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2008 Toyota Sequoia

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  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    "NOTE: This vehicle Configurator is designed to identify vehicles commonly available in your area. If you would prefer to purchase a vehicle with no options or additional options, please contact your local dealer to check for current availability or the possibility of placing an order for such a vehicle".

    That's just legalese and not indicative of the true reality.
    Mack
  • shark715shark715 Posts: 380
    That's right, and in theory there could be a problem with a "special" order if the plant was temporarily closed, or if they were having a supplier issue. For example, let's use the example of Lear (I think Lear manufactures the "cooled" seats) running short of Saddle colored Platimum front seats (it's unlikely this would ever happen) due to a fire in Lear's plant. If a dealer ordered such a vehicle, Toyota's production system would either not accept the order, or inform the dealer that the production of the vehicle was going to be delayed.
  • hdfatboyhdfatboy Posts: 324
    "Hd, you're totally misunderstanding my point."

    Its possible however you seem to be changing your point. I never made any reference to interior and exterior colors. My point was that you could build a Sequoia with any combination of "options" from the factory list and that if you disagreed to please suggest a combination you thought was not available.

    Unless your position has changed, you suggested that it was only possible to order a Sequoia with the "packages" listed on the Toyota "Build it" website. I think both the website and my dealership have been clear in suggesting that if you want to build a Sequoia with a different set of options (or no options) you can do so by placing an order through your dealership instead of taking the "commonly available" combination already on the showroom floor.
  • hdfatboyhdfatboy Posts: 324
    "That's just legalese and not indicative of the true reality.
    Mack "


    Of course.....I should have known...the Toyota website couldn't be correct because only Mack the Car Salesman knows the "true reality". Boy.... am I glad I bought from the dealership I did.
  • shark715shark715 Posts: 380
    One other point with the Lear example....if Lear was going to be unable to provide seats for a long period of time, you might see Toyota install "Limited" seats (I'm assuming Limited seats would be compatable with the Platinum wiring harness), and it would be so noted on the window sticker along with a price credit. Something similar happened several years ago when there was a manufacturing problem with the alloy wheels for Camry XLE's...for a few days the factory installed wheels from a lesser Camry model and a credit showed up on the window stickers.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Hey no need to get snooty. If you don't agree with what I say then say so. I'm just telling it to you the way it is. I've been selling Toyotas for 10 years, have been an internet manager, dealer exchanger, stock in clerk, order vehicles, you name it I've done it and I know how the system works. All you got was a Sequoia Platinum that was already being built. Nothing special about it. And another thing, I have nothing to gain by coming to this forum. I just come here to inform. Don't like it, don't read it.
    Mack
  • wrxcstiwrxcsti Posts: 21
    jabc,

    I'm in a similar situation in terms of trunk space. With my 4th baby on the way, I really value the trunk space since the 3rd row will always be up. I have a 05 Odyssey which has a very good trunk space of approx 38.4 cu ft. I checked out the 08 Sequoia in person and the trunk space behind the 3rd row is really not that much (28.4 per Toyota's spec). The larger trunk space of the GM XLs is the ONLY reason that I'm still considering the Denali XL. I do plan to keep my Odyssey for everyday use but utilize the Sequoia or XL more for longer distance trips or family vacations (almost always long road trips hence the need for large trunk space).

    As I said earlier, if the Sequoia makes an extended version that is another 15 inches longer, I'd buy it without any delay.
  • hdfatboyhdfatboy Posts: 324
    "Hey no need to get snooty."

    It just seemed abit unseemly to have one salesman suggesting another is lying and at the same time suggesting as a salesman your reality is more accurate then the information printed on the Toyota website.

    I'm sure your experience has helped many customers, but perhaps Toyota's manufacturing has changed from your historical ordering experiences. Particularly given that the Sequoia engine and chassis plants are new plants and probably better designed to serve the American Sequoia marketplace. I suspect they are better suited to flexible manufacturing than your past experiences with models that are made and shipped from Japan.

    I never suggested there was anything special about the Sequoia I ordered other than to share with others that I was not limited by my dealer to the 2 options packages described on the Toyota website. BTW it hasn't been built yet and the color Platinum with the interior and options I chose is scheduled for production on Feb 20. The order was placed by the dealer on Dec. 22

    I think if your comments as a salesman were couched more as "your experience" versus portraying others as lying, your views might have been received differently.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Whatever. Don't like the truth don't read it. There is no difference when preferencing not ordering we don't order from Toyota. They dictate to the dealers what is being produced with which options and take your pick. Only things we can add are PIO or DIO accessories. As I said your Sequoia is nothing special. It's just one that was already in the pipeling. And yes if you go to buyatoyota.com there are only two option packages available and you got one of them. Have a nice day.
    :P
  • hdfatboyhdfatboy Posts: 324
    "Whatever. Don't like the truth don't read it."

    As always, there are many "truths" on a forum like this.

    There's the "truth" on the Toyota website that encourages potential buyers to contact a local dealer to configure their Sequoia as the prefer if they want to combine options or delete options not already listed in an option package:
    "NOTE: This vehicle Configurator is designed to identify vehicles commonly available in your area. If you would prefer to purchase a vehicle with no options or additional options, please contact your local dealer to check for current availability or the possibility of placing an order for such a vehicle".

    There's the "truth" that other dealers are building and receiving Sequoias with option combinations that are not the standard combinations listed on the Toyota website: http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/sequoia/123052-2008-sequoia-2wd-5-7-sr5/

    There's the truth that I had a Platinum Sequoia order accepted without a rear entertainment unit included when the Toyota website does not offer that as one of the option packages.

    And there's the "truth" of a Toyota car salesman that says you can only purchase the option packages exactly as they are configured on the Toyota website regardless of the Note above.

    The good news is that potential Sequoia buyers have choices when deciding which "truth" they plan to follow when spending their hard-earned money.
  • jabcjabc Posts: 20
    Yeah, we are on the same boat.

    If the trunk space is indeed 28.4 as provided by Toyota's website.
    I may consider to buy a 2008 Sequoia.
    Will need a good roof rack for the camping gears though.

    But I am concerned about the number from Edmunds which is only 18.9.
    The 18.9 in similar to that of Armada/QX (~20) and Ford Exp (~20).
    If Edmund is correct, the 2008 Sequoia will be out of my considerations.

    Will dream about a Sequoia XL, but still won't consider GM's XL nor Ford's EL.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    "There's the truth that I had a Platinum Sequoia order accepted without a rear entertainment unit included when the Toyota website does not offer that as one of the option packages. "

    Sure it does. You can get a Platinum Sequoia with or without the DVD entertainment system. And that's the truth. Seems like you have a disdain for car salesman. That's ok. I have a disdain for blind people too even when the
    "truth" is staring them in the face. See you later. I won't be coming back to this thread.
    Go ahead and "order" yourself a pick and choose Sequoia and let me know how long it takes you to get it and if you don't get it I really don't care. Have a nice day.
    Hasta Luego :shades:
  • keg97keg97 Posts: 189
    Don't worry HD....he got peeved with me too when I questioned some "truths" that he was stating. What can you do?
    We all have our biases....some of us are just more willing to admit to them :)
  • Hey hd,

    So if I get the drift of this (heated) discussion, so long as you give it ample time, you can order your Sequoia pretty much any way you want? As you know from another thread I am getting a Limited loaded up. What I DON'T want is all the extra crap thrown in like skid pads (my only off road will be the beach), wheel locks (I live in a nice neighborhood and have good insurance), cargo cover (mine have always sat in the garage for the 3 year duration of the lease), first aid kit (I have my own), etc. It's not huge money, but the stuff I just listed retails for close to a $G. Some dealers say that the stuff just "comes that way" others don't. Hard to get a straight answer - hence my feeling that I have had to have my guard up while shopping for this vehicle.

    What is the timeframe from order to delivery? I wonder if it changes from market to market - I'm in the Northeast?

    The other big question is why the heck Toyota doesn't offer black leather and carpet in this vehicle? Gray or Beige is going to get killed by my son's Scout friends that I take away camping once a month and my two dogs - let alone the abuse my kids and their friends dish out on a daily basis. It's almost like Toyota is clueless on that issue. I guess every vehicle has worts...and my local detailer will have extra business. Thanks as always for your input.

    Ken W.
  • keg97keg97 Posts: 189
    That 28 number from Toyota is the outlyer from what I've seen. I'm much more apt to believe Edmunds' measurement than Toyota's. The Toyota number looks like a typo to me...should be 18 instead of 28.
  • keg97keg97 Posts: 189
    I don't really get the interior color options either. Toyota/Lexus and even Honda seem to commonly ignore black as an interior color. Personally, I'd jump at black for an interior color since it does hide dirt so well. I suppose that car makers know what they're doing and there is not the demand for black interiors as we seem to think or that the demand is not a fiscally prudent approach to the manufactoring cost/benefit analysis.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    And what "truths" would those be keg? If I recall you were the one to utter the words you attributed to me. Let's get this right.
    Get your facts together before slinging mud. image
  • gananganan Posts: 20
    Does anybody on this forum have any idea when full pricing for the 08 will be available in Canada ?

    The only information I have is that the "base" Limited will be $ 11,000 more than the SR5 and the Limited "B package" (technology options) will be an additional $ 4,000. The Platinum will apparently be $ 5,000 on top of the Limited B package.

    The configurations are different than the US offering. For example, the Limited comes standard with 20 inch wheels. It is not an option.

    I don't know what the base price is and the Canadian web site still shows the 2007 model, so there is no information there.
  • keg97keg97 Posts: 189
    No need to rehash several pages of your comments. They are quite obvious to most of us here. Your Toyota rose colored glasses are beyond coke bottle thick. ;)

    Besides...I thought you were not coming back to this thread ;) :P

    Don't worry....we know you like us over here :blush:
  • hdfatboyhdfatboy Posts: 324
    "Seems like you have a disdain for car salesman."

    I hope Mack decides to continue in the forum as I have no disdain for salesman. In fact I've been in sales my entire career. His experience may very well have supported his position but suggesting that others are lying when their experiences are different is generally not a good approach to selling, at least in my industry. I tried to share what I thought were legitimate sources that supported my view that Sequoia's can be ordered with option packages other than those listed as the "common option packages" on the Toyota website.

    Who knows, maybe Mack will try to meet a future customer's requested needs instead of trying to force them into a configuration that was more convenient for the dealership..
  • hdfatboyhdfatboy Posts: 324
    You should have no trouble getting any Sequoia you want without skid pads, wheel locks, cargo cover or first aid kit as these are all dealer installed options. If a dealer requires you to take these items, I would immediately be suspect and find a quick exit. If OTOH the dealership is suggesting you should consider these options because they are offering a great discount if you buy them at the time of the vehicle pruchase, I would take the time to hear them out. Otherwise IMO they're just trying to find a way to reach deeper into your pocket.

    I'm really no expert on the delivery time, particularly this early in the manufacturing of a new model where they are probably keeping the line at a modest production level in order to correct any issues before they get out the door or at least to minimize the # of vehicles on the road if an issue is discovered.

    All I can really share is that my dealer said that according to his ordering system there are some delays on Red Rock interiors and he was unsure if it was the manufacturing process or that there are more orders for this interior than original planned. If you assume that Toyota was planning on 60,000 Sequoias this year and they meet their goal of 10% Platinums and 20% of the Platinums are ordered with Red Rock, that would mean they need to produce 1200 interiors with this color leather. With such a small # of RR interiors, a couple 100 one way or the other might have an impact on their manufacturing plans for such a small run of leather.

    I have to agree with your assessment of Toyota not offering at least one dark colored interior other than RR with a dark carpet. Having had light colored interiors in a family utility vehicle like the Sequoia, you're asking for a dingy interior down the road with either grey or beige carpeting. That was one of the motivations for me in choosing the Red Rock interior which comes with black carpeting. Not much you can do about the beige or grey carpeting other than keep a dust buster handy in the garage before small spills become dingy carpeting.
  • Not sure which forum this belongs in but thought I 'd pass along my final decision after having researched and test driven the Sequoia a lot...

    I ended up buying the Tahoe....decided against the Sequoia for a few reasons: louder than the Tahoe, toyota satellite radio to use in-dash satellite functions costs $550 , remote start by Toyota is $650. I got a loaded Tahoe (lt3 package) with gps for $41.2k - about $2k less than a comparable sequoia without gps.

    Also factoring into my decision was the overall size of the Toyota and the plastic dash. I could barely reach the scan function on the radio and I'm 6' tall! The trade off for me was the 3rd row doesn't fold flat in the Chevy but I'll just remove the seats if I need to. Still the Toyota is a very good vehicle but the price point and features weren't where I needed them to be even though I was getting quotes at $1k over invoice on the Sequoia.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Since you been in sales also you will agree there are bad salespeople and good salespeople. Bad salespeople lie, cheat, and steal from customers and fellow salesman. I've seen them all in my tenure.
    Selling what's in stock if the first rule of sales. We don't get paid on "mind deals" or future orders until the vehicle is on the road burning gas. I do try to meet customers need to the extent that's within my power. I have no control over the factory or distributors. In fact I have a few cars on "order" ;) right now scheduled for delivery to the dealership in mid Feb. You should try selling Toyotas for at least a couple of years then you would understand.
    "Who knows, maybe Mack will try to meet a future customer's requested needs instead of trying to force them into a configuration that was more convenient for the dealership.."
    As a salesperson I ask customers what is important to them and find the right product for them. There's no such thing as "what's more convenient for the dealership" we are there to serve customers needs. I didn't becoma a Toyota Master Sales consultant by steering customers to cars they don't want or had a "spiff" on them.
    :shades:
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    Have you sat in a black leather interior car in the summer when the temp outside is 105 degrees? or cloth for that matter. Black interiors don't sell very well.
    And the reason I got "peeved" at you is that I don't like to be misquoted or words put in my mouth. Let's call a truce and start from scratch.
    Mack

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  • I know the Platinum has a power tilt and telescoping steering column. Question is, does the steering column automatically move out of the way when the key is removed from the ignition? This is a feature I've seen in the GX470, didn't know if the Sequoia does the same. Thanks.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    It moves. Nice feature.
  • hdfatboyhdfatboy Posts: 324
    My guess is that you're actually a pretty conscientious sales rep for Toyota just based on the fact that you spend time on a forum like this trying to learn more about customer's needs, latest findings on the products you're selling and how the competition compares. All good things which are probably a small indicator of how you achieved the status of Master Sales Consultant.

    I would also guess that the vast majority of Toyota reps could care less about this type of forum which is at least evident in the minimal knowledge of the Sequoia that I've found in the reps I've dealt with to date. I have to say that in my experience, GM sales reps selling trucks and SUVs have had far greater technical knowledge of their products than the Toyota reps I've interacted with. I've not spoken with a single sales Toyo rep yet that has any clue about the rear diff in the new Sequoia and whether its open or not (its open with electronic torque distribution) or that it has a Torsen ctr LSD (which it does). These types of technical questions are pretty easily handled by most Chevy and GMC Truck/SUV sales reps. Toyota has a long way to go in the area of technical training of their sales reps IMO.

    While your loyalty to Toyota is an admirable quality, too much of a good thing can work against you. Take that 2-bit advice for what its worth (which may be nothing).
  • hdfatboyhdfatboy Posts: 324
    " ended up buying the Tahoe....decided against the Sequoia for a few reasons: louder than the Tahoe, toyota satellite radio to use in-dash satellite functions costs $550 , remote start by Toyota is $650. I got a loaded Tahoe (lt3 package) with gps for $41.2k - about $2k less than a comparable sequoia without gps. "

    I think you're going to be very pleased with the Tahoe. My past 100K miles with a Denali XL have been surprisingly positive with no regrets whatsoever. As a past owner of multiple GM SUVs I was surveyed for input into their current product line. I made it very simple in my survey response.

    Make the 3rd row fold flat - manually or electronically - I didn't care.
    Make the 2nd row fold flat - manually or electronically
    Design at least an additional 4-6 inches into the 2nd row leg room when the driver's seat is set for a 6'+ driver.
    Get rid of On-Star and give me blue-tooth. or give me BT technology with On-Star. Either way I don't need my cell phone company trying to sell me a car and I don't need my car company trying to sell me cell phone service.

    Had they made these changes to their full size suv line, I'm pretty sure I'd still be in a GM, since I prefer the look of the GM interior. I find the exterior of both the Sequoia and Denali equally attractive.

    Overall Toyota beat them to the punch which is hard to believe since they've had since 2001 to get the latest revamp right and they missed the mark by alot. That's why I'll soon be in a Platinum Sequoia. I still think you'll be happy with the value and the quality of your new Tahoe...good luck!
  • greanpea68greanpea68 Posts: 1,996
    I don't think there's any other minivan with this interior size. Handling a sheet of plywood may not be on everyone's "needs" list, but it is an interesting way to compare interior cargo capacities. Anyone know if there's any other vehicles other than the one's I mentioned that can handle a 4' x 8' sheet of plywood lying flat inside as cargo with all doors closed?


    There's always the Nissan Quest

    GP
  • greanpea68greanpea68 Posts: 1,996
    Of course.....I should have known...the Toyota website couldn't be correct because only Mack the Car Salesman knows the "true reality". Boy.... am I glad I bought from the dealership I did.


    Wow this is true comedy... You'll figure it out sooner or later :cry:

    GP
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