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2009 Subaru Forester

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  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,747
    is that In all the Forester models I looked at, I've noted no change in interior trim, instrument display, control layout, etc.
    What does change are available features (auto AC, leather / power seats / additional speakers and/or sound controls), and capabilities (more power, better sound, better interior climate control, more positions to seats).

    This is different from many other manufacturers (most apparently, Detroit folks) who stick fancier trim or interior decoration onto models "higher up" in the chain. The Chevy Malibu is an example: you get more chrome and decoration as you move up the model chain

    Does this smack of an Engineering approach to design? The fancy trim does nothing to improve the vehicle's capabilities.
  • tkaytkay Posts: 99
    Can you explain more where this light is, I have not noticed it yet. However this could be a first for this forum for the 09.Driving 50mph when a freakin Turkey Vulture flew right into my windshield (thats a big bird) It happened so fast I didn't have time to react. think it hit the bottom of the windshield after scraping his talons on the hood. But to my surprise the winshield held up,but did scrape the hood. Will need to be primed and re painted ($300.00) went back to look for the bird after driving @1/2 mile but nowhere around.
  • tntmythtntmyth Posts: 70
    Thanks for the valuable insight. Sounds like the general consensus is that the '09 Forester is a leap forward. The dealer sales reps think the 2009 is better. Everything I have read says that the 2009 is better. And the Subaru Crew says 2009 is better. That's pretty much unanimous in favor of the 2009. The only nod to the 2008 I am reading is that perhaps it is more unique among the small SUVs. But from what I gather, the 2009 still has all of the best Subaru genes, AWD, same boxer engine, but just bigger, quieter and better looking. I will test drive both the 2.5X and the XT, to see if I simply must have the extra speed. I wonder if they will have any first year kinks to work out?? The Japanese manufacturers are pretty good at getting it right the first time.

    I don't have any Subaru bucks you have discussed here. I definitely need one of those credit cards. I will most likely wait a few months before getting the '09. Hopefully Subaru will come up with some incentives after the '08's are cleared out. My 2001 Trooper is still rock solid with only 59,000 miles. I really will hate to let it go when the time comes. :cry: It does not have 4WD but I don't need it here in Florida anyway. I have never taken it off road except for a dirt parking lot where it performed admirably. :shades: Unfortunately, I checked insurance rates. It would cost an extra $950/yr to keep the Trooper on the policy.

    Paisan, you used to be on the Trooper forum, no?
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,747
    On the '09 the temp light is a small thermometer, located just to the lower right of the Tachometer's center pointer hub.

    Ouch wrt the Buzzard - best wishes that the shop gets your ride fixed up right!

    Hopefully the deer in our neighborhoods don't decide to jump out when I go by at night! :surprise:
  • tkaytkay Posts: 99
    Yep, I noticed it just now (it looks like a blue candle) after a few minutes it went out. Hallelujah!!!!! Thanks for the info..... have to be careful at dusk and dawn because we have plenty of deer also..
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 8,267
    Erach! Would that just figure?! Hahaha, I was certain that a moose was going to jump in front of me when I bought my '07 Outback last year and drove it home from Anchorage. Happily, I made it home with no problems aside from the car's lack of a block heater and the temperature in Fairbanks at -40 that night. :mad:
  • tntmythtntmyth Posts: 70
    I learned last year that Saab's are moose tested. Moose collisions are frequent in Sweden. Photos of moose test in this link.

    http://www.sover.net/~cbrandon/cbrandon/moose.html
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    TNTMyth, I loved my trooper! :) Cool to see other trooper owners still out there. A Forester while not a Trooper will provide a similarly reliable life as the trooper should have for you!

    -mike

    PS: Wanna sell your trooper?
  • mfletou1mfletou1 Posts: 508
    So I've been cross shopping the CR-V and new Forester a little bit.

    Its obvious to me that Subaru used the CR-V as its price point and packaging competition.

    The Forester 2.5X Premium compares to the CR-V EX AWD, and the LL Bean compares to the EX-L. Price wise, they are literally within a few hundred of each other. The CRV EX AWD is going for invoice, give or take a few hundred $23,000...which is exactly the same as the Forester 2.5x Premium. Now at that price point, I think the CR-V wins in terms of feature content--the CR-V comes with a much better radio and a few other little bells and whistles.

    And the higher end, the CRV EX-L AWD goes for right around $25. We'll see what the LL Bean Subie goes for. The EX-L CRV comes with a 270 watt stereo system, so it beats for the Forester in that department. The auto climate system is a bit more sophisticated, with digital readouts also...I think its fair to say the interior is a bit classier.

    So my conclusion is that in order to stay competitive, Subaru will have to sell these for a little less than Honda's pricepoint...which should mean discounts on the Foresters.
  • h2k2f2h2k2f2 Posts: 44
    It's not so clear to me that the CR-V wins in terms of feature content. Features that an LL Bean has that a CR-V EX-L lacks include:
    -hood struts
    -mute button on the steering wheel controls
    -manual and sport modes on the automatic
    -rear fold out tray and cup holders
    -front and rear wiper de-icers
    -more horsepower and torque
    -weighs 180 lbs less
    -true AWD
    -greater ground clearance
    -better rear visibility
    -greater cargo accessibility
    -more passenger room
    -Radio Data System
    -four setting heated seats

    Instead, I would say that the '09 Forester is a serious threat to the CR-V and Honda should be nervous.
  • tntmythtntmyth Posts: 70
    I may sell the Trooper when I get the Forester. It depends how much driving I have to do with the new job. Our other car is a Mazda 626 my wife needs to drive to work. Only downside of the Trooper is the gas mileage. Its very reliable. Bulletproof. I think it would last for 20 years as I change the oil at Jiffy Lube every 3000-4000 miles. I bought the 7 year 100,000 mile warranty when I bought it new. Only repair has been a leaking tranny gasket. They repaired it under warranty. I even still have the original brake pads. Recently changed the serpentine belt. Only 2WD though. Funny thing. My friend went out and bought a brand new Jeep Cherokee the day after I bought the Trooper since he couldn't stand me getting a new truck and him not. He has has lots of problems. engine rebuilt, new radiator, window motor, air conditioning problems. It has been interesting to watch the difference between his Cherokee and my Trooper for reliability. The other day he mentioned that the Trooper has been good to me.

    If you are looking for a Trooper, I just noticed two nice 4WD models on ebay. One with low miles.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Isuzu-Trooper-S-4WD-SUV-2001-TROOPER-4X4-3-5-1-OW- NER-CLEAN-BUY-ITNOW-NO-RESERVE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6269QQihZ008QQitemZ180- 226113488QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Isuzu-Trooper-LIMITED-4X4-2000-EVERY-OPTION-MADE-- SUPER-NICE-99-NO-RESERVE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6269QQihZ016QQitemZ260223047- 761QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

    I remember you were a regular on the Trooper forum. I think you mentioned you used to drive your Trooper up to 100mph? lol That was you, no? I have been up to 95mph, but only once when I wasn't paying attention on a long trip. I changed out the original Bridgestones for Costco Michelins which are much better for road driving.
  • tntmythtntmyth Posts: 70
    I have been shopping the CR-V vs Forester vs RAV4 as well. IMHO, the CR-V may have a slight edge on interior quality for fit and finish. But the Forester has more comfortable seats and interior quality is still very close to the CR-V. Regarding features, it's really subjective. For example I prefer the center console that the Forester has over the fold out tray on the CR-V. And I would rather have the fold down rear seats of the Forester over the tumble forward rear seat design on the CR-V. Alows for loading longer stuff. Better rear visibility on the Forester. Engine and AWD are better in the Subaru. One important feature decision for me is...If I were out in a snow storm, I'd rather be in the Forester. Both are obviously reliable vehicles. Depends what you need the vehicle for and the weather where you live. Enjoy taking the time to compare all the details and really decide which is best for you.
  • mfletou1mfletou1 Posts: 508
    For my mom, I'd probably still lean toward the Forester solely because of visiblity. There are, of course, some features in the CR-V that aren't in the Forester--two can play that game, but I'm not going to do that right now.

    But let's get real. Honda doesn't "need to be nervous." The Honda CR-V is the best selling SUV in America. It outsells some entire brands, like Mercury. Subaru is still a niche player--not taking anything away from the Forester, but its not even going to put a dent in CR-V sales. Nor should it be trying to.
  • jeffmcjeffmc Posts: 1,742
    "Also, though '09 Foresters seem very capible at Catalina Island, there are absolutely no skid pans or any protection under the car."

    First, CONGRATS, Kurt! You've really put a lot of time & energy into this research, and you've ended up with a fine ride. :shades:

    Second, it's only a matter of time before aftermarket skidplates are available for the '09. You're lucky to be near a manufacturer... check out Primitive Racing, just around the corner in Tigard, OR. These guys make tons of equipment for all Subaru models. I've been tempted to get skidplates from them for my Outback. Drop 'em an e-mail or give 'em a call, maybe you can be their first '09. A full set should run somewhere around $300, I'd guess. Here's their website:
    http://www.writerguy.com/primitive/

    Post a photo of your new XT Ltd when you get a chance.
  • bikerguy3bikerguy3 Posts: 43
    For those of you contemplating a Forester purchase (& doing comparisons with CRV's etc), my advice is GO FOR IT! I Love mine!

    I bought my 09 Forester from Wentworth in Portland on Feb 28th (one of the first off the boat, I think!). I have the 2.5X model w/ Premium package. Topaz Gold color w/ black cloth interior. I've put about 1,000 miles on it (trips to coast and Mt Hood). The fit/finish quality is great (especially for new model). I love the manual xmission, big sunroof, privacy glass, ipod i/f, audio system (w/ steering wheel controls), fuel economy (28 mpg), instrmnt lighting, reclining rear seats, front seat adjstmnt/comfort, and many safety features. Plus there's a LOT of little features you don't realize initially (12V outlets, console cubbies, cargo hooks, accent lighting, trip computer, etc). The big things like AWD w/ VDC, visibility, handling, ingress/egress, etc are all well designed (though the variable assist steering is a bit light for my taste and took some getting used to).

    I would definitely recommend the Premium package versus a stripped down base model - you get a lot for the extra $. [I wanted manual xmission so XT & LL Bean models weren't a viable option for me].

    My only complaint so far is that the HVAC blower fan seems a lot noisier than it needs to be...(ducts & outlets are too small/restrictive for fan cfm?)

    This is my first Subaru, and so far I am impressed. I'm even starting to understand why it is that Subaru owners become such zealots about their rides!
  • tkaytkay Posts: 99
    Try shutting rear gate on the CR-V, then shut the gate on the Forester.. You will feel the difference.. Also I have shut rear gate sometimes 3 to 4 time to shut tight...07 CRV..all you need to due to solve your dilemma is get them both!!!
  • h2k2f2h2k2f2 Posts: 44
    Which rear gate has which quality? It's not clear which vehicle you think is superior in which way.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,747
    wrt the two turbo models I tried, the one with base A/C seemed to move less air and make more noise than the Automatic system in the XT Limited.

    Wrt CRV .vs. Forester, yes the CRV has a nicer interior and more footroom for the driver. It also costs a little less. Rear Gate quality seemed similar on both - the Forester latches easilly though its closing sound is a little tinny. The rear opening in the Forester is larger than the CRT's.
    In terms of responsiveness and handling, the XT Limited I tried ran circles around the CRV.
    Also, if off-road capabilities are important, remember that the CRV got stuck on Catalina Island, while the Forester did not.

    As for fuel economy, it's very early to tell but for me it seems to be around 21 mpg or so for mostly city driving, and includes several full throttle passing manuevers (I had to learn how the turbo actually responds :D ). The vehicle has 120 miles on it and needs 1000 or so to break in.

    Jeffmc, thanks for parts info. As I live very close to Tigard I'll try to visit the people you mentioned when time allows.
  • h2k2f2h2k2f2 Posts: 44
    However, if something has been the case in the past, this is never a guarantee that it will continue to be the case in the future. I suspect that the Forester will do far more than "put a dent" in CR-V sales.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,747
    One other point: Subaru USA just told me that other than VDC, there is no side-side torque distribution on the '09 Forester. There's no limited slip Diff this time around ('08 Impreza doesn't have limited slip diffs either, as I remember).

    That would explain what I saw in the Subaru test ground videos, when the Forester would frequently stop, spin its free wheels and then move forward.

    Well, so long as the VDC does the job of managing traction in a seamless manner, that will be good enough. It may be possible to add Limited Slip Diffs at a later date, if they are really needed. Limited slip diffs do have drawbacks; frequent clunking sounds, some loss of power.
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