looks as complex as any set ratio auto tranny. Check out the variety in use or developement at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuously_variable_transmission
  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    Interesting article. It doesn't say which kind the 2013 Accord uses though. It may be confidential. People could get scared.

    What bothers me is the fact that money moves out from what used to be a car (steering, suspension, transmission), into electronic gadgets. While I am typing this, I see at the top of this webpage "The all-new Accord" advertisment. It says: "With a standard rearview camera". Wow !!! How impressive !!! It has a camera, like any cheap cell phone I could buy at the local grocery store ! The fundamentals, like Honda legendary reliability, double wishbone suspension, etc, don't matter anymore. Only the electronic gadgets matter.

    Did somebody see the "Idiocracy" movie ?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

    I am afraid we are going in that direction.

    Peace
  • wayne21wayne21 Posts: 230
    "What bothers me is the fact that money moves out from what used to be a car (steering, suspension, transmission), into electronic gadgets. While I am typing this, I see at the top of this webpage "The all-new Accord" advertisment. It says: "With a standard rearview camera". Wow !!! How impressive !!! It has a camera, like any cheap cell phone I could buy at the local grocery store ! The fundamentals, like Honda legendary reliability, double wishbone suspension, etc, don't matter anymore. Only the electronic gadgets matter. "

    THANK YOU. I was beginning to think I was the only one seeing this. It's almost like buying a bunch of electronic gadgets (that you may or may not want) with a car attached to it. I think this is one of the reasons so many of the carmakers have gone to such cheap quality interiors - they had to do it to pay for electronic toys.
  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    Funny idea ! Electronic gadgets with a car attached to it. You made me laugh. Priceless.

    Cheapening the interiors was the first step, many years ago, when cars had just a few electronic gadgets. These days, the 2013 Accord has way too many gadgets. They needed way more money. So they cheapened the fundamentals (steering, suspension, transmission). This provided enough money to finance all the electronic toys, and also some interior improvements (the 2013 Accord interior is more luxurious than the 2012). If this continues, you may get a luxurious leather sofa, with all the imaginable electronic toys. No car though. Exactly like my living room. Comfort and toys. Static.
  • I have now had my 2013 Honda Accord V6 with Navi. While I get excellent mileage with the ECO button on, I tend to agree with your analysis. The most frustrating issue is that much of the technology gadgetry does not enough work properly. For example, every time I make or receive a call from my car, the car may automatically put the audio on MUTE (happens if I touch the volume control, and sometimes when I touch nothing). Additionally, the media play devices are also very unreliable and work intermittently -- especially Pandora, and the Aha media is just a joke as it is not the actual Aha media player. But worst of all, my Navigation system response is incredibly slow -- much slower than my 2010 Accord and 2006 Civic. So for all the technology and gadgetry they added, those aren't even of high quality. But my dealership says Honda knows the issues and will probably release a software update . . . we'll see.
  • 74357435 Posts: 39
    Please tell me the required maintenance for my 43,000 mile auto.
    I have had to change the brakes front and rear and have changed the brake fluid at the 2. year mark.
    when is the radiator, transmission, power steering and whatever i have left out require flushing or draining and refilling? in miles? or years?
    i think the manual says it will show up on the odometer screen . but i have never seen a code to tell me.
    thanks in advance.
    i would be happy to receive an e-mail if i am allowed to put my email address on the discussion board.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,692
    No, don't post your e-mail in *any* public forum!

    Here's what you need to do at the 45,000 mark:

    Service Details

    Service due at 45,000 Miles
    Action: Description
    Inspect/Adjust/Change Alignment (optional)
    Inspect/Adjust/Change Inspect charging system and belts
    Inspect/Adjust/Change Service front and rear brakes
    Inspect/Adjust/Change Inspect hoses
    Inspect/Adjust/Change Rotate and balance tires
    Inspect/Adjust/Change Inspect front and rear brakes
    Inspect/Adjust/Change Inspect drive shaft boots
    Inspect/Adjust/Change Inspect exhaust system
    Inspect/Adjust/Change System Road Test
    Inspect/Adjust/Change Replace drain plug washer
    Inspect/Adjust/Change Inspect and Top Up all fluid levels
    Inspect/Adjust/Change Inspect tire pressure, lights, horn, and wipers
    Inspect/Adjust/Change Replace engine oil and filter

    For further lists/mileages, try THIS WEBSITE and click on "service and repair" and insert the mileage schedule you wish to know about.

    MODERATOR --Need help with anything? Click on my name!

  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    Interesting. I didn't know that. So they replaced sound mechanical engineering, with bug prone electronic gadgets. It's even funnier.

    Finally between "To keep, or not to keep", I decided to "not to keep". I traded my old & faithful 2001 Accord, for the last 2012 manual 4-door Accord in Eastern Canada (5 states). I had to drive over 550 miles one-way to get it (no dealer in my area had any 2012 manual leftovers). It drives OK, I would say. It's a bit noisier than the 2001 though. Road noise is a bit louder (Dunlop tires ??), and at low speed (1st and 2nd gear) there is a faint whining (from the engine or the gear box, I don't know). At higher speeds either it dissapears, or it's covered by the road / wind noise. My wife was impressed. She likes it. Me too I like it. I may actually like that faint whining.

    Obs: installing the manual gear shift lever turned to the right (at an ~ 30 degrees angle) is really a weird idea. I say "weird" to be polite. It really shows that the desire to change became absurd. They make changes, when absolutely no change is required. The ideal car was manufactured in the past. It's not in the future. It's a pity I cannot post here the picture of the shifter lever. When I saw it for the 1st time I asked the dealer if somebody rolled over the car, and the gear shift got bent. He said: "no, this is an improvement" ...
  • rodutrodut Posts: 343
    This discussion group is dead !
  • Maybe no one's car is having problems? Other than a new battery, mine hasn't been giving me grief....(fingers crossed)
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