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Honda Accord VCM



  • golfrskigolfrski Posts: 262
    sorry oh wise one... Nissan. let that simple mistake negate all my posts.. :shades:
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    let that simple mistake negate all my posts..

    If you insist. :confuse:
  • itochuitochu Posts: 107
    "My Honda Tech, who felt the hunting and surging in my car and verified it contacted the online Tech help and they talked with Honda techs in California and they are aware of the VCM when they stated to him that about 30% of the cars they drive out there in California the VCM is felt more than other cars and they say at this time it's within the normal limits."

    Are not the online Tech help people and Honda techs in California Honda employees? Do they not represent Honda? I never said Honda of America, the corporation itself, had admitted anything as you suggest. That was your mistaken inference.
  • itochuitochu Posts: 107
    They put him in a V6 Coupe with 6MT
  • itochuitochu Posts: 107
    Whoops- sorry Pat - did that wrong - thanks for pointing it out and how to copy a link. :)
  • itochuitochu Posts: 107
    I would agree - if the legal rewwards could be greater like with mesothelioma, class action attorneys would be jumping all over it.
  • yrmacyrmac Posts: 134
    Gimme a break...No they do not. Unless Honda releases a TSB in regards to this problem, techs opinions, might it be online or Californian, are just that, an OPINION. Also, you are getting the 30% from a third party and you're posting this number as if it's an official stat coming from Honda.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    How 'bout we calm down and back off the personal confrontations, eh?
  • yrmacyrmac Posts: 134
    For awhile there, I really thought you own one of these 8th gen. Accord and you are having problems with the VCM. Sorry my mistake, you don't even have a dog in this race.
  • parvizparviz Posts: 484
    I am just wondering why (and how) some people who don't even own the V6 w/ VCM are so passionately trying to trash the technology and the manufacturer behind it.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Why don't we stick to the subject and leave off discussing other posters? It's easy enough to ignore posts we do not find useful.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    what part of "why don't we stick to the subject and leave off discussing other posters" wasn't clear, but let me try again.

    We need to stop talking about other posters. If you continue to do that, your posts will be deleted and your posting privileges here may be removed.

    We need to get back on topic. If you have questions or comments for me, please email me, do not post them here.

    Thank you.
  • Just bought my 08 Accord. I had unfortunately not read any of this forum and was thus unaware of any issue with VCM. Considering the glowing reviews the new accord seems to be getting at Consumer Reports and Edmunds, I figured I was safe, but now i have some regrets.

    my vcm does not seem to be as severe as some out there, but basically i echo others' sentiments when i say it is absolutely annoying. in essence it feels like the car is either inappropriately downshifting (giving the lurching feeling of being in too low of a gear so that the car needs to slow down quickly on its own), or a slight surge of power as the eco light goes off.

    give me a break. i spent 30k+ with options on this car and my prior ride (05 mazda6) along with every other automatic transmission car in the universe rides smoother than mine new one. i hope to god they come out with a way to at least give owners the option to override vcm completely if they want. i'll eat the gas money (assuming vcm saves me any) just to have a smooth riding car.

    at this point i'm not going to return the car as I feel like there are a lot of other benefits and things i enjoy about it, but damn if i'm not a little upset about this.
  • cstilescstiles Posts: 465
    American Honda just released a major press announcement that states that VCM will be installed on all Honda lawnmowers, power generators, and scooters by model year 2010. Applications for the Honda Advanced Compact Business Jet, as well as for the Honda ASIMO Humanoid Robot, are also under analysis.
    At a press conference at the New York Auto Show, Honda CEO Takeo Fukui indicated, "Variable Cylinder Management is the single greatest technological advancement since the advent of the CVCC engine in the 1976 Accord. We are proud to announce that VCM will be available as a standard feature on all of our power products within the next 4 years. R&D has begun for the next generation of the Hondajet Advanced Compact Business Jet to be released in 2014, and we plan to offer VCM on the next ASIMO Humanoid Robot. ASIMO tends to rattle too much when he laughs at my bad jokes. I trust that VCM will help him relax and calm down a little."
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Aren't you about 12 days early with this? ;)
  • parvizparviz Posts: 484
    I have experienced some of what you have mentioned in your post regarding the downshift. However, I do not believe that has anything to do with the VCM. I could be wrong, though.
  • jam1000jam1000 Posts: 182
    "... every other automatic transmission car in the universe rides smoother than mine new one ..."

    Bingo. I agree with Parviz that it may not be VCM, but instead the transmission shift points. Or perhaps some changes they made in the transmission shift points to accommodate the VCM.

    It's good for you that you're prepared to live with it, b/c when I discussed this with the American Honda CSR, he said it's normal, end of story.
  • sunnfunsunnfun Posts: 168
    Well I gave in and took my car back to the dealer today. Since the dealer I bought the car from is an hour away, I went to the local dealer instead.
    First thing the SM tells me when I arrive is that if there is an issue with the car that needs to be fixed, I will have to take it back to the dealer I bought it from. Any car with less than 3000 miles (mine has 749) has to be fixed by the originating dealer due to some finance issue relate to the check list they should have followed when the car was pulled off the truck. (I have never heard of this??????) I did not argue, I figured I would deal with that later.
    So he gets a tech and we take a test drive. Before the drive, I tell him (the tech) the issues that I am having with the VCM. I could tell by his eyes and facial expression this was not new to him. As it turns out, they get a couple of cars a month returning because of the VCM issue. We take the test drive and the car performed as it normally does for me. He was not surprised but said my car was better than most (what does that say about the other cars????).
    We return and he determines that it is working as it should (I assumed that would be the answer. I don't believe anything is broken, it's just a poor design) and there is nothing they can do (surprise surprise) So we chat a little more and he says that "the car is not seamless, and unnoticeable to the user". "Every Accord V6 does the same thing as mine". "The difference is the driver". "Some are more in tune with their car like me, and some people are in la la land and don't know anything is going on under the hood". "Honda should have never put that seamless information in their info" (no kidding). He said the older Odysseys are worse (I don't own one so I can't verify that). Since the Odysseys have had the VCM issues for years and Honda has never fixed them, don't expect a fix on these either. On a good note, he has not seen any engine problems because of the VCM (I did not ask about the Odyssey tranny issues).
    So that puts me back to square one. When the Honda Case Mgr calls me back after talking to the dealer, I'm sure I'll get the "there's nothing we can do" answer and that will be it. And since the Odyssey has never been fixed, I would not expect a fix on this either. I'm very disappointed. I spent alot of money and am not happy with the car. Now I have to start the whole test drive/email/price neg thing again on a different car.

    On a side note, when the Honda Case Mgr did ask me what I wanted Honda to do, I said fix the car. Since that does not look good now, has anyone negotiated anything else in a situation like this, like an extended warranty, or a car buy back with Honda?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    He said the older Odysseys are worse (I don't own one so I can't verify that). Since the Odysseys have had the VCM issues for years and Honda has never fixed them, don't expect a fix on these either.

    Having ridden in (but not driven) a 2005 EX-L Odyssey (brand new with less than 2k miles at the time) on a short trip from Birmingham to Tuscaloosa, AL, I can say that I felt nothing; although I did look at the ECO light to try and see when it changed. Never noticed a vibration or surge.

    The owner of that Odyssey is a mechanic that fixes up old sports cars (a '62 Corvette and a Porsche 914, to name the most recent ones). He's never mentioned a problem with it, and WE recommended the Honda dealer to them, so i feel like we'd have heard something by now if they had issues with it.

    I say all that to say this: it sounds like the Accord VCM has more issues than the Odyssey VCM based on personal experience with an Odyssey, and what I've read about the Accord. Don't be so sure Honda won't fix it just yet.
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