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Honda Accord VCM

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  • whampa65whampa65 Posts: 36
    I have owned my EX-L (V6) (2008) for over 2 years now and I can honestly say I've never noticed the VCM. I haven't had any problems with the car at all. Too say the engine is unreliable is ridiculous and I've never heard that besides certain people that complain about the VCM. I'm confident that I will have many years of happy motoring with my Honda. My wife has a 2003 Civic with 80,000 miles and she's never done anything too it besides routine maintenance.
  • Thanks for your feedback. I'm glad you're happy with your Honda with the VCM engine. I think you misread, I never suggested that the engine wasn't reliable. I was stating that I HOPE with the VCM it doesn't become a reliability issue. All the reviews on edmunds and consumer downgraded the rating of the Honda's with the VCM is what I was stating, but I hope it's not an issue as I'm sure it will not be. I had a Honda Civic in early 90's had for over 5 years and had 120k miles and it was still running. So I'm aware of their history, However, VCM is a newer technology for them as well.
  • dpmeersmandpmeersman Posts: 274
    Since the initial release of the Gen 8 VCM Sedan we've seen many pro's and con's posted here. In the past week I've spent more time in my Accord than I've spent in any car I've previously owned. On some days there were 5 hour stretches without a stop. I'm 5'5" and 165 pounds. Yeah, to many Micro Brews and a lot of hours in front of a computer can put the weight on. During these long days behind the wheel I found the seats comfortable and the lumbar support works for me and is correctly located. The ever present road noise was not a problem and didn't irritate me over long stretches as I feared it might. I really found the visibility to be better than I've experienced in other cars.
    VCM activity was ever present as was the inability of the ANC to completely mask it. Despite this, it never became annoying to the point that it detracted from the driving experience. As Grad pointed out in a recent post, you shouldn't be surprised if in mixed driving you see a return of 22 MPG's, this is on the sticker for mixed driving, and after many years the EPA seemed to have developed a formula that truly relates to actual experience. On that subject I consumed 108 gallons which translates to 29.7 MPG, also on on the sticker for hwy MPG's. Criss crossing the Appalachian's a few times probably worked against my overall economy, which reached a best 33 MPG's on one tank. I'm sure that in some scenarios this vehicle could return 35 MPG's, lack of wind and flatter terrain would work towards that possibility.
    This isn't a luxury sedan nor a sport sedan, but a family sedan. After putting more miles behind me in one week then I have ever done in my previous 30+ years of driving, my personal opinion is it's a pretty damn fine one at that.
  • blue_boyblue_boy Posts: 52
    Sounds like pretty level headed report. We still can't feel the vcm in ours though so I don't know how aggravating that is for some people.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,963
    I have yet to feel this in any V-6 Accord I've driven and I have yet to have a customer mention it. None of the other salespeople have either.

    I don't doubt some people are feeling something but it's news to us.
  • hackattack5hackattack5 Posts: 315
    I am not sure what your point is supposed to mean? I know you always defend the VCM and tell the person with the "gripe" That there is no problem matter of fact I did a search and typed in isellhondas. You have hundreds of posts about the VCM. Here is one of your posts from 2 years ago (post 527)

    "Until I happened to stumble into this forum, I had NEVER ONCE heard anyone spek of this...Not once!"

    Now that kind of sounds like post 2328 don't you think? Yep you stumbled onto 2300 posts most of which are complaints but you are still shocked to hear that anyone has a "gripe" :sick:
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,963
    Did I say I was "shocked"?

    ALL I have ever said is I haven't heard of this problem nor have the others I work with.

    I have driven quite a few V-6 Accords and I can't detect what others have complained about even after two years.

    I never have said there wasn't a problem. It's just that you would think I would have heard other complaints besides this forum?

    And, count my posts. I don't think it's "hundreds".
  • For someone to go back through two years worth of posts of an individual Car space user is to say the least, obsessive and clearly indicates that one has too much time on their hands.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,963
    I must need a hobby.
  • blue_boyblue_boy Posts: 52
    I suspect he is just having a hard time relating to the problem since he has never encountered it. I haven't either but I'm just familiar with one of them. I think people on the forum on both sides of the question are frustrated because there is no common ground.

    Seems like each side has never encountered the other sides observation! I do think that is really strange and don't understand how that could happen.

    Is there anyone who has encountered both behaviors. If so, please speak up! Please!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,963
    Yeah, that's it.

    I keep thinking one of these days I'll be driving a V-6 Accord or be riding in one and experience this.

    Then I'll say..." So THAT'S what they are talking about!"
  • wayne21wayne21 Posts: 231
    edited March 2010
    Yeah, that's it. I keep thinking one of these days I'll be driving a V-6 Accord or be riding in one and experience this. Then I'll say..." So THAT'S what they are talking about!"

    I test drove four different V6 accords with VCM and I can say that I felt the VCM off/on in each of them. Not something I want to "get used to". Neither of the two salesman had ever heard of the VCM issue, but when I discussed this with one of the service managers (I was at two different dealerships) he said they all do it and that it is just a characteristic of VCM.
  • blue_boyblue_boy Posts: 52
    Well, it's not characteristic of all of them. 2009 exl v6 sedan.
  • wayne21wayne21 Posts: 231
    Those were his words, not mine. My son's girfriend has a 2010 V6 accord and she says she can feel the VCM on hers, but doesn't care because she likes the car (and the heated seats).

    My brother owns a chevy pickup that has GMs version of VCM (I didn't know they did this from chevy pickups). He says it's either in 8 cyl or 4 cyl mode. He can feel it changing, but it doesn't bother him and he would buy another truck with that feature. So I think it's just a matter of taste/tolerance. As for me, I wouldn't buy one. I think honda should have gone the 6 speed transmission route instead of VCM, but it's not my decision.
  • blue_boyblue_boy Posts: 52
    Since ours doesn't have the problem, I don't know whether it would bother me/us or not.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,963
    There is a difference between a "problem" and what is "normal"operation.

    What bothers one person may not even be noticed (or cared about) by the masses?
  • blue_boyblue_boy Posts: 52
    My point is: whether it is normal operation or not (can't tell with 1 sample) I can't tell when vcm kicks in and when it doesn't. Neither can my wife nor my son. Nada. No vibration, no surge, no noise, no indication of any sort other than seeing the ECO light on/off. I know some people have a behavior that is different from mine. Don't know if it is a "problem" or not - just different.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,963
    edited March 2010
    What brought me to this forum was a comment from a customer a couple of years ago.

    " I was going to buy a V-6 but I better buy a 4 cylinder because of all of the VCM problems"

    I had no idea what he was talking about.

    " Oh, yeah, don't you know, it's all over the internet"

    It is?

    So, I came here and started reading.

    I then asked the other salespeople if they had heard any complaints. I asked our Service Advisors and the head service guy from Honda when he visited our store.

    Blank looks.

    So I took a V-6 out and I tried everything to feel or hear anything...nothing.

    Then I came here and basically got blasted by a couple of people who seem think I'm trying to make light of something that bothers them a lot.

    I'm not. I just have yet to experience it myslef or have anyone else complain about this.
  • blue_boyblue_boy Posts: 52
    It really is strange. I had always considered myself very sensitive to auto sounds, vibrations, steering, braking, handling, etc.

    Maybe it's a case of the princess and the pea? Who knows? I've already spent too much time on it. Guess I'll just let this dog lie from now on.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,963
    Yeah, me too.

    I'm glad you're happy with your Accord!
  • berriberri Posts: 4,284
    When is Honda going to update and modernize its 5sp auto tranny? I don't know why they are hanging on to it because it isn't that great of a unit anyway, so why let the competition get a leg up? Do you think it will be a 6 speed or a CVT?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,963
    I have no idea wht their plans are but more speeds doesn't make for a better transmission.

    " It isn't that great of a unit anyway"


    They aren't?

    The one in our 2007 Accord is flawless. It always seems to know what gear to be in. It doesn't "hunt" or shift back and forth.

    Same with the one in our CRV.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    It may be down a gear relative to the competition, but it is one of the best for quick downshifts, holding a gear when you need it, and never getting "confused," it always does what I want it to do. Can't say that for some other 4, 5, and 6-speeds I've driven.

    That said, I agree that Honda should apply those same characteristics to a 6-speed auto.
  • dinofldinofl Posts: 53
    Its true that my 1995 Maxima was only 190 HP and my 2002 CLK320 215, but they are old tech cars and more importantly what I will call "full time six cylinder.

    These cars transmissions were smooth, powerful and pretty darn fast. They also got more MPG than they were rated. The Accord is 268hp, but most of the time the ECO light goes on and then I'm only sending gas to three or four cylinders. Honda used to be famous for surpassing EPA estimates, I guess not anymore.

    The car is faster off the line, but is far, far worse on the highway. The transmission is not smooth at all in comparison and the wind and road noise is far worse.

    I would think a 2010 model should outperform comparable 1995 and 2002 cars is pretty much all categories, especially gas with the VCM feature.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    To be fair, I'm not arguing against you. I agree that these days we should do better than we did 10 years ago on gas. Problem is, increased safety standards mean more airbags, more control systems, all of which equal increased weight. I'd wager that your Maxima barely weighs 3,000 lbs, while the new Accord is closing in on 3,700 lbs, in top trim. That's a 20%+ weight gain.

    As far as noise goes, Hondas have always been noisier than comparable Nissans and Toyotas, and certainly noisier than a Mercedes. That's not different from Accords of the 90s to today (trust me, I have a '96 and an '06). :)
  • robtroxelrobtroxel Posts: 103
    VCM kept me from buying another Accord..and that's not good! We represent the steady business Honda has lost... After 6 Honda Accords in the last 6 years (One for me >one for my wife as we trade every two years) I just feel the Accord has become a good Average car and nothing more. They lost their edge by taking away the choice on VCM on not. (v6s)and they actually removed the LED Tail lights as well as other interior lighting and the ability to unlock the rear seat back with the key. Poor quality leather is another issue on the new Accords! As I said earlier, in my case, Honda is competing with the turbine smooth 2007 V6s we had. The 2008-2010 inV6 is not even close in comparison and the tire noise is ever present!

    The absence of a six speed auto was another issue and yes, Honda needs to add the driver selectable gear control as well. I have seen this car manufacturer dance before when we were General Motors buyers. Honda seems to be taking it's past customers for granted. Why does it take Hyundai Sonata to bring excitement to this market segment?(No I did not buy one but they sure look great!)

    I feel for the Honda service writers as they cannot show you any empathy since it might be construed as recognition of the VCM issue. When you start hearing the line"That's the way it is" or the implication that you should "Get used to it" it's time to look else where! Having a noise cancelling feature on the radio is nothing short of a band aid fix for an inherently rough engine noise. There are many other V6s out there that do just as well on gas with the same horsepower and no VCM!

    Honda did change their marketing speil from "Seamless VCM" in the 2008 materials to "Nearly seamless VCM" on their 2009/2010 brochures.

    I'm happy to hear some of you are "getting used to it" ..We just decided to move on to something else..
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,963
    Hey, to each his own. No one car will please everyone.

    A couple of things. Yes, they got rid of the LED tailights. I don't know why but so nobody has said anything about it. It's one of those "who cares?" things. Obviously you do care. They also got rid of the overhead light that actually annoyed some people who would put tape over it.

    I'm still trying to figure out why Honda should add another speed to their silky smooth transmissions that work so well. Why not seven speeds or ten?

    A Service Advisor should have empathy. That's psrt of the job. It's hard though when they can't detect a problem.

    I do agree that "seamless" was probably a bad word. " Nearly seamless" is much better but It sounds like for a few "nearly" isn't seamless enough.

    I don't know what you replaced your Accord with but I hope it meets your expectations.
  • rcummelinrcummelin Posts: 184
    Rob, I don't blame you for looking elsewhere if you didn't like the VCM in the car you test drove. That's EXACTLY what you should do. It seems that many others who now have "issues" and "problems" with their VCMs did not take long test drives if they took any test drive at all, which makes no sense at all to me. In today's bizarre automotive business environment, that's simply asking for trouble.

    Our new 2010 EX-L V6 in the second Honda we have had with VCM and I cannot detect any changes whatsoever while driving. For my wife and I, VCM is indeed "seamless." It was seamless in our 2008 Odyssey too.

    I have a 30+ mile test drive route that I always drive when I have finally decided on one specific car to buy. Ten miles of in-town streets, 10+ miles of country back roads and 10 miles of freeway @ 75+ mph. Trust me, any driveability/noise issues show up over this distance. Plus, the salesman doesn't go along, and the radio is turned off. I am listening to & feeling out the car and I don't want distractions.

    I can emphasize with those who have VCM issues, but they need to understand that none of us here on this forum can help them in any way. Obviously, Honda isn't helping them. Worst case is they will need to dump their cars and take the financial hits if they can't live with it. It's a shame, but obviously a problem that only a few people have, and they simply shouldn't have bought the Accord.
  • jam1000jam1000 Posts: 182
    Actually, if memory serves me -- and no, I don't have time to scroll through 2 years of posts, though with the search feature, it wouldn't take me (and probably didn't take the other poster) much time -- you have made the same substantive posts on 3-4 if not more occasions (typically, whenever there is heavier volume of postings on this thread). On most if not all of those occasions you have been reprimanded ("blasted" in your words) by the moderators for belittling those who have stated they noticed the VCM operation or for strongly suggesting that they are wrong and do not know what they are talking about. So, please do not play the victim.

    Full disclosure: I had a 2008 V-6 Honda, felt the same things others are posting about, but thought the issue got ameliorated (but not totally resolved) by a software patch about 8-9 months after I bought the car; subsequently sold the car for a variety of other reasons pretty much unrelated to the VCM issue (if in fact it is a VCM issue). I was not dissatisfied with the car, but also didn't feel it lived up to its hype.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,963
    edited March 2010
    No, I don't think I belittled anyone or "strongly suggested " they were wrong.

    I only said that I hadn't heard anything from my vantage point and that is still the case.

    I'm just trying to figure out what exactly people are hearing and feeling.

    Obviously there must be "something" going on with some cars.
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