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Ford Edge SYNC Bluetooth SiriusXM Audio Questions

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  • jeyhoejeyhoe Posts: 490
    Ford + Microsoft =

    Fill in the blank yourselves.

    I guess Ford will leave satelite communications (OnStar) to GM, back-up cameras to GM and everyone else, hybrid and high mileage vehicles to GM and Toyota, but hey, wanna talk to your car and have it misunderstand most of what you say? Ford's got a $750 better idea.
  • hardhawkhardhawk Posts: 702
    GM can keep OnStar, the "big brother" spy that is always watching, tracking and listening to you. Ford has backup cameras on certain models as well as makes Hybrids. If you don't want SYNC don't check that option box. I don't think it is $750 to add either, but since it was standard on the Edge we have ordered I can't say for sure. If you read the forums on GM you will see that they are losing quite a number of possible sales due to not having Bluetooth compatibility, which most people would rather have than the proprietary OnStar system.
  • jeyhoejeyhoe Posts: 490
    All cars have a Big Brother box in them these days. At least with OnStar, you get some value out of it. (BTW, On Star is NOT always watching and listening to you.)

    I know Ford makes hybrids - ONE to be exact (can't count the Escape and Mariner as TWO). GM will have hybrid Chevy Tahoes in '08. Over 20mpg in the city in a Tahoe - look for Expedition sales to sag even further. I didn't know of any Fords that have B/U cameras. WHich do?

    It'll cost $750 to get Sync on the Edge because it requires the convenience package.

    I'll take your word that folks are not buying GM cars cause they can't hook their bluetooth phones into the radio. Seems silly to me.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    This post is a perfect example of someone making up things and pushing them off as facts. Perhaps you should work for Fox News.

    1. OnStar is not and never was a "satelite communications" system. Its a cell phone built into the car. As GMs cell network provider switches to all digital, customers with the older OnStar analog only system will be left in the cold. And the new OnStar system will only work where there is digital coverage.

    FACT: Sync will work where ever your Bluetooth compatible phone works. That includes Canada, Mexico, etc.

    2. Back-up Cameras? you obviouly have not driven a 2008 Ford F-150, Super Duty, Expedition, or Lincoln Mark LT or Navigator.

    3. Hybrid and High Milage vehicles? GMs "Mild Hybrid" system is a joke. The 08 Chevy Malibu Hybrid is rated at 24 City and 32 Hwy. Whats the Point? Ford Fusion 4 cylinder is 20 city, 28 hwy. You are talking an annual cost difference of $272.00. Malibu Hybrid TMV is $22,720. Ford Fusion SE has a TMV of $19,426.00. Thats a Difference of $3,300! You'll have to drive that Malibu 12 years!!!! to make that money back in fuel economy savings.

    3. Sync is standard on top trim levels and optional for under $400.

    :P

    Mark
  • steevosteevo Posts: 330
    Is Sync "handicapped" if on a car without NAV?
  • Hey Mark, do you know if Lincoln is going to offer xenon headlamps on the MKX? Thanks
    steve
  • jeyhoejeyhoe Posts: 490
    "This post is a perfect example of someone making up things and pushing them off as facts. Perhaps you should work for Fox News."

    Oh, they took my response to this off, saying I broke the rules by dissing the writer of this. Hmmm, I thought they had taken his off as well, since the above statement clearly calls me a liar. But I guess I, like Fox News, am fair game.

    Well, hopefully I'll be more diplomatic this time, and I will start by merely saying with all due respect that mschmal doesn't know what he's talking about when he says:

    "1. OnStar is not and never was a "satelite communications" system. Its a cell phone built into the car. As GMs cell network provider switches to all digital, customers with the older OnStar analog only system will be left in the cold. And the new OnStar system will only work where there is digital coverage."

    OnStar most certainly is a satellite communications system as one can readily verify merely by going to wikipedia or 'Ask'ing about OnStar (I dont do Google)

    As for what sync works with, several messages on here will vouch that it doesnt seem to work at all with some of the advertised phones and some folks have been told to buy new phones to work with sync. Good luck with that.

    As for backup cameras, mscmal says:

    "2. Back-up Cameras? you obviouly have not driven a 2008 Ford F-150, Super Duty, Expedition, or Lincoln Mark LT or Navigator."

    And he's right, I haven't driven either of these 2 vehicles, which are really basically only 1 vehicle, but why quibble? My point was that Ford is way behind everyone else in using back-up cameras and this post helps make my point. Many lesser priced cars, including the Toyota Prius and Highlander, have B/U cameras and the Highlander in fact it is standard equipment.

    Mschmal goes on:
    "3. Hybrid and High Milage vehicles? GMs "Mild Hybrid" system is a joke. The 08 Chevy Malibu Hybrid is rated at 24 City and 32 Hwy. Whats the Point? Ford Fusion 4 cylinder is 20 city, 28 hwy. You are talking an annual cost difference of $272.00. Malibu Hybrid TMV is $22,720. Ford Fusion SE has a TMV of $19,426.00. Thats a Difference of $3,300! You'll have to drive that Malibu 12 years!!!! to make that money back in fuel economy savings"

    Laughable. GMs system is a "joke"? Really? 20% increase in gas mileage is a joke? I dont think so. Especially with gas about to cross $4.00/gallon where I live. Ford has ONE vehicle with hybrid tech. Billy Ford promised oodles of hybrids. That is pretty far behind the curve of the rest. Ford will still be selling 12/16 mpg rated Expys in the fall while GM will have it's 22/22 or thereabouts hybrid Tahoe. Excuse me, but 22mpg city in a Tahoe is just what the Dr ordered for a huge number of soccer moms etc. I think predicting big success for the Tahoe, assuming they can make enough of them, would be a pretty good bet.

    Finally he says, without counting:
    "3 (sic). Sync is standard on top trim levels and optional for under $400. "

    This is supposd to rebut my mentioning that it costs $750 to get sync in an Edge. HAHAHAHA I see, so IF you pay an extra several $1000 to get the top trim, then sync is std? Great. How does that change the fact however that sync costs $350 and requires the convenience package which is $395? (or vice-versa)

    Now who's making stuff up? Me and Fox or mscmal and Dan Rather?

    Finally, IMHO, sync may bring a lot of young folks to Ford but I think it's going to be a maintenance and CR nightmare for a year or two. But I'm probably just making that up.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    But I guess I, like Fox News, am fair game.

    I think we'd better stay out of the cable channel wars before folks like Keith Olberman and John Gibson jump into the fray! :)

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    Sync is completely voice activated once your phone is paired.

    The navigation system, while it shows you more of whats going on, actually gets in the way.

    For Instance with have you have to do the following voice commands to phone home.

    1. Phone
    2. Call Home.

    Without Nave, you just use the command "Call Home".

    To play the track "Life is a Highway"

    With Nav:
    "User Device"
    "USB"
    Play Track "Life is a Highway"

    Without Nav:
    "USB"
    Play Track "Life is a Highway"

    If the last command you gave was for USB than you can skip that command.

    Mark
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    I apologize for that cheap shot. I was trying to be funny. Thats probably why I don't try to make my living as a commedian.

    1. OnStar DOES NOT use any satellites for communication. Here is GM's page http://www.gm.com/explore/education/9-12/technology/onstar_gps.html.

    2. I was refering to the Mild Hybrid system used in the Malibu and Saturn "green line" vehicles. The Tahoe and its brothern will be using a totally different "two mode" system. As for whether this will be a success or not, we still don't have prices or fuel economy figures.

    If you have to pay more to buy the hybrid then you'll ever save through fuel economy in the time you own the car then IMHO the all you are getting is HYPE!

    Mark
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    MKX offers Adaptive steering headlamps in the Ultimate Pkg.

    Right now HIDs do not appear to be in the future.

    Mark
  • jeyhoejeyhoe Posts: 490
    "I apologize for that cheap shot. I was trying to be funny. Thats probably why I don't try to make my living as a commedian."

    OK, cool. Bill Maher should've been something else too.

    OnStar communications is by cell phone. GPS operations of course is satellite.

    Certainly the cost of hybrids over non has to be factored. I tried to justify turning my Lincoln LS (22mpg) into a Prius (45mpg?) and found it would be close to 10 years til I made up the diff in cost. That was a good answer for me :)
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    If you have to pay more to buy the hybrid then you'll ever save through fuel economy in the time you own the car then IMHO the all you are getting is HYPE!

    Read the last sentence of this review. If C&D is right about the price then these GM beasts are HYPE X 2!!!
  • jeyhoejeyhoe Posts: 490
    Yeah, 50% better gas mileage than a non-hybrid Tahoe. That's hype all right.
  • baggs32baggs32 Posts: 3,209
    Yeah, and if it starts at $48k as predicted that's $13k MORE than a gas only Tahoe. That makes the time to recover the purchase price difference out of reach which was the point of this line of discussion.

    Did you read how they only managed 12 mpg in the gas Tahoe? Just in case you didn't, they drove it like a drag racer and used the remote start "a lot". EPA says 14 in the city.

    So assuming 12k miles driven per year, $3 per gallon of gas, 14 mpg average for the gas Tahoe (which is still probably low but I don't have better numbers for either at this point) and 18 mpg average for the Hybrid Tahoe it would take just over 22 years to make up the difference in purchase price with gas savings alone. That does not factor in replacement battery packs, which are usually required every 10 years at a cost of roughly $6k+ (not covered by warranty either at that point in time).

    But hey, if that works for you then by all means buy one!

    Here's the math if you want to check it. Maybe I'm leaving something out that I don't know about.

    Hybrid:
    Purchase price $48k (estimate and assuming 2WD)
    12,000 (miles per year) / 18 mpg = 667 gallons of gas per year
    667 gallons * $3 per gallon = $2,001 spent on gas per year

    Gas:
    Purchase price $35,000 (2WD 4.8L V8)
    12,000 (miles per year) / 14 mpg = 857 gallons of gas per year
    857 gallons * $3 per gallon = $2,571 spent on gas per year

    Difference:
    $2,571 for gas per year - $2,001 for gas per year = $570 less for gas per year for the Hybrid

    $13,000 difference in purchase price / $570 less per year for gas = 22.8 years

    A gas Tahoe 4X4 with the 5.3L V8 is $38,800 to start with. That's a $9,200 price difference and the EPA ratings are the same for that larger motor. So for that one you'll only need 16.4 years to make up the purchase price difference. Again, that's without factoring in the pricey battery replacement.

    All hype. GM is going in the wrong direction with this IMO. They should be using diesels like Mercedes and others and even the Lamdas would benefit from that too.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,968
    Edmunds will calculate most of that out to 5 years with the TCO tool. :shades:

    We've been enjoying a similar thread over in the $4 a Gallon Gas discussion:

    kdhspyder, "What will you do when gas price rises above $4 a gallon?" #2640, 13 Nov 2007 3:36 pm
  • I just got a 2008 EDGE that came with Synch and Sirius, based on my reserach I don't think we can control the sat radios from Sirius using Synch, is that right ? Does anyone know ?

    Also I can;t seem to switch stations using the controls on the weel, I just want to do a staion by staion search but when I press the "next" button it always takes me to 184, any ideas ?

    Thanks
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    Try reading the owner's manual. Seriously - that's why they put them there. There may be a supplement for Sync.
  • mcq1mcq1 Posts: 103
    Can you pair more than one phone like HIS/HERS? Thanks for the post. Good info. I want to get the sync without the NAVI.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    I think you can pair up to 6 phones at a time, but check the website to be sure:
    http://www.syncmyride.com

    As for the glovebox light - that was removed on several vehicles years ago during the nickel/dime cost cutting era. I'm sure they'll be back as the vehicles get redesigned.
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