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2009 - 2010 Nissan Murano

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  • qs933qs933 Posts: 302
    Coincidentally, after I wrote about the 7-seat capacity in the Highlander being a nice-to-have, not a need-to-have for my personal situation, I went out to an Easter lunch.

    I had family visiting from out-of-town, making our total group 6. We had to take two cars to lunch and to do some sightseeing. This is one of those times when I wished I had the ability to transport 6 or 7 in one vehicle, as it would have made sightseeing easier and more enjoyable.

    Of course, how often does this happen? Not much for me (and probably wouldn't happen again if I got the Highlander for this reason). ;)

    Continuing on with a few more thoughts on the Murano vs. Highlander:

    Price: As I mentioned, I think the 18" wheels on the SL look small compared to the 20" wheels on the LE. Silly, yes. But if I'm going to spend that much, might as well go all the way. If there was a 2WD LE, I'd choose it, but the LE is AWD only. An LE AWD without moonroof will run around $36.9K MSRP. I haven't tried negotiating yet, but I'm sure I could get something closer to invoice, which Edmunds shows as $34.0K.

    For the Highlander, I can get a Limited 2WD (Blizzard Pearl, which is an extra $200 option) for $35.4K MSRP. Invoice is $31.3K. Without negotiation, I can get the Highlander for around $32.5K without negotiation (Toyota dealers have a lot of control in my market, so there's not much room for negotiation).

    This means the delta between the Murano and Highlander is at least $1.5K, even assuming a best-case at-invoice deal for the Murano. Note: this is all before tax, title, and license.

    Reliability: Personally, I'm confident in both Nissan and Toyota. I own a Toyota now (and previously) and haven't had any major problems. Others in my family have had Nissans and have driven them for years without problems.

    Both are first-year redesigns. Both are made in Japan. Nissan has had reliability issues with the Titan and Armada. Toyota has had reliability issues with the new Camry and ES350's transmission. Both the previous generation Murano and Highlander (both 1st gens, coincidentally) have good reputations.

    Right now, it's still a toss up for me.
  • dotty447dotty447 Posts: 7
    Took my 09 LE w/ nav on a 700 miles road trip this past weekend and was quite happy with it. My observations and responses to your questions:

    1. Haven't really noticed it. The problem is more that I can hit 75+ too easily without noticing it because you can't notice the shift! :-( Cruise control works great and I used that a lot just to make sure I don't speed too much by accident.

    2. Didn't observe. The 09 Murano is a very quiet car.

    4. Didn't have a lot of problem throughout the trip (I have ~ 1100 miles total on the car now) unless the sun is really low and shining directly from behind the car. I don't think there is much anyone can do with that unless the LCD screen can be tilted. Changing between day and night display mode may help.

    Navigation I find is excellent compare to a hand-held Tom Tom that I have in the other car. All the turns and maps have been very accurate for my trip from city to Maryland countryside and throughout New Jersey. The voice recognition works pretty good.

    Miles per gallon is about 18-19 right now as reported by the car for mix highway and suburb driving. I haven't measured it myself to see how accurate it is.

    We looked at any of the cars you mentioned. Acura RDX is too noisy. Acura MDX is comparable to Murano except the price for a comparably equipped model is probably $5K more, and the nearest Acura dealer to me is quite far. Lexus RX350 didn't like the back center seat where the floor isn't flat, and the trunk area feels smaller. BMW X3 looks horrible, uncomfortable leather. Infiniti didn't look at since I wouldn't like the price point. :-) Mazda CX-7 is noisy, don't find it handle any particularly better than the Murano, the interior is definitely miles behind, and doesn't have all the options of the Murano. Mazda CX-9 is just too big with better interior but still can't touch the Murano. Hyundai and Subura both look cheap.
  • Thank you Dotty 447. That's very helpful. Enjoy!
  • endodocendodoc Posts: 15
    i agree with you about the 09 Murano.after one month my only thought is that there seems to be road/wind noise at about 60 mph and above . my touareg was almost 1000 pound heavier with 5mpg less so i think you have to give up something. my wife drives it mostly around town. not a critical issue . a very quality product..
  • Any thoughts on the lighting of the dashboard at night, especially the red/orange lights on the gauges and the brightness of the radio and heating buttons?

    Also any thoughts on the quality of the audio system?
  • dairyshickdairyshick Posts: 129
    I was checking online inventories for the Muranos and some of the SL models had "SL-A package" and "SL-B package" listed under their options. When you build one online, these aren't mentioned, so i'm assuming they're the premium or technology packages....does anyone know for sure which packages these are?
  • stactumstactum Posts: 39
    SL-A - Premium
    SL-B - Technology
  • endodocendodoc Posts: 15
    is there a plastic or metal look shield for the top of the rear bumper for the 09 murano to prevent scratching when pushing things into the rear
  • ronswmronswm Posts: 9
    It has a metal/aluminum shield, but not on the bumper. The bumper is a bit lower than the cargo area, so it should not get scratched when moving cargo around.
  • Building comparisons at edmunds.com, I came across a surprising discovery.

    It appears the cargo space in the '09 murano is even less than that in the Honda CR-V!
    The comparison suggests the maximum luggage capacity (I believe it is referring to cargo room with the second row of seats up) as 35.7 cu.ft. for the CR-V and a mere 31.6 cu.ft. for the murano. Similarly, the maximum cargo capacity (seems like this is the cargo room with the second row down) is 73 cu.ft. for the CR-V and only 64 cu.ft. for the murano.

    Isn't the murano supposed to be a bigger vehicle? Its exterior dimensions approach those of the Highlander but did the designers really compromise so much on cargo room in order to maintain the vehicle's sleek profile? If anyone could comment on the cargo room in their Murano (particularly with the second row up) and perhaps compare it to a CR-V, it would help. Thanks.
  • It's true that the Murano has less cargo space than the CR-V, but the Acura RDX has less cargo room than the Murano. The key point is that Nissan isn't going after people that need a whole lot of cargo room. Not everybody needs all the extra space the Highlander offers, or the CR-V, and they would opt for the pristine ride the Murano provides over space for stuff.
  • musky300musky300 Posts: 7
    The 2009 Murano did lose max. cargo capacity space compared to the 1st generation Murano. Reading around, it is due to the slightly redesigned rear hatch, which cuts down on the height of the cargo area from its slope.

    Basically this means that if you planned to load the cargo area from floor to ceiling, you will notice there would be less room to stack stuff up to the top. Otherwise, the difference probably won't be that material.
  • jmpage2jmpage2 Posts: 262
    I've posted in a few Murano threads and was interested in the '09 LE. Ultimately went with the Acura MDX for a few reasons that I thought I'd mention here;

    1. MDX gets slightly worse fuel economy than the Murano but both require premium fuel.

    2. Murano still has very poor residuals and since I wanted to lease this car (and pay it off at the end if it is reliable) that made the Murano a harder sell for me. Basically you can lease a base MDX for about the same money down and monthly payment as the Murano LE.

    3. Murano LE has backup camera and iPod interface and base MDX is lacking those for $3,000 more... yet the lease payments on the MDX are the same or less than the Murano due to crappy residual and money factor on Murano from Nissan. MDX is roomier, has smoother ride (less jarring over bumps), more power, much longer/better warranty and lower service intervals.

    4. Surprisingly, insurance was actually LESS on the MDX than on the Murano for us, not sure why.

    All in all I would say the two cars are actually quite comparable, and if leasing they are directly in competition with each other due to current pricing.
  • The Murano LE does NOT requires premium fuel. Premium fuel is not required like the MDX, it's only recommended.
  • jmpage2 you're right on target with your analysis. I've been debating between the MDX and the Murano as well. However, the lease rates on the SL are quite a bit better than the LE. Although I really like my memory seats (only on LE) I'm willing to sacrifice them for $80 or so less/month.

    The MDX is a great car, but gas prices are playing a factor. According to posts many MDX owners are getting MPG less than EPA ratings, while Murano owners appear to be getting better than EPA ratings.

    Also, I currently have a Murano whose lease expires in a week, and I love the car.

    It's a tough call, but I'll probably go with the Murano even though the money factor and residual are lousy.

    That MDX is one great machine. Enjoy!
  • jmpage2jmpage2 Posts: 262
    The MDX does not "require" premium fuel either in that Honda says you can run it on regular unleaded if you must, but just like Murano you will not be getting optimum power from the engine if you do this.

    If I'm not mistaken the Murano is just like my wife's FX35, says "premium unleaded recommended for best performance" on the gas cap, or something to that affect.
  • I've never noticed a "performance" difference in my Murano or Maxima between regular and premium fuel (though both "recommend it"). However, I have heard that I am sacrificing MPG by going with the regular fuel.

    At the end of the day it's probably a wash.
  • tonysjtonysj Posts: 2
    LE owners... I have a question about how the integrated IPOD connector is working for you on your LEs. I just purchased mine, and love it. Only problem I have is that the ipod outputs sound to only the right side speakers. No sound on the left. I have tried 2 different ipods... same results. Radio, CD, everything works thru all speakers. I'm wondering if this it a problem on my car, or just the way it works with the ipod. I suspect its a problem, hopefully just the cable. How is it working for you. Thanks.
  • promikepromike Posts: 35
    Works great in my LE. I agree that it is probably a bad cable. If that doesn't work let the dealer inspect the cable connection to the radio or the socket itself could be at fault. Good luck.
  • endodocendodoc Posts: 15
    i know it's crazy but my wife wanted keyless entry and power tailgate without rear seat video.. handling i give the mdx an edge,power equal, i thought the mdx would be faster. interior the mdx looks better from a distance than up close.looks go the mdx. so take your pick. i looked at 60k crossovers that didn't drive as well as either of these. the porsche cayenne doesn't have bluetooth.
  • bobm13bobm13 Posts: 2
    I just found out my new 2009 Murano rolls back while in drive and my foot is not on the brake when I am on an incline. My dealer did not know anything about this "feature", all he said was "I tried my demo and it does the same thing" I tried Nissan head office for an explanation but they said ask your dealer. Anyone know the real story.
  • Yesterday I bought the 09 Murano SL AWD with the leather, premium, and moon roof packages, but NOT the tech package. It has the push button start and intelikey, but still have to use the keyfob to unlock. Is it necessary to insert the intelikey into the slot to start the car or should it start just by me hitting the start button. Right now, it will not work unless the key is inserted. Is it a key battery issue or that we don't have the tech package?
  • bobm13bobm13 Posts: 2
    My 2009 Murano SL does not require the Fob to be used when entering the vehicle nor does the key need to be inserted to start, as long as you have it on your person or close by
  • bkanskybkansky Posts: 14
    You should not have to use the FOB itself to unlock/lock the doors or start the car. The FOB needs to be within 2-3 feet and then press the button on the door handle once to unlock that door and twice to unlock all doors. You can also lock the car by pressing that button. The car will not let you accidentally leave your FOB in the car and lock the doors.

    In order to start the car with the Push Button Start your foot MUST be on the brake and the car displays that warning message in the middle of the gauges. You then just press and release the start button once - do not hold it down.

    That opening is just to be able to start the car if the battery in the FOB is drained by inserting the whole FOB or if you want to use the outer part of the FOB for a valet or garage and not give them the key inside the FOB that you can use to lock the glove compartment.
  • I have to use the keyfob to unlock because we did not get the tech. package and therefore does not have the "button" on the door handles to unlock.

    Even the dealer couldn't start the car wihout inserting the key into the slot.

    Contrary to what the sales people say (surprise, surprise) I'd speculate that all keyfobs are not intelikeys and therefore we must insert the fob to start the car sinc we do not have the tech package unless someone has a different experience.
  • fitcfitc Posts: 11
    Sounds like those sales people are very incompetent. You are correct, you do NOT have Intelligent Key, as it is part of the Technology Package.

    An easy way to tell if you have IntelliKey is by looking at your keyfob - if it has 4 buttons, you have Intellikey, if 3 - you do not.

    The Owners Manual describes the KeyPort on Page 5-11:

    Models without Intelligent Key system.

    Be sure to insert the key into the key port (1)
    before pushing the ignition switch. Make sure
    that the key ring side faces backward as
    illustrated. Insert the key in the port until it is
    latched and secured.
    Etc...

    _fitc_
  • I saw the '09 Murano at the Detroit Auto show in January. My local dealer - Montrose Auto Group/Hermitage Nissan got in five of them a week later. I drove and immediately bought a merlot Murano LE w/Black leather, Navigation/Tech Package and Dual Panel moonroof. Dealership (on the sale): Excellent. Vehicle: Well equipped, solid tight, squeak/rattle free, fun to drive. I was looking at the Infiniti EX35 for comparison which I outruled because it required Premium Fuel and the fuel filler door is on the passenger side for some reason. I previously owned the Infiniti FX. The closest Infiniti dealership is 70 miles away - a further factor. So I test drive the car - and find a slight vibration. The dealer says they will balance it. No sweat. On delivery they tell me at least two tires have a tread defect and they will opt to replace all four at no charge. Great. Two months later, the tires are in and viola, I have four new 20" tires. But wait! The shaking/vibration problem still exists...maybe worse? Another computer balance/alignment corrects nothing. Uh-oh. Now the dealership says to open a case with Nissan because they can't fix it. So is this another tire defect? It seems unlikely to me (unless all the Toyo tires were from the same batch). I am really pissed at Nissan and more importantly, the dealership at this moment. They are ruining my euphoric new-car experience and with only 2500 miles on the thing, this type of back-and-forth grief shouldn't exist. I know when I had the FX - everything was perfect. I'm waiting for a response from Nissan by Tuesday, April 22. They asked "Do you want a new vehicle?" I said "Well yes - if you can't fix this one - obviously" ...though I'd hate to have to reload dozens of CDs to the HDD Music Box! Now other issues: I saw a post here about backrolling: mine does too - on hills. The Driver outside rearview mirror is optically distorted (everything is fat like stretching your 4:3 TV image to a 16:9 widescreen set). The moonroof only opens about 3/4 of the way..why not all the way like on the Ford Edge? Why don't the rear windows go down all the way? Why does getting the NAV system delete the rearview mirror compass? And why to I have to listen to a nagging woman's voice on the Nav...where's the dude? My list of complaints on the '09 Murano is short and nitpicky. Handling is decent (the tires could use more grip). Low speed high throttle starts are not particularly thrilling - and fuel economy isn't nearly what I was hoping for (around town), but pusing mid-grade 89 or 91 octane fuel makes an immediate noticeable improvement on performance. I don't like that the Nav doesn't accept commands like Acura ("find local Chinese restaurant" and the like), but via HDD it is incredibly fast and accurate. I considered the Jeep Liberty, Infiniti EX35, Mitsubishi Outlander, Mazda CX-7 and Ford Edge. Nissan beat them all for features, overall performance and (as yet to be revealed) reliability. Other than the current blunder by Toyo (the tire people) or my dealership (Montrose/Hermitage Nissan, Hermitage PA), the car was a good choice. I'm not in love with the overdone upswept rear-window or bulbous back end, but driving it seals the deal. Oh, and no one has called it ugly like I keep reading. Everyone I know thinks it's awesome or at least very good looking. So front-end critics, get over yourselves. I'll update this after the resolve by Nissan.
  • All '09 Muranos and Altimas have intellikey. You can disable it by controls within the nav and setup screens (all Muranos have a setup screen). It is possible that it is just failing...If your dealer can't fix it, call and [non-permissible content removed] at Nissan.
  • fitcfitc Posts: 11
    Not ALL 2009 Murano's have IntelliKey - let's not create confusion here. And the 2009 Altima isn't out yet, afaik. I believe what you are saying is indeed true for the 2008 Altima though.

    _fitc_
  • If you continue to have the vibration issues I would recommend filing a case with the BBB auto program. Make sure to have all your documentation for when it has been in the dealer's shop.

    I did this with my '04 Maxima that had vibration issues and first Nissan settled by sending me a $2k check and flying out a tech to repair. After several more months I re-opened my case and Nissan repurchased my car for the entire price I paid, including tax (-$2k for mileage depreciation).

    It could also be an issue with your rims and not just the Toyos, have the dealer put another set of 20s or the SL 18s and test it out.
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