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Subaru Reliability

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Aaaah, that explains it.

    The class actually went through some cost cutting. Back in 2006 I remember the Forester had the Tribeca's fabric, padded headliner, and nicer cloth seats, too. I'm sure the CR-V did, also.

    Both have cut costs. The headliner is that cheap paperboard, with what feels like dryer lint glued on. It probably also saves weight.

    The RAV4 is no better, so this is par for the price class.

    I'd be happy with unpainted, matte black plastic trim, but painted fake aluminum is all the rage these days, in just about everything.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,450
    Interesting complaints. I guess when comparing to the prior generation, most things are a marked improvement. For example, space is absolutely incredible and well-portioned. Controls are well-placed and visually appealing, to me anyway, but that is one of those "to each his own" things. The ride is stiff, which is fantastic, but a little harsh with the 17" rims and Geolandar tires. I put 16" rims from a 2007 Forester on mine and, along with the studless winter tires, the harshness was gone while leaving the pleasant stiffness. This car is fantastic in off-road/semi-road situations; it is tight as a drum and very capable, though I really do wish the manual transmission included a low-range (as an option, at least).

    The two things on this car that strike me as cheap are thus: 1. The sun visors - cheap by any standard, and 2. Interior rattles. I have also never been a fan of the matte, hard dash materials (I much prefer the materials used in the late '90s), but if I actually touched the dash on a regular basis I might care a little more.

    I have never driven or been inside a CR-V; its second-class AWD system ensures that to continue.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Interior styling is subjective, I happen to like the Forester's interior, but I didn't comment because to each his/her own.

    I will say this - the blue LED lighting is neat, and you may not even notice if you didn't test drive it at night. Also, the lights fade in and out, no sudden on/off. Those are nice little touches that add to the ambience.

    The sun visors are cheap, but they're durable, and if you look at competitors, they're actually probably above average.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,450
    Also, the lights fade in and out, no sudden on/off

    I noticed that about everything in this car, the first time I drove it. I like that and agree that it does "add to the ambiance." I especially appreciate the stereo's fade in/out with the mute and on/off functions.

    I have never been a car stereo connoisseur, but I like that the 6-disc and extra-speaker setup is not standard (it would increase the price!); it should, however, be optional. Given that the stereos are double-din and not built into the head unit (ala last generation's Outback/Legacy), one can put whatever is preferred in there, and at least that is a nice convenience. I rarely, if ever, even use the CD player.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yep, mute also, good point.

    Pop the hood, note the nice struts that hold it up. Walk around the back, note the twin mufflers, with a nice symmetry.
  • gdocgdoc Posts: 22
    First, the interior is only cramped if you're 6'6" and have a family of wolves. I'm 6'2" and this vehicle is far from cramped. Fits 4 very comfortably. I think you're reviewing the wrong vehicle. Lousy stereo is not in the XT version, which has an excellent sound system with 7 speakers and had better stereo than my previous acura. Harsh ride??? The new forester has a fantastic smoothe ride and handles great. I'm speaking about the XT version. If you selected a CRV over a new forester, I'm wondering what reviews you've been reading? I'm a long term Honda person, but there is no comparison with the CRV and Forester. The ride, handling, awd system where far above the CRV for me.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The old one may have felt cramped to some folks, but the 2009+ offers 107 cubic feet of space for the first 2 rows.

    That is nothing short of incredible in a car shorter than a Chevy Cobalt coupe.
  • bvf925bvf925 Posts: 12
    gdoc: As stated in my earlier post, I had a 1998 Forester that I bought in the summer of 1997. Loved it immensely, but after 8 years & 3 right front calipers, faded paint on the hood, ugly giraffe cloth, and an irritatingly loose heat shield, I traded-in my Forester for a CR-V which is a Hummer (in size) compared to the new Forester. Like I mentioned, if I was going from 1998 Forester directly to a 2010 Forester, I would be in love. But, compared to my '05 CR-V which rides very smooth, has cavernous amounts of space, top-notch standard stereo system, and a tilting moon-roof, I was not impressed. I test-drove the 2010 Forester Premium Package and felt cramped in it, the ride isn't as smooth as the CR-V, and the massive moon-roof doesn't tilt. It's like comparing apples to bananas. Granted, my Honda is useless in the snow, so if I could take Subaru's AWD and stick it on my Honda I would be very happy. I will re-consider looking at an Outback though, so all is not lost. I loved my Subie, but didn't love the new Forester enough to buy another one.
  • gdocgdoc Posts: 22
    I have an 2010 Forester XT and I'm getting some door rattling. Lower speeds over uneven road surfaces. I have the vehicle going in for service this week. Does anyone know what this is? Has anyone had this repaired with any success? I find the cargo cover rattles, but I can live with this. The door rattling is very annoying. I'd appreciated any feedback I can take to the dealer. Tx!
  • gdocgdoc Posts: 22
    I've had about 8 honda products, so I totally agree that the they make a great vehicle. I'm a sucker for some power in a vehicle and handling, so I felt this was far superior in the forester to the crv. I am a tad annoyed with a door rattle I have in both doors over the last 3 days. I can say that with my honda products, I never had any rattling. I'm hoping this is can be fixed. Looks like I would trade honda's fit and finish for the forester so far. However, driving something that handles like a car (XT version) and has addictive power is also keeping me entertained. Maybe a forester crv hybrid? The Hondaru Crvester?
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,450
    I have this in my '10 Forester X Prem. as well. Mine are bad enough that you can hear them rattle just by closing them... you don't have to be driving! I have not addressed them, but have an appointment scheduled for 12/23.

    I suspect there is some wiring harness that is not tethered properly, but it is hard to say for now.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,450
    I was very disappointed about the lack of tilt on the moonroof as well, but I sure enjoy all the light it lets in. I just wish I could enjoy it right now. The cold draft that huge pane of glass creates at -20F more than offsets the benefit of the added light! Like so much of the rest of Alaska, it is now closed for the season. :D
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The tilt would send cool air to your....luggage. :D
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,450
    Hahah!

    No, it would make for a nice air stream with a front window down. Tilt doesn't let air in so much as it lets it out. I really wish the cargo area side windows would "vent," much as they do in a minivan (I assume our Sienna has this feature?). I like being able to open all the windows in my Caravan fully, without the obnoxious wind noise associated with only having door windows down.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yes, Sienna does - with power, even. Ody's 3rd row windows don't even open, IIRC.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,450
    That's crazy. The rear power vent windows are, perhaps, the best feature in my Caravan... and it is 11 years old! They even work reliably - one of the few electrical parts that do. :mad:

    To get a little more on topic... I think all "wagons" (or SUVS) should have those. I think our old 1980 Subaru GL had vent openings, but they were manual.
  • "... I was very disappointed about the lack of tilt on the moonroof as well, but I sure enjoy all the light it lets in. I just wish I could enjoy it right now. The cold draft that huge pane of glass creates at -20F more than offsets the benefit of the added light!..."

    I have a little sliding and tilting moonroof in my Scion xB, but the panel of glass in my Subaru is the size of a table top -- too big and heavy to tilt. However, I love it in the winter as it provides so much solar heat on sunny days that the car stays warm when parked.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,450
    I love it in the winter as it provides so much solar heat on sunny days that the car stays warm when parked.

    Hahaha, I bet... at least if you live somewhere not overly cold and with light in the winter. I hope that will be the case for me in March and April, but this time of year it is far too cold for any heat to build and far too dark to get any solar gain. Besides, the sun doesn't get high enough in the sky to come in through the roof! :P
  • bvf925bvf925 Posts: 12
    "Maybe a forester crv hybrid? The Hondaru Crvester?"

    :blush: Now that's a car I would buy!! ;) The best of both worlds!! Good one, gdoc!!!
  • gdocgdoc Posts: 22
    Brought my 2010 Forester XT to the dealership. They said this was the first time they've every heard of door rattle problems. I told them about the rattling cargo cover and both door problems and after 1 day gave me a call to give me an update. Apparently, they've identified the problem one door and "tightened" things up. They said they would work on the other door and put some felt to secure the cargo cover. Interestingly, when I drove the 2010 base model forester home, it had a worse rattle in the passenger door than my truck. I can't believe how bad the base model forester is. The Turbo forester XT with leather and navi is like driving a completely different vehicle. Suspension, handling, stereo and the power difference is remarkable. The 170hp engine is a dog in my opinion. I felt the same when I drove the 2010 honda crv. Even with the increase in horsepower in the 2010 honda crv, this is a totally gutless engine, like the base forester. If we fix the door rattles, I think the XT forester is an amazing vehicle. I would really pay the extra money for the turbo, as this engine really hustles and yes..the stereo really does suck in the base forester. If you have the extra funds, buy the Turbo with the navi - it makes the base model look like well...a CRV.
  • gdocgdoc Posts: 22
    No question though...base model CRV has better fit and finish than base Forester. It's just the power problem in both vehicles. Put the Acura TSX 2.4L 200hp engine into the CRV and I might have considered it strongly.
  • gdocgdoc Posts: 22
    My Forester XT was in for service for 2 days. They said they "tightened" everything up with both doors and tried to secure the cargo cover latch. I could tell when I closed the doors, it had a much more uniform solid feel. Interestingly, the loaner base forester had the rattling door thing way worse than mine. Overall, I drove the over many surfaces and it seems to be gone. I must say, I was so happy to get my XT with Nav back. What a difference, from the engine to the features...and stereo, it's like it's a totally different ride. In canada, the base goes for 25k, while the XT is over 37, so there should be a huge difference. Hopefully, the door rattling stays away. Anyone who is thinking about a Forester XT, should drive one! Besides the door thing, it is a blast to drive.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    So they fixed it? Cool.
  • gdocgdoc Posts: 22
    Tight as a drum! They had a list about a paragraph long of all the things the secured in the door. Very impressed with the service. Vehicle feels really solid and just love the ride without the rattles in the door. Even when I close the doors upfront there is a nice uniform 'thud'.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Kudos to that dealer, wish all of them were as good!
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,450
    Yes, and if you have a chance of it, would you mind sharing the notes that the service department put on the work order? It might be helpful for those of us who will soon be addressing that same problem. :D
  • gdocgdoc Posts: 22
    Will do. Sorry for the delay. Will get the report typed up from my invoice. Give me a few days. Have 2 new problems. When I am on the highway and there is a curve in the road and the surface is uneven there is a weird noise coming from the steering column. Also, weird buzzing noise with my right front speaker when stereo is loud. grrrr
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,450
    How loud is the volume when the buzz occurs? I will see if it happens in mine....
  • gdocgdoc Posts: 22
    Around 28 or so if I remember. It was loud, but the sound was clear and sounded good, except for the right buzzing noise. I'm guessing it was the speaker and surrounding casing. Let me know if you find the same.
  • gdocgdoc Posts: 22
    Here are the exact notes from my service invoice

    Cause:
    Incident confirmed on driver's side door noisyfrom inside while driving. By tapping the door trim by hand can be duplicated. Passenger door seems to be normal (this is wrong, as both doors were buzzing when driving over various surfaces)
    Visual check carried out and found no abnoram condition from all the internal door components. Shoptalk bullein No. ST-12-03-09 confirmed that securing bolts of window motor.

    Correction

    Re-tighten all regulator bolts and other screws that can be seen; add insulation on plastic cover; applied door trim edges. R/Tested and problem is solved

    Lab-op:A900-331 S.T..1.7H, FC; OAX-25
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