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Lincoln LS 3.9 engine problem

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  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,623
    Lincoln is in violation of federal law for not recalling this vehcile long time ago for its serious engine failure problems

    Yet another incorrect statement.
  • toomanyfumestoomanyfumes S.E. Wisconsin Posts: 892
    The V6 coils also fail and they don't have the timing chain tensioner problems that the V8's do. I replaced the three coils I could reach on my V6, I'm noticing a miss under load so I'll probably take off the intake manifold and do the other three. That, and the DCCV (heater control valve) are the only problems I've had in 4 years.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,623
    Totally forgot about the V6s. Excellent point.
  • cmaxcmax Posts: 17
    Why do you say the engine and components are not a safety hazard>When i say it goes into fits it bucks then dies right there.The car does not send you a message and advise that soon it is going to expire it just does it.Try being calm and nor swearing when your in rush hour traffic at 70 miles an hour with others probably hitting 80.Another situation might be merging into traffic with a semi in your tail.There is not any warning that says the coils must be replaced every 70 thousand miles when you buy this car to assume that this is normal is plain crazy.The reason you have not found many of these is a lot o people after paying a thousand plus dollars for 8 coils and spark plug feel plain foolish and they unload the car plus normally the peole that would buy this kind of car new do not want to popped the hood they simply trade it in.This car when new was supposed to be a flag ship persay,it has a big whole in the side just about where the engine is.I have heard that the trans.are a piece of crap.Ford must have laughed all the way to bank on this one.They just turn away and keep on walking they are part of the reason toyota and kia have gained foot holes in the US market.Untilyou have seen this in action it is hard to believe.You change the coils and it runs or at least does not die til????????????????.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,210
    has definitely changed.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,623
    Who said it was right or that it wasn't a problem? All I said was that the tensioners did not cause the COPs to fail and that tensioner failures were relatively rare. All cars have quirks. Audis were famous for bad control arms. The LS' big quirk was bad COPs along with a few smaller ones. If you don't like the car enough to pay for the repairs then get rid of it. The problems have been well publicized since 2001 or so. Caveat Emptor.
  • lividlsownerlividlsowner Posts: 26
    edited August 2012
    I got your Caveat Emptor, Mr. Kirby, How about Ford stand behind its product. How about product reliability. I paid a premium for the car when it came out and I expect premium performance, which it has not given since the 55,000 mile marker. No $50,000 vehicle should be experiencing serious engine problems at the stage in that engine's life. The tension problem is related to the coil problems its all part of the same mess that Ford created and needs to fix. The tensioner failures are not rare. The tensioners have been a problem with this engine that is also the same engine mounted in Jags and Land Rovers, which have the same engine failures. Rare (if that was the case) or not Ford is responsible for this mess, it's their mess and they need to make good on it to the LS owners. The car is a road hazard and will not pass most state inspections without serious engine repairs. When many mechanics don't know exactly the origin of this problem so for you to emphatically state that the tensioner problem does NOT lead to the coil problem is misleadiing at best. The issue is: but for the bad tensioners' problem stressing the engine that leads to oil leakages; there would be no coil problems. DO NOT CLAIM that my post are absolutely false because you have no absolutes in this case, akirby. Fix the tensioner problem according to an expert and you fix the coil ignition problems. I have had several mechanics look at my car and they all have a different opinion. The coils misfire because of the loose tensioners, period that caused the stress on ignition components resulting the cause oil leakages on the coils, akirby. What are you credentials anyway, you're just a argumentative Edmunds troll? LS owners check out this website to help you with your problem. Do not listen to this Edmunds Troll, akirby, he or she has not clue what he's talking about. http://stores.christophersforeigncarparts.com/-strse-template/about/Page.bok
  • cmaxcmax Posts: 17
    I guess thas the big thing with me,most mechanics run when you bring this car in.But the big think is "FORD" they just seemed to stroll off into the sunset with this car.The only public knowlege is the suspension.They think they made the perfect car if you just go by the recalls .Is this what you can expect from ford in the future.Anytime they want to they just ignore issues.I do not want ot purchase another car from anybody.As far as the problems being well documented ,well pretty much eveything is documented somewhere but a customer should not have to go on a search mission to locate it.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,623
    The coils misfire because of the loose tensioners, period that caused the stress on ignition components resulting the cause oil leakages on the coils

    You simply have no idea how a car engine works. The tensioners do fail sometimes but they have NO impact on the coils. Coils misfiring do not cause oil leaks.

    Tensioners can fail. Coils can fail. Valve cover gaskets can leak which can cause coils to fail. Once it's out of warranty YOU'RE responsible for repairs and that goes for ANY product made by ANY mfr.

    You're expecting a lifetime warranty and that's simply not realistic from any vehicle mfr.
  • You are an idiot!! First of all the LS has a timing chain and not a belt. So your years of car repair didn't seem to help there?! Please get a clue you dumb [non-permissible content removed]!!

    The 2003 LS got an extended warranty on the coils and gaskets to 10 years or 100K miles. You are wrong again! Notice a pattern here??

    These are very minor problems that with time will happen to ANY car with Cop's. Again please read.

    The tensioner were improved after the early versions started wearing out. If Ford/Jaguar had known from the beginning they would not have installed them. If fact if you would look into it you would find that Jaguar designed the entire engine and actually had 3 versions before releasing the mostly metal version from the 2003 and up cars.

    There is and was nothing wrong with the timing chain. In 2003 Ford upgraded to a stronger more quiet running chain from Japan.

    Another dumb [non-permissible content removed] "expert" on the internet!!
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  • lividlsownerlividlsowner Posts: 26
    edited October 2012
    Ok, according to two different Ford/Lincoln Service Managers and other Ford mechanics I have consulted with, Ford changed the warranty after 2002 on the LS's from 50,000 to 100,000 miles due to the faulty coils problems and the loose tensioners or timing chains (those two words are used interchangeably) which results in engine failure. These parts are made of plastic in the 2000, 01, 02 models. Ford KNEW that these were serious problems that caused engine failure and refused to fix the problem after my 50,000 mile warranty expired. My car started having these problems at 55,000 miles. This is why Ford extended the warranty on subsequent models. The problem is related to the timing chains, period and that is according all mechanics that looked at my car and other Ford experts.

    My car is once again experiencing the same engine failure problem and it is because of the loose chains. It is misfiring too, AGAIN after very expensive engine coil and other ignition repairs. IT'S THE TIMING CHAINS, STUPID AND FORD KNOWS IT. I am not in any financial condition to buy a new vehicle or trade it in AND EVEN IF I WERE IT'S THE PRINCIPLE OF THIS MATTER. FORD SHOULD STAND BEHIND THIS PROBLEM FOR THE OWNERS OF 00, 01, AND 02'S. NO IF ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT. There are plenty on the road still that are road hazzards!!

    Stop calling people names especially if you have not clue what you're talking about.
  • cmaxcmax Posts: 17
    lividls owner:
    I am in your corner once ford knew they had screwed up and this car is a screwup no doubt.They should make some sort of retitution to the owners of previous LS's after all we were the test samples for their test market car.Dealers do not even want to work on this car.Its got more rattles and shakes than an old 78 olds i have that has close to 500,00 rough miles on it.Construction sites back roads it spent the last 200,00 being more of a work truck.It has some probelms but it has used tires on it,the shocks are 15 tears old the trans leaks a little and i am burning about a qt in or around 1500 miles.I take it on the road because it is a much bettter riding car.
  • Thanks Cartaker. Right now I canceled my insurance on the car because.... well my engine is in serious condition and I just don't have the money to get it fixed right now. It's a shame. I feels sooo cheated and duped by Ford. You're right we were test samples for their test market car and they owe us .

    I know about mechanics not wanting work on this vehicle. It's a MESS and one I have been stuck with and I WANT COMPENSATED FOR ALL MY REPAIRS THUS FAR AND I WANT A NEW CAR THAT IS RELIABLE, they owe me that.

    I filed complaints with Ford/Lincoln back in 2004 and demanded they fix the problem, they refused of course and I file complaints with other consumer rights agencies. This company NEEDS TO BE SUED. We need to start a multi-plaintiff lawsuit against Ford. Thanks for your support, cmax.
  • Most of these LS models have the same engine and electrical failures, whether it be from experience or reading, moving out of gear when in park, ETC Fail Safe Mode, Missing and Sputtering with engine to be rebooted by turning off and turning it back on, Car shutting off while in drive (which I might add is very very unsafe when it happens on bridges and interstates esp with my child on board!!!!), the wobbling from the air the tends to be taken in through the leaking air intake valves which throws off my O2 sensor and again causes sputtering. Lets also go to the over heating and constant mechanical issues thrown off by the computer which was placed in a spot where it is prone to take in moisture and heat, making all these cars eventually have electrical issues confused for coil packs, transmission issues, pcm issues, etc etc spark plugs, whatever they can find to keep you coming back to the dealer for repair. Ok SO PLEASE PLEASE report to the NHTSA, they will investigate these claims and hopefully recall I know Ive invested almost as much in repairs at this point as I have the car itself. Im very sad too being a single mom and having to be "taken" by Ford Motor company I plan on writing the NHTSA on a complaint where I have found hundreds of you folks complaining of the same issues. They must investigate if enough of these complaints roll in. Its wrong, and its a known defect and that particular model has its design flaws Ford is aware obviously lets make them do something about it! PLEASE PLEASE REPORT IT!!! There are only 8 reports on their website despite the many many that are out there online. Forums arent the place..
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,623
    I know dozens of LS owners who are perfectly happy with their vehicles. If you don't like it - GET RID of it and stop complaining. Nobody is forcing you to drive it or keep it.
  • cmaxcmax Posts: 17
    We were dicussing the failure of the ford motor company to recall a vehicle that is a dangerous vehicle to have on the road.The idea that most people can just go and buy another vehicle shows lack of information on your part
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,623
    You can easily trade it for another vehicle at any time. If it was really dangerous you wouldn't be driving it. These cars are 7-13 years old already. Fix it, sell it or park it.
  • Allen, you're talking to a ROCK! Why fix it if you can come to a place like this and gripe and complain? My (my daughter's now ) LS has almost 180K mostly trouble-free miles. My '06 has almost 110K miles and my wife's '06 just over 60K. No rattles, creaks or other annoying sounds; on any of the 3 LSes.

    ANY first year car will have a few bugs, which are fixed as the model years progress; ergo the tensioners (which, BTW, are NOT the same thing as the timing chains) and window regulators. There is NOTHING dangerous about the L (other than the knucklehead behind the wheel). The problem has and will always be coils. The plug needs to be replaced with the coil (NO coil packs, grrrrr.....) as the coils will kill the plug and vice-versa. Yes, the '00-early'02 had tensioner problems. The plastic guide (have to keep the engine quiet) was changed to metal (more engine noise) late in the 2002 model run. The chain skips a tooth when the tensioner breaks and the engine runs rough (DUH!). Fix the tensioners and re-index the chain and the engine will be as good as new. The warranty certainly WAS NOT changed to 80K miles. There was a customer satisfaction program that extended the valve cover gaskets and coils to 10 years or 100K miles. That was only for (IIRC) 03-05 models. Both my '06's came with the basic 4yr/50K mile warranty.

    Simple/basic maintenance will keep these, or any other car, running for a very long time.

    This is why I don't come here often.......
  • lividlsownerlividlsowner Posts: 26
    edited February 2013
    Are you seriously blaming the driver of these vehicles for the manufacturer dangerous defects? A reader with any brains or common sense should know better than give your post any credence.

    Next, since I started this blog concerning Ford's FAILURE TO RECALL THE LS when they knew or should have known that this serious engine failure problem existed and chose to do nothing about it back in 2003 when I contacted them about my 2000 LS, please re-read all my posts concerning pasts engine repairs/replacements, etc. including the ineffective ones you outlined in your uninformed post. I am the original owner of mine and it is setting in my driveway inoperable right now due to another engine failure problem and I am afraid to drive it because it has shut down on me in heavy traffic before. I cannot afford another vehicle right at this time and I am not putting another dime in repairing the vehicle, I want compensation from LINCOLN for their defective product or I WANT a recall. I have all the necessary repair bills to back up my claim and Lincoln has my formal complaint originally filed with them back in 2003. Additionally, it's not a matter of basic maintenance. In fact Lincoln service managers along with other experienced mechanics will attest to the fact this IS A serious engine failure problem AND is unique to Lincoln LS's and Lincoln refuses to stand behind their product safety, preformance, and quality then as well as now. You have no idea what you're talking about, eaircon4jc. Lincoln has known for a very LONG TIME THAT THIS IS A SERIOUS DANGEROUS SAFETY ISSUE AND CHOSE TO IGNORE THE PROBLEM, now National Highway Safety and Transporation Board can do their job.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,210
    whatever you want to want. You'll get what you get.

    Calling the people who respond to your post uninformed tells us much more about you than them. Allen in particular has been posting since the first LSs hit the road and is about the only one of the "old timers" who still takes the time to respond at all. Several of us owned and drove LSs for well in excess of 100K miles with mostly minor issues. Sorry you weren't so fortunate.

    There's no doubt that the demographic of LS drivers has "evolved" considerably since 2000.
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