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2009 Subaru Forester

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    In Arizona, of all places? :confuse:

    Now that's just bizarre.

    I know they offer Outback rentals in Colorado. That makes more sense. :shades:
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Not that bizarre. Plenty of people fly in to Phoenix then drive up to see the Grand Canyon and drivers frequently run into snow in the winter (there was a huge multi-vehicle pile-up just last week caused by near whiteout conditions on the Interstate just outside Flagstaff). Also, there's a number of dirt roads that lead to scenic vistas where an AWD/high ground clearance vehicle comes in handy.

    -Frank
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,715
    Lithia's 3 day trial period has passed and the XT Limited's mine for foreseeable future.
    Car got its undercoating today (yeah, CU claims that is worthless and it probably is, but it wasn't ridiculously expensive and I figured it might cut down some pebble and rock racket in the fender wells, et all.). May get some clear bras and other enhancements down the road but wallet is busted for now :sick:

    The '09 accessor brochure includes puddle lights.

    Meanwhile the car behaved itself in Portland's latest round of storms. Only gripe is its creaking dash (it creaks when a wheel kicks _downward_ , as into a pothole or crevice ).

    Heater seems to work ok though the car fogged up a bit with the AC in Auto mode (however, all I had to do was twist fan dial to high and air started moving). The Auto mode can either be full auto, or partial, depending on what portion of the system you set to automatic.
  • mfletou1mfletou1 Posts: 508
    Niche vehicle would be a car that's not meant to be a high volume car that appeals to a certain demographic. Usually it inspires a great deal of loyalty, but its more of a love/hate thing.

    I think the last gen Forester fit that description to a t. The new one was designed to break out of it a little bit with the more traditional cute ute look, but I'm not sure it ultimately will.

    That's right, atex...I knew I knew you from another forum...it was minivans and we debated Ody vs. Sienna. Of course, I ended up buying the Odyssey because steering feel was a big deal to me and I actually found the Ody more comfy for my 6'2 frame.

    There was a bit more road noise on the Ody, but its not bad. My parents though the CR-V was worse but haven't driven an 09 Forester yet to compare.
  • tkaytkay Posts: 99
    After consulting with Webster,now I know.... Thats one word I have never used!!!
  • au1994au1994 Posts: 770
    Hate to hear about the creaking dash, thats a huge pet peeve of mine in a vehicle. I would almost accept a mechanical failure before an elusive rattle! We have an 07 Passat wagon and virtually every interior panel creaks and squeeks unless the road is smooth as a baby's bottom. I just haven't had time to get it back to the dealer to take a look.

    The Passat is on lease and the only reason we took that over a Forester last year was the smokin money factor on the VW. It made the more expensive Passat cheaper than the Subie. The new Forester is already on the short list to replace the Passat when the lease is up in 2 years.

    2013 335i Sport Line Alpine White over Coral Red w/Black Trim

    2005 330cic ZHP Monaco Blue over Natural Brown w/Black Trim

  • A semi cut me off 5 wks ago on the hwy~~~totalling my car (03 Outlander) and forcing me into a new vehicle. This was the 2nd time a semi has run me off the road!! Beware to all!!!!

    I tested the Santa Fe twice, the CRV twice, the Mitsub Outlander and thank ja, found the 09 Forester a day after they had arrived at the Chgo dealer.

    The Santa Fe was nice but a little too big for me~~also drove like a truck. I liked the CRV but didn't think it was all that. I really liked the Outlander (also biased since the car saved me from serious injury) but was hesitant due to high parts prices and rumors of Mitsub pulling out of ops in the US.

    Hands down, the Forester won the prize!! When I saw the size of the roof, I was pretty sold. When I drove it, I was really sold. Their great reputation was also a deciding factor.

    Tried to purchase from the Chgo dealer but they did not have a Premium X in a color I liked. So, I found one in Schaumburg~~~purchased last Monday for $50 over invoice plus the Ipod interface added and installed, which is a min $400 value. They tried to talk me out of the Ipod interface but I was firm. My goal was invoice so I was really happy.

    Until, the electronic parking gate hit it 4 days later. Yes, it did. I screamed an obsenity at the top of my lungs into the universe. Surprisingly, along with the 6 inch scrape on the pass door, the gate also dented my new blue beauty. The fix it cost was a cool $643 but the car is back after 3 days and looking spiffy as ever!!

    I didn't push for a free maint pkg as I live too far from the dealer who had the car.

    The ride is great~~really smooth. I have noticed something is rattling when I go over speed bumps~~might just be the cargo cover.

    The city mpg stated seems questionable. I just filled up for the first time to track it but I don't think it is getting 20 mpg in the city. Followup later~~~

    Overall, I wasn't planning on a new car but I am very happy and excited about my new Newport Blue Forester.

    Good luck to all!!!
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,715
    If anyone has any idea how much suspension travel recent Foresters have (I'm assuming the '09 will be similar) I'd appreciate hearing about it...

    ....and I am still surprised by how flat the '09 stays when turning corners. Only other car I've driven like that was Audi A3 3.2, and that had little suspension travel by comparison (it didn't handle small potholes well - the Forester could care less ;) )
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    For us, the CR-V has Honda's typical excellent space utilization and steering. On the down side, it seems to also have what's becoming Honda's trademark, we found it VERY loud. Although I can't find the right word, the CR-V felt like I was driving an old car with a lot of miles on it.

    I couldn't disagree more with this statement about the noise. Having taken a recent model CRV on a very long road trip it was a very pleasant car in all aspects with very good gas mileage. While the 4 cylinder engine, IMO, is just barely adequate the noise level and drive of the car was on par for what the car is, meaning the car is quiet, not LS 460 quiet. My '05' XT is much louder than the CRV, but a ton more fun to drive.
  • tkaytkay Posts: 99
    Kahantina you and your vehicles are survivors. Now it's time fore some payback (good luck). I thought the Turkey Vulture flying into my windshield two days after I picked up my new Forester was unlucky, I feel fortunate after hearing about your mishaps.Glad to hear your OK..
  • deerlake7deerlake7 Posts: 162
    As part of replacing my '05 Accord and now looking to replace our Pilot, I've driven more vehicles than I have in years. The only two I drove where both the salesmen and I needed to raise our voices somewhat (obviously we were not shouting) when cruising down the interstate were the CR-V and the Accord. On the other hand, our friends have an '06 Forester and to me that one's at least as loud as the CR-V. We found the '09 Forester to be much improved. My wife, in general, could care less about vehicles, including noise, handling, or anything else other than will get it to her school. When she said the CR-V was too loud, that speaks volumes to me. On the other hand, everyone has different hot buttons, so it's great we have so many choices.

    On another note, I take back my impression that Subaru is customer focused. Our local dealer got a bunch of '09's in yesterday and most have them had $400+ optional "wheel opening trim." I hate when manufacturers put useless options on their vehicles at ridiculous prices to pad their pockets.
  • My friend commented that he felt like his whole body was shaking~~vibrating~~during our test drive in the 2008 CRV.
    He was in the pass front seat and as a Honda fan, he thought the car was surprisingly too loud.

    Also, on the CRV, having the gear shift raised into the center console would take some getting used to although it would have prevented the nice bloodclot I got on my thigh when my leg bent the gearshift during my recent crash. :)

    The only thing I would add to the 09 Forester would be side-imbedded turn signals. My Outlander had them and I thought it was a nice safety feature; esp helpful on the hwy.

    Thanks for the well-wishes Tkay!
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,715
    Wrt the wheel opening trim guards, given chain useage is sometimes needed (even when not recomended) in Oregon's winter weather, I'd rather have those guards on the vehicle (mine does) than have the chains chew up the fenders.
    The trim's a lot tougher than the paint.

    But yeah, it'd be better if those items were actually _options_ rather than "factory pre-installed" options.

    The '08 CRV I drove, the top of line model, was pretty noisy on Oregon's roads, and probably a bit noiser than the Forester was.
  • batman47batman47 Posts: 606
  • batman47batman47 Posts: 606
    I wait until now to order a 2009 Subaru after a comparison by Edmunds in two vehicles, i.e. 2009 Forester and 2008 Outlander.

    I was not impressed by what I saw in the comparison item by item and prices. The number of options in the Forester is too many and it shows how Subaru America wants to rip off loyal customers, because I think Subaru owners are Subaru patriotic

    Majority of brand new cars drive nicely not only Subarus. Going from 4-cylinders to 6-cylinders inflate the price above $30,000. Subaru has shown a disrespect and has buried hopes of Subaru fanatics with a 4-auto transmision that decreases performance by 15% in comparison with 6-auto.

    I will like to hear why I should buy a 2009 Forester instead of a 6-cylinder 2008 Outlander XLS .with the same petrol consume and better few options. 6-cylinders has longer life than a 4-cylinders.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,715
    Although I like the Forester so far, there are some things that should be pointed out for others.

    1. There are no limited slip diffs on the '09 Foresters, and no way to lock them. This means that it's very possible for that car to fail what the Outback did so well - park one side on asphalt, one side on gravel, and floor it.
    My guess is the Forester will try to dig holes in the gravel before the VDC kicks in to control that. How the steering will feel under that situation, I have no idea (and nooooo, I am not trying that on __my__ Forester !!!).
    You can see hints of this on the Subaru test track videos of '09's with two of their wheels in the air. When accelerated, these cars spin their free wheels for a bit before deciding to actually move.
    I gambled the VDC can handle this situation. However, the user manual suggests you turn VDC __off__ in those situations, which then leaves the car wide open to a one side stuck-in-the-mud.
    (as side note, the driver actually opens and closes one of the doors without any trouble, suggesting that '09 body is darn solid).

    2. The trim's a step down from Honda, Audi and some other cars at or near the XT Limited's price. The Forester's headliner's almost a joke, but I'm short and hopefully won't bang into it much.
    (side note 2: RAV4 Limited's about the same interior quality, with possibly a better headliner being the only major improvement).
  • h2k2f2h2k2f2 Posts: 44
    Where did you get the 15% performance difference?
  • Just picked up my Newport Blue Forester today and I am extremely happy with the purchase. Harte Subaru in Hartford CT...great sales dept., no pressure and extremely fair. The solid feel of the Forester sold me, along with the LL Bean package amenities which I have never had the pleasure of...leather, heated mirrors, awesome stereo etc. This was the pefect fit. IT is far above the ride of the 2008.
    I'll post after my first fill up to let ya know about the mileage etc. I love the seating, it is soooooooooo comfy and that sunroof is awesome! Just need some warmer weather! ;)
  • rubdrrubdr Posts: 4
    I am looking at purchasing my first Subaru. It is a 2009 Forrester-LL Bean. Will be trading in a 2006 Ford Freestyle. Any information or advise? Thank you!
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,715
    17.9 mph (at around 200 miles on odometer).
    Mostly city driving with a little freeway thrown in. :surprise:

    Worst mileage I have ever gotten from any car I've owned.

    Then again, to be fair, it's not completed break in, it's still 40 - 55 deg in Portland, the fuel is 10% alcohol, and the AC climate control is on most of the time.
    We'll see how it goes.
    I wasn't expecting fabulous mileage anyway - the price of an AWD car, unfortunately.
  • bufwxguybufwxguy Posts: 10
    Just curious about why you are going from the Freestyle to the Forester. I've been thinking about going from an 02 Outback to a 06 or 07 Freestyle. Bad experience with the Freestyle?
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Seems like you have experience with loud Accords and CRVs. My impressions and experiences are exactlly the opposite. While no car in this class is the benchmark tomb quiet LS 460, in the Accord or the CRV one can listen to classical music at a low volume while driving down the road. Can't do that in the Forester.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,715
    The '09 Forester is not as quiet wrt road-sourced noise as the Outback or some other vehicles, but seems better than my former Malibu Maxx, especially on the coarsely surfaced Oregon roads I drive.

    If anything the Forester seemed a bit quieter than either the CRV or the RAV4 I drove in comparisons.
  • deerlake7deerlake7 Posts: 162
    Actually, my '05 Accord was very quiet on smooth highways, it was only on rough roads did a lot of noise flow through into the cabin. Unfortunately, here in the north country we have a lot of rough payment.
  • My impressions and expereinces are opposite of yours. The 2005 Accord I traded was far more noisy-(road noise and wind off the front pillars) The accord is a good car but the Forester cabin is much more roomy, quiet and yes, Classical?
    I am doing "that" in the Forester. ;)
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,715
    Edmunds claims there is a new twin scroll turbo on the '09 Forester, then goes on to say it's the same twin-scroll turbo used by Legacy and Outback.

    Huh?
    Did Subaru change the turbos for those two '08 models without telling anyone? My understanding was the turbos used for Legacy and Outback have been around for some time. And the 3 turbo Outbacks I drove were no way as responsive as the Forester turbos. The Outbacks had more of the classic "Turbo Rush" which kicked in around 500 - 1000 RPM higher than in the Forester. Yes, I realize the Outbacks weigh more, but I was monitoring what the engine was doing as well as how the vehicle responded.
    This is not to criticise "Turbo Rush". Some folks really like that :D
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,715
    To open the rear hatch, there is no convenient "hatch unlock" button as there was in the Malibu Maxx. In the Maxx, you pushed the button in the drivers' door to pop the hatch.

    In '09 Forester, You either have to unlock all the doors (inside door switch), or unlock the hatch with the remote control, and __then__ you can open the hatch.

    If you want out of manual trans shifting mode on the Automatic, you must bat the shift lever to the right (out of the manual / sport slot). To get back into sport mode, you flick the lever back to the left. There are no paddles on the steering wheel (not a major issue as the lever is easy to move around).

    The heating system, true to virtually all Japanese systems I've seen, will send air out the side vents no matter what air flow mode you select. The airflow out the side vents reduces slightly when you are in defrost mode. Ironically, very little air comes out of the side window "defrost" vents.
    You have the option to manually close the side vents to send maximum amount of air to the defroster.
    There is a cabin air filter, located behind the glovebox door.

    Wrt Headlights, there is a niceity in that the headlights go off when you stop the engine and take the key out.
    An oddity is that for daylight driving, not only are the tiny marker lights above the headlights on, but the high beams (at reduced power) are also on. I've no idea what these marker lights are for (a leftover from Japanese light regulations of some kind ??) :confuse:

    Finally, Subaru got back to me and told me there is no "formally approved" filter for keeping leaves and other junk out of the intercooler. They did warn me not to block airflow, so it will be a challange to come up with something that doesn't reduce airflow but still catches some of the garbage that could come through the scoop.
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  • rubdrrubdr Posts: 4
    You could say that. Poor mileage (18-20 hwy), brake recalls, rear main seal at 4K miles, creaks and noise high on hwy....and more. Have had Fords for the last 23 yrs. Seems like quality has dropped. Think you would be sorry considering the FS. The FS became the Taurus X with many of the same problems (from what I hear). Why are you thinking about changing?
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