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Infiniti G35 vs Audi A4 vs BMW 335i

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  • I don't wanna be rude, a jerk, or anything, and I do agree with you that the G35 is a very nice car (almost got a G37, only things that held me back were lousy fuel economy and the fact that where I live everyone and their mother drives a G), but if you don't drive stick, I don't think you've truly experienced a sports sedan (or sports coupe/roaster/whatever).

    0-60 times in an auto are just a gauge of how big the engine is and how fast the tranny shifts for you. 0-60 times in a stick are a measure of the driver's ability, as well as the car's. I wouldn't feel particularly proud "smoking" someone while driving an automatic because it only shows you got a fast car, says nothing about any other measure of driving performance (Infiniti has very good performance in terms of things other than raw engine power too, just as you mentioned, and I too believe it beats the A4 in that respect, but many of those things are just hampered by the awful stick shift in the G35.. the stick in the G37 is much nicer ;) ), and most of all it shows nothing about the driver except that he can push a pedal down with his foot.. Though automatics can be very fun as well in a car of this caliber, and I agree that they suit a lot of people based on their personal preferences. Just my $0.02..
  • rascal99rascal99 Posts: 54
    I think you made a great choice. I have an 07 A4 2.0T (the one with the "worthless" engine) and it is a great car. My only complaints, as you pointed out, is the car is quite nose heavy, and the engine can be coarse at times. I know the new model A4 is more balanced than the one I have.
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Well I didnt think you were being rude.

    Here is my take, I started driving at the age of 14. I drove a stick, thats how I learnt to drive. I know kids (both boys & girls) who drive sticks as young as 12 years ( in some countries the law is not as heavily enforced as in the US). In addition, the US is probably the only place in the world were the majority of the cars are autos, everywhere else its the reverse. So at any day, anytime I can drive a stick just as well as any other driver and so can most people in the rest of the world (other than the US)

    OK, now that we have demistified the use of the stick (for its easy, a lot of people every else in the world drive stcks), I prefer autos (realize that I can drivea stick sport sedan just as well as the next guy). Its just a personal preference. When buying a car I look for

    Engine with respectable 0-60, mnm of 300 horse this day & age
    Bells and whistles
    Pricing (the more I can get with everything from this list, the better)
    Interior
    Reliability
    Interior room
    and last, handling. (never let anyone define this part for you, thats what I say)

    In addition, the car has to pass this test: Does the car deliver all the above more than say a fully loaded 3.5 V6 priced a couple of thousands less. If you look at my list above, the Altima (this is just an example, I could have a comparable 3.5l V6). The G passes this test with extraordinary ability. All the 09 A4s, as far as I am concerned fall short in a number of those categories.

    Just my 2 cents
  • spi5spi5 Posts: 48
    One more praise you. A5 - Good taste! :shades:
  • m4d_cowm4d_cow Posts: 1,491
    Fewer and fewer people in the US drive stick nowadays. I kinda agree with speedbike, when it comes to pure sports sedan manual is just the way to go. I do however understand the preference for autos, as its the best way to commute particularly in urban areas. I love sticks, but now since I commute downtown everyday I'd have to settle for auto.

    That said, as much as a stick fan I am I'd never buy a manual G, the tranny is just too rubbery and somewhat balky.

    Btw what do you think of the upcoming A4? It's already available in asia and the looks really turn heads. I believe this will heat up the BMW vs Audi competition. True the bmw will have the handling edge, but audi will trump bmw in material quality, and fit-finish. Mercedes c-class, will trail both at best...
  • hauschildhauschild Posts: 62
    That is a good question - just how good a car is the new C-class from Mercedes??? It certainly is pricey with AWD and reasonable options.
  • spi5spi5 Posts: 48
    "That said, as much as a stick fan I am I'd never buy a manual G, the tranny is just too rubbery and somewhat balky. "

    You should try the stick shift in RX8 or Miata. It is so sweet. I miss it.....
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,363
    I tested a G35 2 weeks ago....I could live with the $9K savings vs. 335.

    Regards,
    OW
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Are you getting the 09, there is a rumor its a 330hp engine plus all the future improvements that come with a refreshed model. All the best
  • m4d_cowm4d_cow Posts: 1,491
    yes the C is pricy, but if I consider the C I'd go all the way to C350. When you count them up with options the C350 will cost around $2000 over the C300 (rwd). MB has the poorest quality among the 3 germans, so personally buying C300 awd is a bad idea imo.

    What you might not notice is the C is now cheaper than both A4 and 3series. A dealer offered me a loaded C350 for $39k, far cheaper than 335's $42k.

    Of course, the notion "you get what you pay for" really works here. The new C's interior feels noticeably cheaper than the bmw's (touch the upper dash and you'll know what I mean), engine not so refined, and fit-finish is poor at these prices.

    With Audi rising in popularity (and rising standards in quality) I cant help but wonder if the C will sink even lower in this contest, as a bmw salesman complained that their sales has lowered while Audi's rise significantly. Oddly, the numbers so far dont seem to agree. Audi's sales has been by far lower than MB and BMWs....I wonder which one is right?

    Acura: 12,456
    Audi: 8,203
    BMW: 20,944
    Infiniti: 9,304
    Lexus: 20,253
    Lincoln: 9,718
    Mercedes Benz: 19,576
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,363
    Yes...it will be the '09...hope there is new tech for improved fuel mileage.

    Regards,
    OW
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    bear in mind that each of those car manufacturers have different models under one roof. Mercedes has the most, then BMW, the Audi, then lexus, then Acura then lastly Infiniti. Mercedes makes nice cars like the sl series, for which it does not compete with any of the brands above, but when we are talking of the c class, the story changes.
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    Nice. I think you can't go wrong with that one. I have a 2 year lease on an '08 can't wait to get into the '10 which will be the same as the '09. Nothing else on the market now and projected for next year excites me but the G.

    Cant wait for your posts on your experience on the new car :)
  • rjlaerorjlaero Posts: 659
    Audi's new 2009 A4 will be extremely competitve when it gets here in a few months.

    Growing a huge 6 inches in the wheelbase, it'll be the largest car in it's class.

    The new 2.0T will be the best motor on the market. 211 hp / and almost 260lb ft of torque and 10/15 % better fuel economy. It's better than BMW's and MB base 6 cyl motors.

    As premium gas approached $5 gallon, Audi will do incredible business on the new 2.0T.
  • hauschildhauschild Posts: 62
    I agree and have been thinking about the advantage Audi will have since they have a turbocharged 4 banger as opposed to a V6 or V8. Certainly, there will be people like myself who enjoy luxury and performance but do not feel 300 horsepower is worth the gas.

    I am curious since I am a fairly new A4 owner whether the turbo is always used, or whether it kicks in only when you apply the throttle with a certain amount of pressure? I always try take off very gingerly so as not to kick in the turbo unnecessarily, but I'm not sure if I'm wasting my time or if it does increase gas mileage. Don't get me wrong, I drop the hammer on occassion, but most of the time I prefer better mileage. After all, the feel of quick acceleration is fun and all, but it gets old - especially at 5 bucks a pop.
  • rjlaerorjlaero Posts: 659
    Audi's new 2.0T will still do 0-60 in mid/upper 6's, and that's for a Quattro. The incredible low end torque of the 09 model is going to make that car a blast to drive. Especially with a 6 speed.

    I think the hp wars have gotten really ridiculous, and everybody trying to do 0-60 in 4.9 seconds is not what most people look for in a car.

    Even 6-7 years ago, 270-280 was top of the line for most cars. Now a G35 has 330hp in a V6. There's more to a car than 0-60, and the overall handling and driving experience will count for a lot more.

    And with gas @ $5 gallon, people will be making different choices. We're never going back to 2.50 gas.

    There's a major change in the automotive industry ahead. And Audi is in perfect position with their cars.
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,363
    Never tested an Audi because the local dealer here turned me off once so I decided to go elsewhere (BMW). I just drove the 2008 G and I really like it. For $38K, it has a lot to offer.

    Regards,
    OW
  • sjaievesjaieve Posts: 252
    I have to agree that compared to the 328i, the new A4 will be a better buy even if equally priced. However, I would not be suprised to see the sales numbers showing the 328i in the lead. People flock to BMW dealerships, maybe to get the 335i but realize its pricey and then settle for the 328i:) In all honesty I have no idea why the 328i sells as much as it does. Ultimately it sales no matter what anyone thinks.

    In addition, the A4 2l engine will be fuel efficient. But against the 330 or 300Hp G, maybe +280hp TL the A4 is not at par here. Someone said the 200/256 A4 "is a blast to drive", can you imagine how it feels to drive a 300/268 G? Personally, for up to 40k, I want as much HP & everything else that I can squeeze in for that amount. For fuel efficiency, I use my 140hp 2004 commuter car (+30mpg)

    The G & TL have a lot more to offer other than HP, details of which I wont get into as it should be pretty evident if you have read about these 2 cars.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 2,600
    Reminds me of the late '70s, early '80s. Gas prices rising and supply tenuous at times. The answer? Hot hatches! Rabbit GTIs, Mitsu/Chrysler Turbos. Turbos boosted your performance without too much sacrifice in mpg. I had an '85 Mirage Turbo, fun fun fun.

    Yes, the last several year the HP wars have gotten stupid. Sure, more power is good, but really where (as a suburban denizen) am I going to take advantage of 300+ ponies? I'll be quite happy with a wonderfully turbo'd four or powerful enough 6 (a la my TL) in the future. Unless the 8 is as economical as a powerful 6, like the XK from what I've read (yeah, Aluminum!).

    '13 Jaguar XF, '11 BMW 535xi, '02 Lexus RX300

  • m4d_cowm4d_cow Posts: 1,491
    The turbos fuel econs a bit overhyped? I mean it exists in the Mazda CX7 (turbo 4), yet the fuel economy is equal to a V6's.
    Another thing about turbos I'm still concerned of is its durability. Turbos, particularly higher pressure ones, require some cooling down time before the engine can be shut off. That is if you want the turbo to last. How many of you wait for a few mins before shutting down the engine? I doubt there are more than a few.

    Hauschild, turbos kick in at certain rpm limit, usually starts at 3000 rpm or so. So if you keep your engine at lower rpms the turbo may not kick in, if your car's an automatic, you'll have to use the manumatic to control the shifts. Turbo's main purpose is to increase speed, while a compressor (or supercharger) is meant to push torque and hammer the acceleration at lower rpms. Of course, you cant use both at the same time on stock engine, unless you want to blow up the cylinders.
  • r34r34 Posts: 178
    I heard that new turbo doesn't require several mins to be cool off, as long as you drive the car at normal speed before you shut off the engine.

    If you have twin turbo, it helps to build up the boost.

    You get the torque much quicker with a turbo car. It is more fun in driving it too.

    Make sure you use premium gas.
  • m4d_cowm4d_cow Posts: 1,491
    I heard that new turbo doesn't require several mins to be cool off, as long as you drive the car at normal speed before you shut off the engine.

    Thats because at normal, presumably lower speed the turbo doesnt work. Remember that turbos dont kick in unless the engine reach certain rpm limit.
  • r34r34 Posts: 178
    Maybe it should be "the turbo will not be fully utilized before certain rpm".
    I saw the turbo needle of my Saab moved when the car started to move. Most of the torque came out around 2000rpm. I don't need to wait till 3000 or 4000 rpm. However the lag is much more obvious than the 335i.
    My co-worker who had a 300Z twin turbo told me he never noticed any turbo lag.
  • hauschildhauschild Posts: 62
    m4d_cow - thanks for the info about the point at which the turbo kicks in.

    I am getting around 25 MPG city (all stop and go and roughly 30-45 speed limit for 8 miles to and from work) by not using the turbo. When I first got the car, I was getting around 21 - so I'm not sure if I can chalk that up to winter driving versus summer, or if my lighter foot is having an impact.

    At any rate thanks.
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