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2008 Toyota Sequoia



  • There are atleast two reasons why the Sequoia's are not flying.
    a) Dealers are not bringing down prices much. I am in New england and I talked to several dealers. They are negotiating but not by much. The bigger dealers want full price.

    b) The dealers have versions that buyers do not want. I am looking for a black sequoia platinum with grey or beige interior. The dealer has special ordered the vehicle, could take 4-6 weeks.

    Infiniti dealers are willing to give much better deals because the car has been around for a while
  • I understand your comments. They sold 200000 tundras and less than 100 had camshaft problems. There was a big hue and cry about it. The failure rate is 1 in 2000.

    Mercedes sold 9000 blue tec diesels. They had to recall 7500 because of serious engine problems. The failure rate is 5 out of every six vehicles sold. Toyotas are not perfect but they are darn good!
  • even though i have had a lot of toyotas, i have had a lot of other cars too including a range rover, MB 320 and tahoe and by far the most i have ever enjoyed any vehicle is my new 08 Seq, i just love it. (and btw I am very skeptical of al vehicles). I am still gong to post some pics, i just have to figure it out
  • keg97keg97 Posts: 189
    Just wondering....which of Consumer Report's evaluations are "valid" and which are not? I know you won't say that all of the "good" Toyota eval's are valid while the "bad" ones are not! ;)

    No matter, it does show that the first year or two of a brand new vehicle can be troublesome. According to CR (not sure if it is "valid" or not ;) ) the QX was rough the first two years but improved significantly in '06. They did not have any info on the '07 models listed on their website, but one could assume that the upward trend would continue.

    It will be interesting what happens to the new reliability rankings since the new CR Auto issue does come out soon (March, I believe)
  • keg97keg97 Posts: 189
    Possibly the reliability issue is related to the camshaft (not sure where you got your failure numbers), but....

    CR has the '07 Tundra knocked down in 4 reliability categories:
    1. Drive system
    2. Body Hardware
    3. Power Equipment
    4. Audio System

    I'm no mechanic, but I'm quite certain that the camshaft does not impact all 4 areas.
  • keg97keg97 Posts: 189
    You do seem to be correct on the V6 Camry since that is the only '07 Camry model not recommended. Both the 4 cylinder and Hybrid score well with the exception that all 3 have poor scores in the "squeeks and rattles" category. Any insight into that? Like I said before in a prior post, that is the only thing that I would mark as a negative on my parent's '07 Camry. The fit/finish is not quite what I would expect from a Camry. Otherwise, it is a nice, well thought out, nice driving/riding car.
  • trebor129trebor129 Posts: 176
    I got two flat tires today!!!

    The cold kit is a good idea for any climate. It is a higher amp battery -- who does not want that? It has headlight washers -- good anywhere. About the only thing that is not useful in warm areas are the heated mirrors.

    I don't care about sunroofs but mine came with one.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    I noticed that also on the 07 but it's something Toyota had begun doing with the 2005 Avalon. In my estimation the quality and fit and finish of the interiors were not up to par with the previous gen Avalon. Same thing with the 07 Camry. The center console pieces didn't seem to fit right and there were lots of gaps. Not what I'm used to with Toyota qc. There are lots of complaints about the dash. Our GSM put that out this morning at the sales meeting. It was something I hadn't heard before or had anyone of my Camry buyers tell me about. It's normal in cold weather for the dash to creak and squeak but as the temp goes up the squeaks and creaks go away.
  • mackabeemackabee Posts: 4,709
    The other reason could be that production has ramped up hence there are more Sequoias on dealers lots than before. Normally during intro of a new model dealers get at least one to have on hand then a trickle and then a truckload. Sales have been slow this month overall as compared to last January. The mortgage crisis is having its effect on auto sales. Two separate customers I assisted today are in the process or refinancing their homes to pay off credit card debt and also cash out to buy a new car. What are the odds of having two customers in a row with the same dilemma?
  • keg97keg97 Posts: 189
    Interesting. Now is that Toyota getting "too big too fast" and losing oversight over some of the smaller issues or do customers have higher expectations for a Toyota (or even other Japanese cars) and are thus more likely to report smaller issues? Or perhaps a little of both? Just a rheotiorical question....
  • Your argument is very valid. People who have owned Toyota's have very high expectations because they are used to a vehicle which was practically bullet proof. When the quality goes down a little, there will be a very big hue and cry.

    On the flip side when a vehicle that had severe complaints or was below average shows improvements the response would be very positive since people had low expecations regarding the vehicle.
  • shark715shark715 Posts: 380
    Good point. I've seen several examples on these forums of a Toyota owner being extremely upset about having a single, minor, easily repairable issue with their new vehicle. No one ever said Toyota is perfect, but it appears some buyers are really expecting that. We've all seen the reports of owners saying that they have never had to take their Toyotas back to the dealer for a warranty repair, ever, but that's simply not the real world for most owners even though the frequency of repair for Toyota overall remains low.
  • mittie1mittie1 Posts: 11
    If the Cold Kit was such a good idea then Toyota would include as part of the standard package. It is now included as an option but every Sequoia comes the Cold Kit at $200 extra. This is not really an option but a standard item and it should be included in the base price.

    If you don't care about the sunroof then when did you want to pay $810 for one. The sunroof again seems to be called an option when Toyota includes it as a standard feature on most Limited and SR5's which only to increases the price of the car.

    This extra $1000 could have easily been spent on memory seats and keyless ignition which everyone seems to have wished was inclulded with the Sequoia or at least as an option on the Limited.
  • trebor129trebor129 Posts: 176
    I paid for a sunroof because it was already on the car in the lot and had I special ordered the exact car I wanted I would have had to wait maybe 12 weeks and would not have been able to get as good a deal as taking one out of stock.

    I don't agree that options that are always included should be built into the base price (from a business point of view). Manufacturers do that on purpose so that they can advertise a lower standard price. Let me give you another example... on Friday I bought my son an Estes 'complete' rocket kit. It had the rocket, launcher, launch pad, etc. It did not include the engines or wading. I could see it not include the engines, but why did it not include the paper wading? Wading is just toilet paper which they spray fire-proof chemicals on and sell for $6 extra so they can sell the kit for $20 and then make another $6 on the wading. It was deliberate, and Toyota does the same thing. It makes sense for them to do that so they can claim a $35,000 base price in their ads. No one will ever buy the 4.7 engine either. Every one comes with the 5.7.

    The alternative is they claim a $40,000 MSRP base price and include the 5.7/6-speed/cold kit, etc. That makes fewer people go to the showroom to consider it. Lots of people need an upsell it seems.
  • keg97keg97 Posts: 189
    Glad you appreciated my "insightful comments" and "wisdom". I hope that "thousands more will be grateful for them"!

    It does make you wonder though if Toyota has grown a bit too fast too quickly and is cutting corners on quality control or design/research. They established a very good reputation over the years bc of many excellent and reliable products. People likely do have very high expectations buying a Toyota compared to a Kia or Hyundai. Not meeting those expectations can be troublesome since you'd rather have a customer's expectations exceeded, rather than not met.
  • keg97keg97 Posts: 189
    No doubt that the lack of standard features is merely aimed at keeping a starting MSRP low. That gets folks into the showroom. After that, it is up to a finance person/salesperson to show "how little" the payment will go up if you add a couple of options.

    I would also imagine that the first run of Sequoias off of the assembly line was kept simple. Mack can probably address this better, but it seems that all of the Platinums that we saw all carried the same options. That might be just a regional thing though.

    The last thought is do have the option of ordering your custom vehicle and just waiting for it. The question becomes whether the principle of not buying what you don't want/need and/or the saved $$$ is worth the wait for that custom vehicle. We have always purchased our vehicles out of "want" rather than "need", so we're able to pick and choose what we want and when we get it. We'll wait a month or two to get exactly what we want.

    However if we were ever in a situation where we had to pick something up quickly, I highly doubt that a $200 cold weather package would influence a purchase on a 50-60K vehicle.
  • keg97keg97 Posts: 189
    In reference to your second point, I'm laughing to myself b/c I just remembered having an Impala as a rental car last year for a week. I distinctly recall thinking, "wow, this POS is not too bad. GM is getting better after all".

    Now reading the reviews of the Malibu, if I were in the market for a 4 door family sedan, I would definitely go check it out. It would need to do "more" to convince me to buy it rather than an Accord/Altima/Camry, but I would at least look at it and consider it.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    I think we made a good decision on the 07 Limited. I really like driving ours. I am still not sold on the Toyota NAV. Rear seat entertainment has no value as I do not haul kids, only adults. It has more than enough power for me. Mileage is poor. I knew that when I bought it. Again the $10k under MSRP was the deciding factor. When I do buy a diesel SUV in a few years I will take less of a hit on resale. I have yet to drive an 08 Sequoia as they seem to be selling as fast as they get them at the dealers I checked here in San Diego. If Toyota brings a diesel Sequoia or Land Cruiser to market I will give them a close look.
  • hdfatboyhdfatboy Posts: 324
    "I would also imagine that the first run of Sequoias off of the assembly line was kept simple. Mack can probably address this better, but it seems that all of the Platinums that we saw all carried the same options. That might be just a regional thing though."

    I'm not sure what all the fuss is about with respect to options on the Sequoias that are arriving on dealer's lots. There's only 4 factory options to even choose from for the Platinum.
    Laser Cruise
    Cold Kit
    DRL on/off
    Rear Entertainment

    I think its reasonable thinking on the dealer's part to anticipate that the "Platinum buyer" wants a fully loaded vehicle, therefore he orders his Plats with all available options. If a buyer must have a "stripped" Platinum, he can always place an order.

    Same thinking applies with the Limiteds. The dealer is trying to acommodate what he thinks is the "average" buyer for a Limited. My guess is that more folks want a sunroof on their Limited than those buyers that don't want one. That makes a sunroof a good decision for the dealer to add on a Limited's option list.

    The likelihood is that the Limited buyer that is in a hurry and wants a Limited but doesn't want the sunroof, will utlimately take the sunroof resulting in a few more $s in the dealer's pocket. If you really don't want a particular option, place an order for the vehicle the way you "have to have it" and you'll get exactly what you want.
  • Hi 3rd4rnnr
    I am still anxiously waiting for your pictures to see if you indeed were able to get a black Platinum with the sand beige interior. It seems that in some areas, including Canada, sand beige is n/a with black exterior on the Platinum.
    I am 6'1"; will I have enough head room? Sequoias won't be out until about Feb 25 in Canada, so still haven't seen one and no pricing until then.
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