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2009 Subaru Forester

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  • My wife has an 09 Forester which she purchased in August. Her windshield hasn't done much fogging. My 07 Outback has a terrible fogging problem, worse in warm weather and when the car is parked in the sun. I expected the problem to go away after the first summer, but it hasn't.

    My dealer's response: Never heard of a fogging problem before. I e-mailed Subaru some time back and they told me the problem was "normal" and the gasses were not hazardous (sure). My 02 Outback stopped fogging up after the first summer.

    If you haven't already, I suggest a call to Subaru to at least document the problem.
  • 09 forester my.Daughter left towel on floor rear passenger,picked up towel,a heavy towel and found it to be completely soacked.Upon further investigation found floor mat completely wet and also carpet underneath,lifted carpet and found yellow foam padding wet enough that you would be able to wring it out.Have not read any posts on this forum in regards to this problem,but have read of others having similar prolems on another subie forum.Is anyone else experiencing similar problems,or are there any ideas out there for what could be causing this.There had been no rain for previous week before discovery.TY
  • Outgassing is in general hard to remove. I've had issue with Prius, Camry and Malibu vehicles.
    Normal window cleaners such as Windex proved useless. Specialized cleaners such as Stoner Invisible Glass, or Meguiars (this one claims to have anti-haze properties) have better success.

    There was a web-based report a short time ago regarding toxicity of automotive plastics, and '09 Forester received medium concern rating; big offender was Bromine in door trim and front seat. Bromine is used as part of flame retardants.
    By comparison the 2007 Forester got a high concern rating and listed as one of the worst.
    The improvement's a sign that perhaps Subaru took this seriously and is in progress of reducing internal emissions.

    www.healthycar.org has the ratings.

    If you have enclosed parking and/or heated garage, parking with all or at least front windows open will allow outgassing to occur when vehicle's not in use.

    As mentioned earlier, outgassing is the plasticers gradually leaving the plastics that they are contained in. As time passes, those plastics will turn hard and brittle: unfortunately the normal aging process for plastics. Hopefully that will not occur within the vehicles' designed life span (and only Subaru has any idea what that is :surprise: ).
  • sgloonsgloon Posts: 303
    I recall that I was told, back when I was a kid, that it was the black ink in the paper that had some effect. I was also told that the "colored" newspaper was not as effective. I never tested it out, however, I've always just used the black based on that. I don't know the why???
  • jtezjtez Posts: 3
    Well...I am at a little over 10,000 miles, and I have had to replace 2 windshields on my 2009 Forester Premium Edition. It has cracked in the exact same place, right behind the rear view mirror. The first one the dealer did not warranty. The second one happened today, and I am waiting to see if they will warranty it. This is my first Subaru. I may sell it if it continues to be a hassle.
  • sgloonsgloon Posts: 303
    Mine goes through walls and has worked from at least 50 feet away. Perhaps it needs a new battery???
  • sgloonsgloon Posts: 303
    YIKES!!! Boy, that sure sounds like they need to cover it under warranty. Both windows.
  • jtezjtez Posts: 3
    I agree...they should have covered both, but didn't even offer. So...anyway the first one is paid and I am hoping "in good faith" that they will honor a warranty on the second windshield. Has anyone else had a windshield crack right behind the rear view mirror on this model?
  • Not yet, but a question....
    does your '09 have the automatic day-night mirror?

    I've noticed the cable for this mirror can get pinched by the headliner, and could then apply stress to the glass. That cable proved a source for a lot of creaking noises until rerouted to a position where it stopped creaking.

    The mirror itself is glued to the windshield (the rectangular plastic strut from mirror to top of windshield covers the cable but offers no support to the mirror).
  • birdboybirdboy Posts: 158
    In June, my 09 LLBean Windshield cracked also behind the rear view mirror. I remember hearing a loud pebble or something hitting it days before I noticed the crack. Since there were no aftermarket ones available, a new factory glass with heated elements was replaced by my insurance company.
  • jtezjtez Posts: 3
    birdboy,
    That is interesting. You say you heard a pebble or something hit your windshield, but did you actually see the pebble. My thought is that the noise was the windshield cracking, not necessarily due to debris but possibly unknown pressure from a "design flaw".

    And to answer another post: my rear view mirror is the "auto day/ night" feature.
  • sgloonsgloon Posts: 303
    In my experience, they typically won't OFFER to do something. But, if you press them and explain your reasons, ie that it could be a design flaw (ex. kurt's post) and not a rock through the windsheild, they should still cover it.

    They can still cover the first one by reimbursing you for your deductible and any other out of pocket expenses. Subaru would automatically assume it was a rock or some such. They just need some convincing. Also, noting the other post here, where the windshield cracked in the same place could net you the new windshield and your deductible.

    Twice is not a coincidence in this case.
  • oregonboyoregonboy Posts: 1,653
    Close inspection should reveal if the crack was due to an external impact. If so, there should be some chipping/pitting somewhere along the fracture line. Run a finger nail down the crack. You should be able to feel it, IF it is there.
  • birdboybirdboy Posts: 158
    Thanks. actually I did see a chip in the glass near the crack and knew that something hit it..
  • About 5 weeks ago, I was rear-ended in my 6 month old Forester. Initially, I thought that I got away with light damage, with just the bumper and reflector needing replacement. However, the Civic that hit me actually submarined me, crushing the spare tire well, and bending the entire exhaust system. I just got my car back on Friday,and the holdup was finding the left muffler.

    Is it just because it's a new model or is parts availability an issue with Subaru.?
  • So sorry to hear about your accident. That's a good question I'd like to know the answer to as well. Where are you located? I'm in NJ. Been waiting for a windshield for my 2009 Forester for 3 weeks now, and I'm praying mine will hold up until it comes in.
  • Not sure about general parts situation but have noticed it took 3 weeks to get a Hood-mounted intercooler baffle ordered.
    The northwest got screwed up pretty badly by a major storm in December, and Washington has been hard hit by rain recently. I-5 was flooded for several days (again).
    All of this has probably delayed some parts shipments.
  • Subaru buyers tend to be overeducated; they buy less car than they can afford and hang on to it forever. "They pay cash, and then you never see them again,"

    Wow...im impressed! I am overeducated (doctor of pharmacy), paid cash for the car, could have easily bought a more expensive car, and plan on keeping it for many years to come.

    ............big brother is watching! see you in 7.3 years.........
  • kcflyerkcflyer Posts: 78
    I too am a little peeved by the options packages. I don't want a sunroof. I do need a telescoping wheel. Why they force a big ticket item like a sunroof on you and then withhold the simple but coveted telescoping wheel unless you spring for the top of the line is frustrating. What they are doing is forcing me to crossshop more expensive competitors vehicles because in order to get the options I want I have to buy a bunch of stuff I don't.
  • I've seen the new Scotchguard shields for the Forester rear fenders, and they are about 3 times the size of the old ones. Unfortunately, my generally good dealer got fingerprints on the inside of one of them, (black fingerprints show up on a white car), so they will have to be redone.

    It also costs $170 for the new "front footwell" LED lights. The dealer gave me no labor estimate (the parts are around $40), and it took them a ridiculous amount of time to figure out the proper wires to connect to. No bargin, those :cry:
    The kit consists of two square tiles, each with 2 LED's, that get mounted under the front dash, only light up when the headlamps or parking light/markers are turned on, and switch off with the headlights (either manually or when key is removed).
    They do not get in the way of feet or anything under the dash.

    The kit does _not_ include lights for the rear footwells.
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