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Infiniti G35 vs Audi A4 vs BMW 335i

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  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Yep, am on 18mpg with mixed driving. Not complainig though cos I knew what I was getting into. Howver the car is just too sexy to resist even with the bad mileage, its outselling every ELLPS with 300+ HP.

    The segment is going to be interesting though, the 335i is going to receive a facelift (and hopefully a more exciting interior), the C350 is getting a new 300hp engine, the G sedan may be getting the 330hp engine (hopefully with better torque that the 270 they have right now).

    And Audi is coming in with about 260 hp for 09 :sick:
  • spi5spi5 Posts: 48
    I think both G and A4 did not make it on 2008, right?

    You are right that those two cars are not meant for head to head.

    That said - If I want to drive a fun car everyday, I will go with A4, Bimmer or RX-8.

    If I want a car to race on the street, I will go with 335i and get a stick shift.

    G is just not doing best in either side. But it is a good deal, when you think about its price.
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    No more, I enjoyed our conversation and as long as we are both enjoying our rides thats awesome.

    I think you will enjoy this clip, it says a lot about Audi's quattro, its not in english though but the video tells the story

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAHPMUkhj5Q

    I agree the G is pretty affordable, when you do the maths you realize that althogh the 335i offers greater perfomance, the G is pretty close and I certainly was not going to pay 10k more for the 335xi, not worth it IMO. Those with the money will argue differently and its not for me to say what they can do with their wealth :)
  • spi5spi5 Posts: 48
    Of course, and I hope you understand this quote in following link ".....I've also driven the G35. The only thing I can say about that car is that it has some straight on power. Nothing else of that car excites me whatsoever."

    And that is exact what I feel. Ford Mustang may run even faster.

    http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4471049&postcount=7
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Coming from someone who drives a 325i, whatever.
  • spi5spi5 Posts: 48
    So he mean G is even worse than 325i not 330i. No sure if 325i and G was about the same price. If so, I would pick 325i without doubt in those two.
  • spi5spi5 Posts: 48
    16MPG is on par of a mid size SUV. My RX300 was 18MPG.
  • rascal99rascal99 Posts: 54
    It all depends on how you drive it, of course. I guess you could baby the G35 and it would return some decent numbers; but, why would you want to do that ;)

    It's unfortunate that a lot of us are looking at fuel efficiency so closely. A lot of cars that I would have considered buying at one time are no longer on my list, the G being one of them. The forecast for oil usage world wide is pretty horrifying. The auto market in China is growing 20% per year! I doubt fuel prices are coming down anytime soon. And to think I never really paid attention to fuel costs. No more. :(
  • r34r34 Posts: 178
    People in China are getting rich. They are buying Rolls Royce, Lambo, etc.

    Anyway, it used to be like that:

    A4 2.0t v.s. BMW 325i
    A4 3.2 v.s. BMW 330i v.s. G35

    Now BMW has 328i & 335i and Infiniti increased the horsepower of the G to be more than 300hp.

    Should we continue to compare A4 2.0t with 328 and A4 3.2 with 335i (and G35)?
    Is it fair?

    Should S4 be included? Sometimes I don't know whether S4 or RS4 is going against the M3. Maybe Audi should consolidate these models.

    For AWD, I think Audi is still better than BMW and Infiniti.
  • spi5spi5 Posts: 48
    It just like buying a house. You need to set your own priority - such as location, price, condition, size...

    On the car side, it is style, price, safety, power, handling, comfort.....

    IMO, any cars can be compared. Just pick the one that fit your life style. In my process to buy a car, I even compare SUV and Sedan for my own need. Why not?

    However, it is pretty stupid that think your own car is on top of the world. There is no such car. Only you have is the one that fit your need - status of rich, practical one, fun to drive, fastest that can beat other on stoplight, safety or any combo.....
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Here is my ranking

    335i>G>A4 V6 model>A4 2l turbo

    This is assuming value is not a big deal and I am keeping within the topic of this thread. In that regard yes you can compare these 3 cars and one has several factors in its favor and the last has several factors working against it. Notice I do not drive a 335i, I did not buy it but I respect what it has to offer. The car simply outperforms anything that aspires to be a perfomance sedan (KEY WORD HERE IS SEDAN). I cant think of any perfomance sedan that outperforms it, at any price. Maybe a SL65 AMG but as you can see, this is a +100k car. For that reason alone, even if the G has some bells & whistles working for it, this becomes a trivial argument.

    Now G VS A4, I am sorry but I will refer you to the sales numbers for this one, the people have spoken, not me. :shades:
  • r34r34 Posts: 178
    Yes, I think it's on the top. Even though the G may be very close to it. I prefer the fun of turbo (and we are talking about twin turbo V6 here).

    This topic is A4 vs. G35. I assume it is A4 3.2 vs. G35. Although I prefer the A4 (better interior, quattro, etc) , I think it's overpriced. You need to pay over 40K to get it "nicely equipped" but it is still under 300hp. I guess more people will take the G35.

    If it is A4 3.2 quattro vs. G35x, the result may be different.
  • tleetlee Posts: 42
    "The car simply outperforms anything that aspires to be a perfomance sedan (KEY WORD HERE IS SEDAN). I cant think of any perfomance sedan that outperforms it, at any price."

    The M3 is available in sedan. :)
  • spi5spi5 Posts: 48
    "....Here is my ranking

    335i>G>A4 V6 model>A4 2l turbo...."

    Your ranking is based on horse power. That pretty much shows what is your priority.

    And I do have fun with G's power, but nothing else.

    So, any car is good car if that fit your need. :) :D

    Don't be stupid. Get some air. Or do some heel toe with your G http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/VideosCategoryIndex/category=How%20- To#1 . That is much more fun than running fast in straight line. And that is what sports sedan really is.
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Yeah I realized that shortly after posting it. But all things considered the M3 is a V8, ISF is a V8 but I think the M3 does 0-60 in the 4s and so does the 335i so its pretty efficient. My hat off to the 335i
  • r34r34 Posts: 178
    "Don't be stupid. Get some air. Or do some heel toe with your G. That is much more fun to run fast in straight line. And that is what sports sedan really is. "

    I think sport sedans emphasize more on handling and feedback from the road, not only the power.....
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    I am glad you said this, now here is what the G offers that is not available in the A4:

    An engine that ranks in the Wards top 10
    An interior that ranks in the Wards top 10
    Music box, you can store up to 500 cds in the hard drive of the car
    A back up camera
    A CF slot where you can store another limitless number of songs and other media
    Birds view navigation, you see 3d diagrams of landmarks instead of 2 dimensions
    Keyless entry & start
    Touch screen navigation
    More interior room
    The Ipod intergration is simply the best available
    XM free for 3 months
    When I exit, my seat pulls back and the steering weel goes up to allow me easy access.
    When I start the car, the seat moves to my memory setting.
    My mirrors are set to my setting and my wife has her own settings and this changes at the press of a button
    I can watch videos on my navigation.

    I noticed you were getting personal, I know your A4 4 banger is the best for you, but this is a comparison of the 2 cars and I am sorry to say, the sales numbers do prove which is better. Take it up with Audi not me my friend.

    Besides, other than starting off with a smaller engine, your car has many things working against. Now you tell me what you have that I do not have, dont get personal and call me stupid :)
  • rascal99rascal99 Posts: 54
    An engine that ranks in the Wards top 10
    I thought the 2.0T engine did list in Wards top 10?

    An interior that ranks in the Wards top 10
    Audi is renowned for their interior designs. The G interior is just different. It's matter of personal taste I think.

    Music box, you can store up to 500 cds in the hard drive of the car
    I don't care about this. I would be constantly yanking CD's out of this thing to play elsewhere.

    A back up camera.
    I certainly don't care about this.

    A CF slot where you can store another limitless number of songs and other media
    I don't care about this.

    Birds view navigation, you see 3d diagrams of landmarks instead of 2 dimensions
    I don't care about this.

    Keyless entry & start
    Kind of nice. Some people don't like the keyless entry though.

    Touch screen navigation
    I don't care about this.

    More interior room
    I question this one. The G I sat in was pretty tight, and one of the deal breakers was my 34" (normal) waist would not fit in the seat!! I have heard others complain about this too. Maybe they have fixed this?

    The Ipod intergration is simply the best available
    Kind of nice, but don't care too much about this. I will say the A4 integration is lousy. Maybe the new model fixed this.

    XM free for 3 months
    Definitely like this; but doesn't XM offer this to all mfrs.?

    When I exit, my seat pulls back and the steering weel goes up to allow me easy access.
    I don't care about this.

    When I start the car, the seat moves to my memory setting.
    As with BMW's this is offered as part of an Audi pkg.

    My mirrors are set to my setting and my wife has her own settings and this changes at the press of a button
    As with BMW's this is offered as part of a Audi pkg.

    I can watch videos on my navigation.
    My god. Why would you want to do that? Seriously.

    My whole point is some people don't care about this extraneous stuff. Some cars, like the TSX, cater to those that want this tech. I don't care that much and don't think it makes the G35 a better car. As stated above it is a matter of priorities to the buyer.
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    So you prefer the ?????
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    I can tell you that I dont care about doing 0-60 in 4.9 seconds but thats not going to stop me from saying that the 335i is a better car than the G. I can tell you that I dont care about the superior handling of the 335i as well. If you dont care about some things thats YOU, but it doesnt change the status quo. Personally when I buy a car I want everything my money can buy, including the latest tech available, the idea of driving with a million cds is retarded to ME. The idea of having a million buttons in a car instead of intergrating everything in touch screen is not the best for me as well. But I wont personalize this, the fact is one car offers more modern stuff than the other. Now add the extra horses, then its a no brainer to a lot of people.
  • spi5spi5 Posts: 48
    That is a typo. Should be "than" not "to" - "That is much more fun than running fast in straight line."
  • spi5spi5 Posts: 48
    Let me rephrase. - If you want to know something about sports sedan, get a stick shift and play some heel toe. That is just basic. If you are that proud of your G, you should get a (again) stick shift with RWD at the beginning. G35X w/auto is just not what most people known perfect sports sedan setup - Front Engine, Rear Wheel Drive and a must have- stick shift.

    Even a punk kid can drive G w/auto 0-60 in 6 seconds. What's point? It just show their stupidness.

    r34 is right. Sport sedans emphasize more on handling and feedback from the road, not only the power...
  • spi5spi5 Posts: 48
    Good to know 2.0T engine is the top 10 engine. However, I like to say, those reviews or rewards are just for reference. Only yourself can decide which car fit for you.

    If I just trust all those reviews, I might get a Chevy Malibu at the end. Which I don't like it at all.
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    You are funny. I will respond in a somewhat personal manner as your post is personal.

    G has been rated very well for handling and road feel thank you very much. BTW, the G35X is AWD up to 20MPH beyond that its 100% RWD unless slippage in detected so in summer the AWD never kicks in beyond 20mph

    The punk kids driving 0-60 in 6 seconds are not stupid. Sorry man, there are just having fun smoking your car. :shades:

    Personally I love automatics, thats my preference and I will NEVER drive a stick. Thank you very much

    Sports cars emphasize handling, feedback & power. A car with all 3 is the better sports car.

    Now that we have seen that we cant see eye to eye, we move on.
  • spi5spi5 Posts: 48
    Again, it pretty much shows what is your priority - smoke the other car. So it may not worth to discuss further down regarding what is a fine car with an outsider of stick shift.
  • r34r34 Posts: 178
    "That is a typo. Should be "than" not "to" - "That is much more fun than running fast in straight line."

    Did I say that? I looked at my posts but I couldn't find it.

    I think both A4 and G35 are nice cars but some drivers may have some issues.
    Some drive the car in a way like driving an Accord or a Grand AM, expecially some G35 coupe drivers (sorry to say that but I saw a lot of them).
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Well thats just sad, you pay +30k for a car & you drive it like a grand am!!!

    Cars have different dimensions to them, there is bells & whistles, comfort, quiteness, handling, outright power etc. If you paid +30k, better make sure you are enjoying all those dimensions, within the limits of the law of course :)
  • spi5spi5 Posts: 48
    Sorry for the confusion.

    Also, I agree with your mature statement "....I think sport sedans emphasize more on handling and feedback from the road, not only the power.....". That is pretty much what I thought.

    Maybe my RX-8 is doing too well on handling and feedback from the road. That is why I do not feel G has anything spectacular.
  • scottm123scottm123 Posts: 1,501
    No offense here, but most of your responses are "I don't care about this".
    This is why each individual has to decide which car is best for them.
    Certainly, don't go by other's opinions or by what C&D says...

    As for interior room, I love my G.
    I'm 6' and very, very comfy in my car. I may also add that I'm currently driving an Enterprise rental for a few days, since some dingbat tapped my rear bumper at a red light :mad:
    It's a huge 12mpg Jeep Commander and it has LESS interior room than my G. I don't care about cubic feet of cargo... I care about whether or not my kids can fit into their booster seats in the back with their feet hitting my seat. The G is just fine for me and my needs.

    On a side note... I despise Enterprise. They lose my reservation for a Premium or Luxury sedan and after an hour of waiting, they place me in the Canyonero from the Simpsons. :sick:
  • I know they're all in the same category, but they're all such different cars! I've been car shopping recently (it's taking me forever since there's so many $30k-50k sports/luxury cars) and I've learned a lot in recent weeks about the pluses and minuses of almost every brand.

    One thing to note is that when you get into this segment of cars (especially if you're used to driving non-luxury or non-sports cars, as I am), is that yes reviews point out all kinds of pro's and con's to each car, but most of the cars in this class are comfortable, luxurious, a pleasure to drive, and beautiful anyway to such an extent that you only notice a difference if you drive them one after another, or if you're already used to driving a certain make/model and switch to a new one. Overall they're all great cars (japanese, american, and german!)

    Here's my take (and remember, it's just an opinion based on recent experience):

    335i - Best traits: No contest winner in terms of driving pleasurability, handling, and overall performance. Cool styling.
    Worst traits: They're so common nowadays you'll be one in a sea of 3-series, boring and unluxurious interior (in my opinion at least), options cost way too much and its near impossible to find a model with only a few options.

    A4 - Best traits: More luxurious and beautiful interior than others, decent looking, one of the best all wheel drive systems you can get
    Worst traits: Not as sporty as others, base engine is worthless for a "sport" sedan, front-heavy.

    G35 - Best traits: Awesome engine, interior looks better than BMW, quite cheap for what you get (lots of standard equipment too!), very good handling
    Worst traits: Depending on where you live it can be as everyday as the 3-series, interior not as nice as Audi's, more unrefined than either Audi or Bmw, horrible manual transmission (at least for this caliber of car)

    CTS -Best traits: Powerful engine with direct injection, beautiful and makes you stand out, classy interior is on par (or better in some people's opinon) with Audi's, home grown American made
    Worst traits: Not as sharp and athletic than any of the other cars, only slightly bigger than others but feels a lot bigger than it is, unpredictable reliability, costs more than other cars except maybe BMW with options

    So what's my pick? Well actually I'm in the market for a sports coupe, not a sedan, and the Audi A5 is my choice, though Infiniti's G37 and BMW's Z4 are tied for a VERY close 2nd place. Beautiful, refined, luxurious, and though its not as sporty as the Bimmer and not as brutally powerful as the Infiniti, its 256 HP engine is still great, standard all wheel drive (among many other great standard features), and great overall package are a nice blend of everything I'd really want, including good fuel economy (unlike the G37, which is what killed it for me :( ).

    Every car has great things and not-so great things about it, but in this luxury/sports segment it's really hard to actually hate any of these cars. They're all great in their own ways, and I'm sure you'll find what's right for you. Hope this helps!
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