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Honda Accord VCM



  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,350
    Have you thought that just maybe your Accord DOES have a true problem that the dealer could fix for you?

    I can't understand why you wouldn't at least let them take a look at it?

    It could need a software reflash or something simple?

    Certainly worth a try anyway I would think!
  • phantomvphantomv Posts: 101
    The WSJ, USA Today and Autoweek ALL reviewed the VCM equipped cars and commented negatively about the VCM operation being, at least, noticeable. - - urnal

    I don't get it. Why can't you accept the fact that the system IS noticeable and is NOT seamless - this is coming from unbiased reviewers - USA Today, Auto Week, WSJ. Not me - I am not making these claims alone - nor is golfrski - the press is too!!! This is like the Emperor's New Clothes!!?? And golrski, some others and I are the only ones who can see he is naked??? Is Honda the Emperor?? :confuse:

    Why should I waste my time taking my car to a dealer only to be told it is normal, which according to these reviewers' experiences, it is?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Well, the thing of it is that you cannot know what your dealer will tell you until you take the car there and find out.

    It seems clear that there are a whole lot of 08 V6 owners who are not experiencing the difficulties you are, so why not invest some time to see if your dealership can make you happy?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,350
    Were you responding to me?

    I don't think I ever told you this is "normal". In your case, you MAY just have someting amiss.

    I can't understand for the life of me why you wouldn't take the time to at least have a dealer take a look at it?

    He will do one of three things.

    1. Discover a true problem and fix it.

    2. Discover a problem and confer with Honda as how to deal with it.

    3. Declare it's normal. If this is the case since it bothers you to the degree it does, I would buy something different.

    I'm just trying to be helpful here. You don't have to snap back!
  • phantomvphantomv Posts: 101
    Isell - Sorry - the cumulative effect of yrmac's posts and yours in the face of all the evidence that what I am experiencing is normal - as noted in multiple road tests by multiple reviewers, AND just as irritating to them as others here, many others including myself, made me angry.

    Pat - I asked you before - have you driven the V6 VCM automatic? As I have said - I am willing to concede, and have, my car is normal and only wish others considering the car to be really really careful - this is an engine with an operating system unlike any other engine on the road, Honda or otherwise. It is not a V6 Accord. It is a V6 with VCM Accord - with a 6-4-3 change an ENORMOUS difference. Even the Odyssey only has two modes of operation 6-3. Thisis the ONLY engine other than the Cadillac V- 8-6-4 to have three separate cylinder modes of operation. We know what happened to that - Honda engineers assure that this engine will not experience the same fate.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,350
    I just don't understand. I haven't felt this in the V-6's I've driven nor have I heard of this until now.

    Maybe if I tried to feel it I could?

    I'm not trying to trivalize your situation but as bad as you make it out to be, I really suspect something may be wrong.
  • Best advice from me and I work for a Honda dealer, is take the vehicle to a Honda dealer. From what your stating you may have a totally different problem all together. I would strongly encourage you to take a trip to the dealer and just let them look into the issue. I promise you will be a lot happier after you do that.
  • He will do one of three things.

    1. Discover a true problem and fix it.

    2. Discover a problem and confer with Honda as how to deal with it.

    3. Declare it's normal. If this is the case since it bothers you to the degree it does, I would buy something different. Actually, he/she will do one of four things (and as many have experienced myself and golf included)

    Actually, you forgot option four (which unfortunately is the one that posters like golf and I are concerned about and are experiencing)

    4. Declare there to be a problem, confer with Honda and announce that they currently have no idea how to fix the problem because they can't put their finger on what is causing it. We'll get back to you.

    How long are we expected to wait?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,350
    If this is truly the case you can be sure Honda has it's best brains on this.
  • golfrskigolfrski Posts: 262
    Do not live in Canada. Car was built in Marysville Oct 2007
  • HI,i have taken my 08 accord with vibration at 55-80 mph ..also surging at that speeds and lower,balanced front tires again,no inprovement,.......service manager said no problem in his eyes.said its the characteristics of the vichele........sooooo much for taken it back to dealer........first car in 40 years that i have owned that surges and vibrates at highway speed..........i will just wait and see if a fix comes down from Honda........i belive they have a growing problem with this new 08........Chevy looking better each day i drive this poor excuse for a Honda......
  • Check post #284 where I first introduced my problem to the Honda dealership where I purchased my car and then later opened a case with Honda America.

    According to my service manager a Honda special technician spent three days for a total of 18 hours trying to correct the problems with my car. They were finally able to rid the car of the thumping sound in the car by replacing both mics, one in the front and one in the back, as part of the automatic noise cancellation system (ANC). For the vibration, the tech did something called harmonic balancing of the tires. There are four critical areas, I am told, on a tire that should be showing a road force of 10-12 to be acceptable. Three of my tires had much higher readings. All three tires were replaced and the road force readings were now showing low readings between 0 & 3. (Remember this is me, a non mechanical type trying to explain what I was told) The service manager and I took the car out for a long test drive and I started to feel the vibration again, with peak vibration at 72 mph. My imagination I thought? Told the service manager to drive the car and he confirmed that he can feel the vibration. Is this a VCM problem? They think not. What is causing the vibration? At this time we just don't know.

    The general manager and service manager told me that I should be a100% satisfied with a car I purchase from them. Solution -- they will replace my car with an exact duplicate. I am to drive it with dealer plates for two or three days to make sure everything is right. My worry about VCM? If everything is right with the new car an extended warranty at no cost has been offered. The new car should be here in about a week.

    I drive 43 miles one way to a dealership because I know it has an excellent reputation. Yes it is taking some time to solve the problem, but without any undue pressure from me I believe the dealership has done an outstanding job in upholding their reputation and also Honda's reputation.

    Will let you know how the replacement car works out.
  • yrmacyrmac Posts: 134
    A good example of what some of the posters here should be doing instead of just posting their woes here. Go to the dealer and let them try to duplicate the problem and find a real solution. It might get you somewhere.
  • yrmacyrmac Posts: 134

    Would you like to share with us some specifics? (i.e dealer's name that you conferred with).
    Also, if you truly believe that this is a major problem for you, we have several options here in Ontario to address your VCM issues such as CAMVAP. If you feel that Honda is not addressing your concerns, then CAMVAP might be a route for you to take.
  • yrmacyrmac Posts: 134
    Phantomv, :that link you just provided goes directly to the Honda USA website with a heading: "Accord Sedan: Awards and Accolades". You might want to rethink of what you just did if you want others to be wary of the 8th Gen. Accord sedan.
  • HI,my car was built 7,oct and it has vibration at highway speed and surging ............
  • I definitely would love to know some stats here of all of us having the VCM Problem that either will or will not point to some correlations of the VCM problem we have felt as I try to work through this with my car with my dealer and the Area Honda Manager. Here is the low down on my car and I only have the surging feeling, "hunting" feel, but I have not felt the vibration end of things some of you have in your cars. For the purposes of all us talking with Honda or our dealers I want to have in a way a feel for this VCM problem as I speak with anyone connected with Honda. First question: is the VCM problem in both Coupes and Sedans or is it more prevailant in one body type than the other? ( would body style availability at this point in time of the new model skew that count for now?)Canada Cars more than US sold cars or vice versa? Is the vibration issue associated with the VCM problem experienced with the Sedans and not the Coupes or there is no difference? We have talked about the speeds we all seem to feel the surging at and that has been helpful stats for me to test my own car and to also share this with Honda. Is the "age" mileage on your car a factor? Will this point to more problems for all of us down the road? (More surging now more vibration with age? or it won't make any difference it was bad from the start?) So I am curious needless to say to ask all of you experiencing this VCM problem to give basic car stats to see if there is any type of correlation between the type of Honda Accord you have, when it was manufactured and for what Country etc. We may find no real correlation and that in itself will be helpful answer needless to say as I continue to work with my dealer and Honda I definitely will share this to help towards a possible solution for the techs and engineers. We obviously are the best information for them as real world owners of these cars. So humor me in a way and follow my lead on the stats info and add anything you think would be helpful for all of us and Honda and give some general specifics about your car. We of course all should know we will have a V-6 Auto Trans in whatever body style we own.

    Stats to answer:

    My Particular Car: Manufactured 01/08 Marysville, Ohio
    Sold and titled in the U.S.
    Body: Coupe

    VCM Problem: Feel Hunting Surging Feel more so 60-65 and around 68-72
    I have yet to feel vibrations or hear any noises

    Approx Mileage: 1,000

    If anyone thinks any other stats would be helpful for us to know on the VCM problem feel free to add your stat info and we will just go back and answer those too for those of us that already answered.

    I or anyone else in here or Honda for that matter will have some stats to go on that we may not be aware of since no one I know as of yet has compiled this from us who are having the VCM Problem probably other than the speed range stats.

    We might find none of this matters any type of car no matter where sold no matter how much mileage is on the car no matter what type of body style you have the VCM Problem can affect us all in the same way. For instance let's take one issue we have read in here and that is the vibration issue, but I dont know what the body style is of their cars. We might see a pattern by the answers we may find only sedan owners have the vibration issues -- hmm or not or anything else might help point Honda in a right direction on part of this issue. Does it matter when the car was manufactured? don't know yet and the list goes on.

    Again, I can't stress enough that you need to open a case number with Honda about your VCM Problem. My car goes to the dealer this coming Monday. I wrote a two page letter about my car and I also included copies of posts in here to Honda and my dealer's service manager. All info is helpful and it has been for me to hear what other owners are experiencing in this forum. And yes the VCM Issue will be put on paper for my car at my dealer and I will insist on test drive with me and my car while I am there that day. After that I will call Honda again and update the Area Manager. Do not leave it up to your dealer to open a case for you as the Area Honda Manager who is in California told me all dealers do not share everything with Honda so it is up to you to get it done and it needs to be done as I have stated here before. Someone who parks down from me in the garage at work bought an Accord like mine a few days ago from the same dealer I bought my car from and you can bet I will be talking with them if they are having a VCM problem. Thanks ahead of time for your answers to the stat questions as I have been curious here as I read other posters and some in here have hinted at them wanting to know some stats on other people's cars to maybe get more of a handle on this problem some of us are experiencing.
  • phantomvphantomv Posts: 101
    And wrong with all the vehicles that were tested by USA Today, WSJ, and Autoweek too?
  • phantomvphantomv Posts: 101
    I give up :sick: - I did not blindly refer anyone to the Honda site - I said to read the road tests thay have there!!!!!!!!!! USA Today and Autoweek

    They confirm with their own experiences what golfrski, myself and others have said and are experiencing - the system is NOT seamless and passengers Do notice.

    Aaaaarrrgghhh! Deny reality people. This is a genuine embedded problem inherent in the engineering concept. Cadillac did not get it - Honda hasn't either.
    Hmmm...if such a great idea, why does NO OTHER CAR MANUFACTURER.offer a three mode cylinder deactivation system?? :confuse:
  • yrmacyrmac Posts: 134

    Here is what I can tell you based of what you just posted:

    You will not have any problems with the VCM technology and the surging/hunting sensation as you aptly described is not due to VCM. Do more research please.

    Also, go to another Honda dealer since the one you are dealing right now is clueless.
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