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2009 Subaru Forester

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Thanks, Frank.

    320 is decent, actually. The summer tires on my Miata are just 140.

    B is for dry traction. This is an all-season tire hence the compromise to gain a bit of grip in wet and snowy conditions. No one tire can do it all.

    A for heat resistance is the best rating, so that's good. Should hold up well at higher speeds and with heavy loads (such as when towing).
  • bigfrank3bigfrank3 Posts: 426
    Yeah, summer tires are pretty low, but most of the rest of the all-seasons, including other Yokos, are higher than the Geos 320, some much higher. Several of the Bridgestones seem to be the only ones less than 320. My wife's Michelin Pilot Exaltos are 400 A A. I find them to ride harder than the Geos she replaced but they work very well and she likes them.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Makes sense to me - probably a harder compound that last longer, hence the rougher ride.
  • bigfrank3bigfrank3 Posts: 426
    Could be but I expect it is sidewall flex differences. The Michelin are High Performance all-seasons so I expect stiffer sidewalls.

    The first letter in the UTQG is straight ahead wet traction, by the way, not dry.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Wet, eh? I stand corrected. It's been quite a long time since I've looked. I did that research when I got the first replacement tires for my previous Forester, so that was probably 8 years or so ago.

    Wow, time flies.
  • board_jayboard_jay Posts: 22
    So I took my 09 Forester in last week to have the puddle lights replaced as 1 was out and the other 3 were very dim. Then ended up needing to replace some central processing unit which required me to give them both sets of old keys & Fobs and they gave me new ones. Tonight is the 1st time I have driven it at night and the red ring light around the ignition where the key goes keeps flashing on/off about every 2-3 seconds. I thought this meant that the car was in Valet mode, but disabled and re-enabled the security system several times and it's still doing it. Does it with both sets of keys + valet key. Anyone know what this is? Tired of going back to Subaru, so far been there 7 times for 4 different things on a 10mo old car. Not impressed.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,714
    While looking at the '09 Xt's manual, I ran across this on page 75:

    WARNING: Do not rest your arm on either front door or its internal trim. It could be injured in the event of SRS side air bag deployment.


    The illustration shows the passenger with his right arm resting on the passenger door armrest.

    Uh...
    the door rests are padded to suggest the driver and passenger can rest their arms there, and the Manual says it's dangerous to do so?

    This does NOT compute. "Warning, Warning, Will Robinson (or whoever rests their arms there)" :surprise:
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,714
    The red ring is not supposed to flash at all. It's supposed to stay on for 20 seconds, unless before that time is up the driver door is closed , or the key is turned from OFF position.

    You might call SUBARU and ask them why the ring is flashing.

    Yes, going back to dealers for fixes is no fun. I've been back several times for various problems. However, the '09 Forester is a first year model, and every manufacturer always has glitches with first year models.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I wouldn't worry - in situations where you're about to collide your elbows would not be at rest any how.

    I just saw a TiVo'd episode of MythBusters and they busted the myth that your thumbs could get ripped off if they are on the steering wheel at 10 and 2 o'clock.

    They did all sort of testing and the dummy's thumbs were fine, in fact the only time they were "injured" was when they were directly in the path of the exploding air bag. That would mean your elbow would have to be between the seats and the A-pillar to suffer any sort of damage.

    Having them on the elbow rest pretty much ensures that will *not* happen.

    How timely that I watched that last night, LOL. :D
  • billwvbillwv Posts: 48
    Hello All,

    I have 09 Forester 2.5X AT PZEV with 4,000 miles.

    These last several days, the cold start in the morning has been very rough -- Temp about 60 deg F. All winter in cold temp there was no problem.

    On cold start the engine fires right away, but then revs and then almost dies a few times running very rough. It takes about 20 seconds for it to settle down. I expect some roughness on a cold start but this seems extreme -- sounds like a piece of junk. Seems fine once it is warmed up.

    Are others experiencing this? Any comments/thoughts?

    I wanted to ask for comments before contacting the dealer.

    Thanks,

    Bill
  • volkovvolkov Posts: 1,302
    It's all lawyer speak. I remember the same warning in one of our other vehicles. Any time you put a body part directly in the path of a deploying airbag you could be injured.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You may have to leave it overnight at the dealer for them to diagnose.

    No check-engine light? That surprises me.
  • PanosPanos Posts: 14
    Anyone experience a kick during downshifts from the 4AT? It seems my 09' 2.5X Premium with 9700 miles kicks once and awhile. A couple days ago, it was doing it constantly...everytime i would take my foot off the accelerator i could feel it kick when it downshifted. I turned the car off and took it for a ride 15 minutes later and it hasn't done it since. I'm going to take it in for an oil change and i need the windshield replaced so i'm going to have them take care of a few minor issues, so i'l have the dealer check it out. There is a rattle in the passengers door and a clicking noise from the sunroof when it's closed.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,714
    Yes, I have noticed an occasional kick from the '09 XT's 4sAT during downshifts.
    Not exactly sure what causes it but have noticed it usually happens when de-accelerating.
    I asked my dealer about it but drew a blank. Will keep an eye on it and see if it gets any worse.
  • debatingdebating Posts: 14
    I have a 2000 Maxima thats still in good condition, so I'm not in a rush to trade. But since we're getting older, looking at a smaller SUV for easier entry, etc.
    The '09 Forester impressed us. The Subaru's have a great reputation.
    I have a concern about maintenance costs however. I've read some posts comparing costs, but not actual prices. How much higher should your normal factory suggested maintenance costs and frequency be for the Forester, than say a RAV4, CRV for example.
    I'd appreciate any feedback.
    How about resale value, are all three brands comparable?
  • morin2morin2 Posts: 399
    We have 3 subarus, my 09 Outback, my wife's 07 Forester, and my son's 94 Legacy (which used to be mine). My daughter is the only rebel - she has an 02 Chevy Prizm (=Corolla), which also used to be mine. I think I can be objective about maintenance frequency. The Subaru owner's manual calls for new plugs every 30K miles, along with brake fluid and coolant changes. That's a far greater frequency than other manufacturers - but we choose to buy them despite the increased frequency. Dealer prices for the service vary and the cars themselves are not difficult for independent mechanics to work on. I do the simple things (- which is everything on the 94). If I follow the recommended intervals for the 07 and 09 - I will change the plugs the 4th time when I change them for the first time on the Chevy Prizm (Corolla). I may stretch it out to 40K and examine the plugs closely. Despite the maintenance, I was convinced that the subaru AWD system's performance and driving experience (no torque steer, lower center of gravity) was superior to that of the RAV4 and CRV - both of which I considered. The one big advantage to the RAV4 is the v-6 option. Insurance savings for a subaru might be enough to partially offset increased maintence expenses.
  • debatingdebating Posts: 14
    Thanks for the response. It's kind of shocking to see 30K plugs, brake fluid and coolant change. And plugs when most today are 100K. Is that possibly due to the boxer engine design?
    I learned when we looked at cars last summer, and the reviews for the Forester caught our eye, did some research and Subie's have a loyal following. One of my son's has the Subaru with the bed, an '05 possibly.
  • morin2morin2 Posts: 399
    Yes, I agree that it was a surprise to see a 30K change interval for a modern car and I also wondered if it was due to the boxer design (perhaps we should check Porsche's interval). I also don't intend to follow it. I'll probably change the plugs this summer on my son's 94 - they haven't been changed since 90K and it now has 150K and runs fine. My wife's Forester already has over 30K and I'll probably stretch it to 40-45k and then examine the plugs closely when I change them. I'll probably do the same with my Outback because both vehicles get almost all highway miles (mine 108 miles/day highway commute). If we drove city stop & go, and short trips, then I'd adhere to the Subaru recommendations. The complete 30K list includes a lot of "inspections" as well as oil change, tire rotation, and air filter - all of which I didn't mention originally because they are not out of the ordinary, although i usually get more than 30K on an engine air filter (but not the cabin filter!). I may have the dealer do the initial service only because things seem to be overtightened at the factory, in my experience. I look up the torque specs and ask that they tighten no more than specified. I have a Chase Subaru rewards card - and the rewards (3% rebates on all purchases,in the form of $100 subaru bucks certificates) can be used to pay for service in addition to parts, accessories, or can be applied toward a new or certified used subaru.
  • debatingdebating Posts: 14
    It helps in making an informed decision, since Subaru has a more limited customer base to ask for feedback. But since our initial interest last summer, I've kept an eye on Subaru's on the road, most appear to be long term owners. Thats always a good sign. Some cars age well, and have mostly satisfied owners. I know our local dealer has a very limited amount of used Subie's on his lot.
    It would also depend on the dealers service department. I've always went by the owners manual for maintenance schedules. And a lot of service departments want to throw everything but the kitchen sink into the mix.
    I'll have to check the Porsche recommendation for plug change for a comparison of the boxer engine. I spoke recently to a long time reputable garage owner in town, and he said the 100K plug change recommendation on most cars is a reliable indicator.
    I do know one thing, I've been very contented with my current Maxima, it has served us well.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,714
    for those having rough transmission shifts in their '09 Foresters, this info I got from Subaru might help:

    there is a Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) #16-72-07 for the Automatic Transmission Learning Control Procedure which may apply to your transmission concern.

    The dealer can apparently reset the transmission so it can relearn shift behavior.
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