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2008 Toyota Sequoia

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  • aybe you should drop $50+K on the Yukon Hybrid and tell us how you like replacing all those batteries in 50,000miles after the warranty expires.

    Fatboy, All GM Vehicles now come with a 100,000 mile warranty
  • toddhmtoddhm Posts: 35
    A lot of manufacturers seem reluctant to put HIDs/Xenons on their trucks and SUVs. My guess is that because trucks and SUVs sit higher than cars, the HIDs have the potential to blind oncoming car drivers, possibly causing accidents and creating a liability issue for the manufactuers who do not want to be sued.
  • hdfatboyhdfatboy Posts: 324
    According to Edmunds, here's the GM warranty on the Tahoe/Yukon hybrid:

    Basic: 3 yr. / 36,000 mi.
    Drivetrain: 5 yr. / 100,000 mi.
    Hybrid Component: 8 yr. / 100,000 mi.
    Roadside: 5 yr. / 100,000 mi.
    Rust: 6 yr. / 100,000 mi.

    It'll be curious to see if GM categorizes the batteries as part of the Basic, Drivetrain or Hybrid coverage. The normal starting battery is covered as part of the Basic warranty and even then you only get a pro-rated value for the remaining life of the battery. My guess is that the batteries themselves will be under the Basic coverage while the actual electric "booster" motor on the tranny is covered under the drivetrain or hybrid warranty.

    I can just the hear conversation with the dealership at 50K miles now..."Hybrid owner: my fuel economy is down and I think the batteries aren't holding their full charge...I want my batteries replaced under the warranty....Dealer: I'm sorry sir, but the batteries are operating properly...it must be the way you're operating the vehicle...you're accelerating too hard".

    Either way, what do you think the resale value is going to be based on the second owner having to pony up thousands of $ for the replacement batteries?

    I see GM (and other car makers) making as much off replacement battery sales as they do off the original sale of a hybrid vehicle. Of course the primary owners of hybrid vehicles are going to be left holding the bag as the resale value plummets to a number that reflects the used value of the vehicle minus the replacement cost of a new set of batteries.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    The Sequoia is based on the Tundra, hence the same dashboard layout.
  • keg97keg97 Posts: 189
    Right-understand that, but there is still the issue of trying to sell a 60K SUV with a 25K truck interior in it. My point was just that if the LC interior was in the 60K Sequoia Platinum edition (instead of the lipstick on the pig 25K Tundra dash), we'd be definitely purchasing a Sequoia.
  • The MSRP was 73k and he was willing to sell at 65k. The MSRP of the platinum was 59600 and he was willing to sell at 55k
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    We also sell 45k Tundras and no one complains about the same dash. ;)
  • keg97keg97 Posts: 189
    Two thoughts there....
    First- there is a sizeable jump in price from 45K to 55/60K for a loaded Platinum. You're changing your comparison group from Nissan/Ford/Chevy to Cadillac/Denali/Infiniti/Mercedes. Big difference there.

    Second- The Tundra is a truck and while I'm sure there are people who buy them "just to have", there are less families buying Tundras as the family station wagon as families buying a Seqouia as their family station wagon. Different uses bring different expectations.
  • shark715shark715 Posts: 380
    Does anyone know what the Toyota Electronic Modulated Suspension (H-TEMS) is on the Platimum? Does that include the rear air suspension? My reason for asking is that I plan to do some very heavy towing. What's the maximum allowable tongue weight (assuming a weight distributing hitch)? Has anyone here done any heavy towing with an '08 Sequoia yet? Thanks in advance for your help.
  • The Sequoia is generations ahead of the Escalade in terms of engine technology and drive train. The Toyota will also be far superior to the Escalade in terms of reliability and refinement.

    Yes the Escalade has a nicer dash and is defnitely a better looking car

    Ultimately your choice will depend on what your preferences. I would rather prefer a car that has the qualities of the Sequoia.
  • hdfatboyhdfatboy Posts: 324
    "Does anyone know what the Toyota Electronic Modulated Suspension (H-TEMS) is on the Platimum? Does that include the rear air suspension? My reason for asking is that I plan to do some very heavy towing. What's the maximum allowable tongue weight (assuming a weight distributing hitch)? Has anyone here done any heavy towing with an '08 Sequoia yet? Thanks in advance for your help."

    The 2wd Platinum (with H-TEMS) has a tow rating of 9100lbs and the 4wd version has a rating of 8800lbs. Generally you would want between 10 & 15% of the towed vehicle's weight on the tongue of the trailer. http://www.etrailer.com/faq_trailertowtips.aspx

    There is no such thing as a vehicle tongue weight rating as its a function of the overall vehicle's payload rating and how much load is in the vehicle versus on the tongue. To be on the conservative side, you would generally not want your vehicles load plus the tongue weight to exceed the vehicle's payload rating. In the case of the 2wd Platinum that would be 1330 lbs.
  • I have a 2007 Tundra, and although there isnt a specific VSC off button, you can still shut it down completely. You first, push the traction control button off, then right after that, hold it again for about 5 seconds. The VSC off light should appear right next to the traction control light. This procedure must be done when when the car is stopped.
  • fshifshi Posts: 57
    it is a joke that you mention prius and tahoe in the same post, does anyone cross shop these two? I care green, but not to the extreme to sacrifice capability. Tahoe is the best compromise as I see it.

    As you mention MB, did we talk in tahoe's forum before? hehe, old friend.
  • shark715shark715 Posts: 380
    I was hoping that the factory towing hitch would be labeled with two maximum tongue weights...one for a weight carrying hitch, and the other for a weight distributing hitch, and/or there would be a mention of this in someone's owners manual. Has anyone seen anything like this?

    Does anyone know what the H-TEMS system on the Platinum is? And can you still get the rear air suspension with it?

    Also, does anyone know why the tow rating is so different for an SR5 versus Limited versus Platimum? The brochure indicates that the total vehicle weight is not that much different between them. With the 5.7 engine the SR5 is rated at 9600, but the Limited and Platimum are rating at only 9100 and 8800 respectively.
  • I have been told that even though there is an option for 20" wheels on the the 2008 Toyota Sequoia Limited, that in my region it is not available from Toyota as of yet. I live in CT. My dealership took the order, but I have been told this from other dealerships. I have been waiting for the vehicle for about 5 weeks. Does anyone know if this statement is true?
  • hdfatboyhdfatboy Posts: 324
    The referemce to the Prius was definitely a joke.... just making the point that buying a vehicle primarily because it has the right image is a little ridiculous IMO. However I recognize that many people buy their vehicles to give their neighbors the right "image" and in fact the car companies sell their products based on image.

    Just not my approach to buying a vehicle, but I guess it works for others. Image is alot less important to me than it seems to be for others (or then it was to me when I was younger). I'm more interested in the features and benefits and do they meet my needs or wants.

    I don't think I've ever been on the Tahoe forum, although it is possible.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    It's never been a comparison between Mercedes, Escalade,Infiniti, etc., that's what we have Lexus for. The Sequoia was always meant to be a competitor to the Ford Expedition, Chevy Tahoe/Suburban which it has beat my a mile. It's certain folks that always compare Toyota to luxury or semi luxury vehicles and we end up with Toyota being a better value overall.
    :shades:
  • Has anyone been successful with XM radio via the factory JBL system (i.e. not aftermarket) with an '08 Sequoia? There is a $469 Tuner & antenna option (RX6), but I have yet to hear of anyone with XM radio in the new Sequoia.
  • samcemsamcem Posts: 5
    This morning I hit 375 miles on my new Sequoia and the check engine light went on! I have a service appointment tomorrow and I hope it is something simple.
    :sick:
  • keg97keg97 Posts: 189
    I respectfully disagree on both accounts.

    Lexus has no comparable vehicle to the Sequoia. In fact, I think that I've seen Toyota marketing attempt to make the link btwn the Platinum being "Lexus-like".

    While there are obviously many ways to draw the parameters for a comparison group, many of us use the price. Making that assumption, the comparison group for a Sequoia Platinum is the Mercedes, Escalade, QX56, Navigator, etc. Value is then measured in many different manners as well, and Toyota has some advantages and some distinct disadvantages. Those have been well documented in these threads.
  • keg97keg97 Posts: 189
    The Sequoia is generations ahead of the Escalade in terms of engine technology and drive train. The Toyota will also be far superior to the Escalade in terms of reliability and refinement.

    Can you elaborate on the first statement? Both have similar HP/torque figures and 6 speed autos.

    You won't be able to elaborate on the last statement since that is purely subjective and clearly biased based upon your perception.
  • kjshankjshan Posts: 5
    Which model has the better use of the third row? For that matter, what full size SUVs have a good third row seat option? I have a Volvo XC90, and we have quickly outgrown the use of the third row. Why do these kids keep growing?
  • The toyota engine with dual overhead camshafts on each cylinder bank makes almost the same power as the GM pushrod motor with half a liter less displacement. The toyota motor recommends regular unleaded, the GM motor recommends premium. Suffice to say the GM motor will likely not make the advertised power numbers on regular gas as the ECU will retard time at the first sign of engine knock. The toyota motor is also more fuel efficient, albeit marginally. The toyota motor and drivetrain is more refined from a NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) perspective.
  • The Toyota also has variable valve timing on both intake and exhaust.
    We looked extensively at the Lexus, Toyota, Mercedes and Escalade.
    The third row seats in all but the 2008 Sequoia, Lexus 570 and Mercedes Gl are worthless for any size above toddler.
    The Mercedes is certainly a nice truck but to get it equipped right you will have it up around $72,000 msrp. And the maintenance would be very expensive and reliability not too great.
    If money were not an object there is not any doubt that the new Lexus 570 would have been our choice. Real nice.
    The Escalade had an awsum interior (except for the third row seat) and lots of "bling" if that your thing, but they depreciate more than any of the others we looked at.
    The Denali was nice and seems to hold it's resale better than the Escalade but was noisy and again no useable third row seat. None of the GMs have Blue-Tooth.
    We eventually decided on the Sequoia as it had everthing the new Lexus had (although not as opulant) with lots of room and great third row seat that folds flat.
    We have about 400 miles on it and it has gotten 17 mpg with 15/85 mix in town and highway. I'm certain it will get better than 18 with just highway miles.
  • Sequoia has due to the change to independent rear suspension. If money is not a concern you might check out the new Lexus 570 as it now also has an independent rear suspension. LandCruiser may follow suit.
  • hdfatboyhdfatboy Posts: 324
    "If money is not a concern you might check out the new Lexus 570 as it now also has an independent rear suspension. LandCruiser may follow suit. "

    Actually, the LX570 retains a solid axle in the rear. It also does not have a 3rd row seat that folds flat into the floor. Of the large Toyota SUVs, only the Sequoia has an independent rear suspension with fold flat 3rd row seats.

    Given that the LX570 is a newly redesigned vehicle and that the LC is the same design, its not very likely that either will get an independent rear suspension anytime soon (if ever).

    "The four-link trailing-arm rear suspension retains the solid-axle configuration for strength and durability. Camber rigidity is increased, as is bearing rigidity, and all bushings are enlarged"

    http://www.toyoland.com/news/?p=95
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,020
    possibly causing accidents and creating a liability issue for the manufactuers who do not want to be sued.

    I hate those lights and think you are right. I high beam them every time they approach. Seems the BMW lights are the worst for blinding oncoming cars. They should be outlawed and soon.
  • hdfatboyhdfatboy Posts: 324
    "If money were not an object there is not any doubt that the new Lexus 570 would have been our choice. Real nice."

    I'm curious if folks would actually choose the LX570 over the Sequoia if money were no object? In reality the LX570 is a somewhat dated albeit nicely executed design. It is far smaller inside than a Sequoia. It does not have an independent rear suspension and therefore does not have a fold flat rear seat. The 2nd row leg is far less than the Sequoia and the LX does not have the sliding 2nd row or reclining 3rd row seats. The 3rd row seats are described as comparable to many of the smaller x-over SUVs in this article http://www.cars.com/go/features/autoshows/vehicle.jsp?vehicletype=production&aut- oshowyear=2007&vehicle=production_lexus_lx570&make=Lexus&model=LX+570

    The difference in price was not a significant factor in my buying decision and if I thought the LX was a better design I would have bought it.

    Its my guess that Toyota purposefully kept the Platinum Sequoia's interior somewhat "pedestrian" to avoid the complete wipe-out of the newly launched LX570. Who in their right mind would buy the LX if they could get the Sequoia with a premium interior with "babinga wood & a craftsman leather interior"? My opinion is....no one. Even with the "crawl" capabity advantage which will never be used by the average LX owner.

    I think this is also why they decided not to launch a Lexus "Sequoia". If they did, it would have eliminated LX sales, just as I think the Sequoia is likely to wipe out the minimal remaining LC sales in the US. The Japanese do not want to see the US demise of the LX or the LC (yet) because these products are made in Japan...employing Japanese. The Sequoia is made for Americans primarily by Americans. Unfortunately that may mean that a high end Sequoia interior is not likely any time soon, if it is at the expense of the LX/LC Japanese Platform in the US. Much of the higher price of the LC and LX is directly due to this vehicle being imported vs being made domestically.

    Just my opinion without facts to support the view, however I think my view will be born out if they avoid giving the Sequoia a high end interior. If they do upgrade the interior (and I hope they do), it will result in the LX/LC platform being solely destined for sale ROW and the Sequoia will become a solely American product. In reality they should have made this decision when they launched the Sequoia and they should have also killed the new LX/LC launch in the US. Sales of these vehicles are dismal in the US and not likely to improve with the launch of the lower priced, higher value Sequoia.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,020
    The Japanese do not want to see the US demise of the LX or the LC (yet) because these products are made in Japan.

    My final choice buying a Sequoia was cemented when I learned they were made in Indiana. I am a "Made in USA" buyer as much as possible. That and the Sequoia was a nicer driving vehicle than the Denali. The engine transmission were smoother than the Mercedes GL. With better 2nd row leg room.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    That's not a valid comparison since the QX is outdated and there's rebates and incentives to be had on them. Same as the GM products.
    So Lexus has the LX which is nothing more than a gussied up LandCruiser with a year longer warranty and loaner cars. Whooptie doo!
    Try getting the Mercedes for the price of the Sequoia when both are equipped the same and look at your cost to own. Sequoia will come up on top. As I said before, this was meant to compete with the Expedition, Tahoe/Suburban, etc. not the luxury brands. But if you want to compare to the luxury brands then it gives more cache to the Sequoia. ;)
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