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2009 Subaru Forester



  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,302
    Not to mention the whole issue of whether or not it's a crossover, whatever that truly means. Remember, some even questioned whether or not the Freestyle/Taurus X was a crossover versus just a station wagon. I'd argue that the Outback was the first true crossover but if it's just a jacked up Legacy which clearly isn't a crossover, then the dividing line can be problematic.
    IMHO the Crossover forum is really the medium to big, car-based SUV forum because that's what are always discussed there.
    Hee-hee, I couldn't leave the cargo thing alone, but I didn't think I was starting anything. Always comes down to starting with the vehicle you need and then getting what you want. Some folks over there don't seem to get that. Too much, "I own this so it's the best for everyone." On the cargo issue, dog carrying is really important for us, and no dog wants to ride behind the 3rd row of a Sienna - not that they would enjoy riding in the trunk of any crossover. I've really mollified otherwise, and realize that luggage or dog room is irrelevant if we keep the Yukon XL to use in those situations. If we went on vacation without the hounds, a Sienna and a roof carrier would still be more fuel efficient by far. It's all irrelevant though, because Dra is being an uncharacteristically indecisive shopper, and after a year and a half still hasn't commited to a new vehicle.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,282
    Dra is being an uncharacteristically indecisive shopper, and after a year and a half still hasn't commited to a new vehicle.

    Well, I think that is preferable to what my wife did when we purchased our 2007 Outback. She said she would not consider anything except a Subaru, but she did not want an "older" one because she was not interested in high mileage or maintenance concerns. Okay, so that leaves a new Subaru. We decide on trim, I made her test drive one (since she wanted a manual), then we purchased one and brought it home. After that, she was disappointed with the feel of the car (interior rattles, cracking shift & parking brake boots, scuffs, etc) and said she would have liked to get an older ('96-'99) Subaru like our last one. Grr... that is what I was trying to get her to agree to buy all along! Hah!

    Then, she starts saying about other new cars, "oh, that looks nice" and, "we should have looked at one of those." I would not call it buyer's remorse, but she certainly did her shopping once the cart was planted firmly in front of the horse. To her credit, though, she was very amenable to my suggestion that we do a vehicular about-face once we learned we were having another baby. It was expensive to get rid of the '07, but it has worked out beautifully in terms of cost savings over the last 18 months. I cannot believe it was two years ago already that I lost my '96 Outback. My how the time flies....
  • billwvbillwv Posts: 48
    Hi All,

    Had our first round of snow here. The car did great. But, the wipers did a terrible job: icing up, not clearing the windshield, etc. These are the stock blades.

    What have others done? Do you have this problem? Does Subaru have a winter blade?

    Sorry for all the questions, but I would really appreciate some advice.

    Its hard to appreciate the good handling when you can't see -- other cars on the road didn't seem to have this problem.


    Bill, in West Virginia
  • Subaru supposedly offers winter wiper blades. I have not used them : the stock blades are proving so so, though the winter package (wiper deicer, mirror deicers, etc) helps somewhat.

    Also helps to have windshield washer fluid with a low freeze point, and Prestone spray deicer (the yellowish version in a spray bottle was wildly popular when the last big snow hit Portland OR).

    My only problem was ice buildup near the top of the windshield where the defroster could not quite melt it. That required manual clearing ever so often.
  • billwvbillwv Posts: 48
    Thanks for the information. I think I'll try the deicer. Mine is the 2.5x base, so I don't have the heated wiper area--one option I wish I had.

    I had the defroster full blast, must have been 90 degrees inside, the windshield was still a mess.

    Has anyone used the winter wipers--comments?

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I own this so it's the best for everyone

    So true, as if 22 cubic feet of cargo space were the same as 45. See recent posts.

    Funny thing is I think they've convinced themselves that 22=55.
  • sgloonsgloon Posts: 303
    Has anyone else been having the chemical fogging problems?

    I have had 2 dealers look at it now. One said it was the dash off gassing. Another said it was the cosmoline(rust inhibitor in the car). Both said that it should be done, but it is NOT GOING AWAY.

    I am looking for any advice to resolve this.

    It is so bad now that even in the daytime, the reflections on the windshield due to the chemical build up make it hard to see out of. It is greasy like, so it just smears. They "say" it isn't the antifreeze. Cleaning it is always half-assed. One dealer used industrial strength cleaner on it and that kept it clean for less than a week (although, I probably wasn't using the defroster either, as it was warmer here then.)

    Any help??? Suggestions???

    I do want to be able to see clearly out of my windsheild!!! (And all the other windows, as it builds up on them as well.)
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,302
    Different vehicles, but absolutely no issues with the WRX and I doubt there is a big diff between our windshields. This makes me think it is not normal no matter what is being said. I did get it in November though so it hasn't seen high temps. I wish I could offer advice on fixing it but cannot.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Same here, no issues whatsoever.

    In fact our van fogs up much worse than our Forester does. And the windshield takes about 3 days to clean it's so big.

    Try drying it with newspaper instead of using paper towels. Maybe hide some baking soda under the seat to absorb smells? We do that.
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,302
    BTW why is newspaper effective more than paper?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I've only used them on the outside of cars after washing, but for whatever reason it is an amazing way to leave zero residue and no streaks. Far better than paper towels, cloth towels, chamois, etc.

    I usually squeejee them and then dry off the lines with newspaper. The glass is totally transparent when I'm done.

    Does anyone know more about why newspaper is good for drying glass?
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,282
    No, but I have the same results. It does not seem to matter whether the paper is printed or not. Our local newspaper gives away its roll remnants - that is a nice place to get paper for crafts, moving, etc.
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,282

    I actually find that I have less problems when I keep the exterior windshield temperature below freezing, which means as little "defroster" as possible. When I blast the defroster on the inside of the windshield, it makes the glass just warm enough on the outside that snow will melt, then freeze, on the glass. When that happens, you are asking a lot from the wipers to keep the screen clean.

    A good low-temp washer fluid can help, as will good winter wiper blades - something without exposed metal parts. Ice builds up in there and the wiper cannot form to the window, so you get only tiny patches of wiper contacting the glass. I use Trico Neoform blades on my vehicles. They are the best I have tried and work well year-round. But, if the blades start icing up, their performance will go down as well.

    The trick is to keep the water either frozen or liquid, not alternating between the two. A defroster is not going to solve the problem unless outside temperatures are real close to freezing. When you're driving, the faster you go, the higher the rate of heat loss off the glass surface.
  • capitanocapitano Posts: 509
    My 09 Forester is only my second vehicle with a key fob remote. It seems to be noticeably weaker than the Toyota one I use on my other vehicle. By weaker I mean that if I am walking away from the vehicle holding the remote in front of me it will not lock the car. My body is enough to block the signal. The Toyota remote has had the same battery for five and half years and doesn't have this problem.

    Is this normal for Subarus?
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,302
    Mine has a relatively short range, but no problem going through interior and exterior walls from 30' when I accidentally hit the panic button.
  • bigfrank3bigfrank3 Posts: 426
    I have had the out-gassing problem with many vehicles, especially in the real hot summer months. I do get it in the winter too, and both my wife's Forester and mine seem to be among the worst we have owned with trying to get the inside of the windshield clean, and stay that way for a while.

    I would describe what we "see" as greasy, that smears easily when touched. I have tried all kinds of cleaners and all kinds of paper towels, even newspaper. Nothing is great, and I usually have to clean the windshield at least 3 times to get it satisfactory for a short while. I agree that it is a real pain.

    What I have found that helps is to clean and protect the dash vinyl areas including the defroster vents. I have used a couple of things for this, 303 being one, but what I find the best is the Armor All product. This is not the original one that leaves everything too shiny and gives reflections, but the one in the bottle with the black and blue label. It is offered as a cleaner but the small print says it also protects. This stops or at least slows the out-gassing.

    By the way, when you see an old car with the dash all cracked and split, that is because all the plasticizer has out-gassed from the vinyl. It is put into the process for flexibility. The plasticizer is the greasy smear.
  • samiam_68samiam_68 Posts: 775
    To determine whether the filmy residue is coming out of the defroster, tape a small piece of bright white paper over a section of the defroster opening and leave it there for a week or two. Then remove it, and observe any residue. If you see residue, you can show that to your dealer.

    FYI, my 04 Forester never had any noticeable outgassing problems because it has a hard plastic dash. My 96 Legacy had a pretty bad problem because of soft vinyl dash, but only in hot/warm weather.
  • billwvbillwv Posts: 48
    Thanks. It makes sense. I'll try your suggestions.

  • w8ifiw8ifi Posts: 78
    Does your fogging coincide with a recent snow fall? In the winter here in snow country I always run my air circulation for the heater on outside air source(not recirculate).
    The reason is that snow from our boots collects on the floor and floor mats. As the cabin section heats up the high rise in humidity of melting snow hits the cold windows and condenses. This creates fogging. Outside air being drier keeps the humidity level lower.
  • sgloonsgloon Posts: 303

    Thanks for your response. Unfortunately, no the fogging occurs any time I am running the defrost/heater. We haven't had any snow in a while now.

    The "fog" is not water vapor which can be wiped off. This is a greasy film, that apparently Subaru knows about, but isn't doing anything about. If I used my car every day, I would have to wash all of the windows every day in order to be safe driving the car. On trips to Denver, an hour away, it is a concern as coming back is pretty unsafe to drive due to the build up of this greasy substance on the windshield.

    Worse, it is hard to wash off. The typical windex, glass plus and other alcohol base cleaners don't take it off, they just smear the film. One dealer told me they used some industrial cleaner to get it off. I don't have access to that, so I keep cleaning it with off the shelf stuff which doesn't really get it off. It gets better, but it is still and issue.

    Also, now in the daytime, the dash and anything on the dash is very clearly reflected in the glass, so that is also not good for driving either.

    I am also very concerned that I am breathing this stuff and injuring my health. Lately my lymphnodes in the back of my throat have swollen up and it is hard to swallow, etc. I have never had this type of "sickness", and I haven't been sick, not even a cold, for several years. I'm guessing it is related to this gaseous material that I am breathing in in the car. And it isn't a cold, as I haven't moved into the rest of the usual cold symptoms.

    Is anyone else having this in their car???
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