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2009 Subaru Forester

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  • rpc2rpc2 Posts: 2
    Transition to the "X Limited" is now in process. I placed an L.L. Bean on order March 29, and the dealer just informed me that I'll receive an "X Limited" instead, with arrival scheduled for the first week in June. Features and options are supposed to be the same, although obviously minus the L.L. Bean branding. I agree the appearance should look a little cleaner without the extra logo.
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    I'm developing my own hypothesis - Only idiots buy Hyundais.

    I have at least one data point to prove this hypothesis is true ;)

    -Frank

    P.S. j/k
  • kkrtrekkkrtrek Posts: 51
    Just test drove a couple of Foresters today--an L.L. Bean and an X manual. On the sticker was a "market adjustment" of $2999. Just wondering if this is standard operating procedure. Have other people seen this on the new Forester? I assume it is meaningless, but I would like to know others' experiences.

    I could ask the dealer--after all, the salesman told me they sold six Foresters in yesterday's inclement weather. :) ( a small dealership, to boot). So really, what kind of price, in general, could I expect compared with MSRP or invoice?

    I am also considering a Rav, 6-cylinder with 4WD, but am leaning slightly toward the Forester at this point--maybe because I haven't driven the Rav in quite awhile, and have never driven the 6. Any input on the choice welcomed.
  • batman47batman47 Posts: 606
    At the moment according to Edmunds and other sources the RAV4 V6 5-7 seats is the best 'compact' SUV in the market. Petrol consume is rated to 19/25. The car is 5-speed automatic and the second and third row of seats fold flat into the floor. Prices are $26,000 to $30,000. However, it is very probably that you will not have to do DIY job to get rid off of rattles.
  • batman47batman47 Posts: 606
    You remind me a friend who passed all his life in a cave.

    Perhaps this article from www.reuters.com may give you something fresh:

    For 2008, Hyundai is expected to post a 31.6 percent rise in net profit to 2.21 trillion won from a 1.68 trillion won in 2007, according to a poll of 23 brokerages by Reuters Estimates.

    Subaru gains is not even marginally close to Hyundai. Only 'idiots' buy Hyundai.
  • tkaytkay Posts: 99
    What I did was get a price from Fitzmall. Made a a printout and went to my dealer and asked him to match. The dealer sold me my vehicle (09 Bean) $400.00 more than Fitzmall quote. But was able to negotiate 3 year free scheduled maintenance.. said DEAL... Good Luck great car
  • h2k2f2h2k2f2 Posts: 44
    When you see a dealer that uses "market adjustments" on its vehicles, run, run away quickly! Find another dealer that doesn't use this shady technique to increase its profits.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    For 2008, Hyundai is expected to post a 31.6 percent rise in net profit to 2.21 trillion won from a 1.68 trillion won in 2007, according to a poll of 23 brokerages by Reuters Estimates

    How much from it's cars? And btw, these are only estimates. Have you bought your Hyundai stock based on these estimates?
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    However, it is very probably that you will not have to do DIY job to get rid off of rattles.

    That hypothesis is false as, unfortunately, I've been in new RAV4s with rattles.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,740
    "Market Adjustments = dealer padding = ripoff.
    Does dealer have balloons everywhere? Salesmen lurking by the front door or front lot waiting to pounce on buyers? Handoffs from assistant to sales to sales manager? If some or all is true, sounds like a dealer right from Edmunds' inside car dealer story pages.

    Sometimes the dealer will have an internet department that is more reasonable. But beware...the finance department can add the sleaze back (that happened to me at the Power franchises).

    Wrt rattles, I have had them in most of my cars (including Honda, Toyota, etc.). Sometimes they are fiendishly hard to find thanks to multiple sound reflections going on inside cars. I drove one upscale Lexus, certified used, which had lots of dashboard creaks. Whatever...sometimes rattles are easy to fix, sometimes not.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Subaru has had engine issues in the past, but they were with the head gaskets, not the piston rings.

    You also missed the 2nd most common issue - wheel bearings.

    The head gasket material was revised for 2002. The wheel bearing design was changed entirely to the new sealed type for 2003.

    No vehicle is perfect, and yes the Forester has had a couple of common flaws, but the piston rings was just not one of them.

    For a buyer coming out of a 100k+ mile perfectly reliable Lexus, all I have to say is to a search on "peeling paint" in the Outlander threads before you pull the trigger.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Congrats to madisonsgame, LL Bean is very nice! I just test drove one this weekend (I'll share a review later today).

    Does the iPod kit include Bluetooth? To be honest, I have no idea. I don't really see the appeal. I have a Bluetooth headset for my phone. That's all I need. Even that is a bit of a nuisance because then you need 2 chargers, one for the phone and another for the headset. It tries to solve a problem I don't have (speakerphone works fine for me).

    My wife's iPod will hopefully plug in to the Aux input, though I have not tried it yet.

    Review coming soon...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    As folks here know I test drive a X Premium model a couple of weeks ago. The LL Bean model has been popular so my dealer has not had any availble until now. In fact, this was their only one. Get 'em while they're hot.

    The whole family came along. This was as much a test-fit as it was a test-drive.

    The wife drove. I had gone alone last time, but this will be her car. I sat in the back seat with the 2 kids, so I observed it as a passenger this time.

    Body roll is mitigated very nicely. Impressive. Somehow it's not stiff, either. We went over some train tracks and you hardly felt them.

    Wifey floored the throttle a few times and it moves along well enough. No where near the rush of an XT turbo, but we want something significantly more fuel efficient than our minivan.

    One big plus on the LL Bean is the perforated leather is very nice, much better than the leather on the Honda Odyssey (hard) we test drove while minivan shopping last year. The arm rests on the doors are a microfiber/suede material that we all loved. Very plush. Noticeably nicer than the cloth on the X model, the arm rest as well.

    We sat 3 across, no problem. My 5 year old sat on the hump and said space and comfort were fine. I'm 6' tall and did not feel cramped, plus I'll be in the front anyway. Big windows and the huge moonroof prevent any feelings of claustrophobia, even with 5 people inside.

    The GPS. Oh boy. Complaint time.

    The interface was not intuitive. The screen is not as big as I expected, I think 6.1". It was probably not set up for the Region we were in, but it failed to find 2 gas stations around the corner, and it could not find my home address, either. The display also seemed dim, though to be fair I didn't try to adjust the brightness.

    We will definitely pass on the GPS. I actually preferred my Garmin, and that way we get 6 CDs instead of just 1, for $1400 less.

    The wife looked at all the colors and wants either of the 2 Silver colors or the Blue. 2nd choice would be Red or Sage Green, but she really would prefer those first 3 colors. She does want the LL Bean model, but not the NAV option.

    Though I like to sleep on big decisions like this, she was nearly ready to buy that car on the spot. If they had a non-NAV model in stock I'm pretty sure we would have driven it home. :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    See pic below.

    You can see the 4.3" Nuvi screen with the vent mount actually resides closer to the driver, so the screen appears to be nearly the size of the built-in unit.

    It's also a little brighter, though again I did not adjust the brightness. I had the same complaint about the Mazda CX9, but not the Subaru Tribeca.

    The interface was a bit less intuitive, too. You seem to have to take one step more than you should each time, hit one more button than necessary. When I hit POI (points of interest) I want to see categories. It wants me to type in a name, or you have to hit a button to get the categories.

    The way I see it, I'm always looking for something - gas, food, whatever. I don't know what restaurant is closer, so show me the whole category.

    It could not find my addy nor could it find two Exxons on Rockvile Pike that have been there for ages. The East coast DVD was inserted, I checked, but I'm not sure if the region was properly set. Probably not. The salesman didn't know how to program it, either.

    Other nit-picks? Selection. Why only one of the most popular model? The salesman told me these are the fastest selling by far.

    I like the XT wheels better than these, so I would trade if they let me. Maybe I'll ask later.

    I like the sport grille but wish I could swap without having to pay extra for the option. The standard grille does look good with the silver, though.
  • kurtamaxxxguykurtamaxxxguy Posts: 1,740
    Good to know about the built-in Nav. I passed on that since I also have a Garmin that works perfectly fine, and can be hidden away to deter thieves.

    Perhaps posters here can advise whether or not sport grille helps with radiator airflow (better? The same?). It is pricy, though.
  • tkaytkay Posts: 99
    Yep, It's a done deal.Hope the wait is not long for the Bean you want. (2nd.option) Drove by the Hyundai Dealer,guess what? no waiting...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, he still has not found the model we want, even though we gave him 5 color choices.

    I don't know if this is funny or scary but the same dealership (Fitzgerald) still has 7 unsold 2007 Outlanders, brand new.
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    That makes them want to proselytize so much? They make Subaru owners seem downright laidback in comparison. Anybody else remember Hung & Tung from the old Forester vs Santa Fe topic? I think there must be some requirement to drink a gallon of company Kool-Aid prior to leaving the dealership ;)

    -Frank
  • I wanted the NAV.system but the one I bought did not have it. That's ok! Cause the Garmin would suit me just fine. The only thing I need now is the subwoofer. I want more bass. I definitely love the leather seats and all the goodies that came it my 09 Bean.
    I am definitely glad I bought my 09 Bean when I did, because Subaru is no longer going to make them. :cry:
  • batman47batman47 Posts: 606
    The paint chipping in the 2008 Outlander has been solved by Outlander owners using a simply mudflat (front and rear). See,

    imageSee more Car Pictures at CarSpace.com
  • tkaytkay Posts: 99
    I had the same problem, but I used KMGuy magic foam,available on E-bay(reasonably priced)
  • birdboybirdboy Posts: 158
    Car buying never seems to be game free. Can someone offer me a site besides Edmunds, and KBB to check on the trade in value of my 06 Passat. There is a 3 thousand dollar difference between the two and the dealer wants to use the lower . Also has anyone paid Invoice or less for the 09 Forester llBean edition. Thank you all for your help,
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Hey what a great post! Too bad it's not in the Outlander topic where it belongs :confuse:
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Car buying never seems to be game free

    Nope and probably never will be.

    Can someone offer me a site besides Edmunds, and KBB to check on the trade in value of my 06 Passat.

    There's an online NADA appraisal site that you can use

    Also has anyone paid Invoice or less for the 09 Forester llBean edition

    FitzMall is selling them for $200 over invoice.

    Keep in mind that how high (trade-in value) or how low (new car price) a given dealer will go depends on many variables. The most important one being the law of supply and demand. I.e. if the dealer thinks someone else is willing to pay a higher price, they have no incentive to sell it to you for less.

    -Frank
  • tkaytkay Posts: 99
    On the Fitzmall site they have a trade in link. This might help in pricing your vehicle. You may also want to try Craigslist..sold my car in 2 hours,and $1500.00 more than the trade in.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    He was responding to me, Frank.

    Basically he's had a perfect experience with his previous car, and expects the same thing from his next car. I gave an example of how no vehicle is perfect (unrealistic expectations).

    Those mud flaps look sweet, that vehicle is Rally Cross ready! :shades:

    Not sure I'd want that on road going car, though. They stick out way too much and the color doesn't match. It might also create more wind resistance (noise, lower fuel economy).

    Forester has factory mud flaps that are more custom fitted.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,697
    I still don't like the fact that your Nuvi is blocking the air vents. No mater where you mount it, it's going to block something.

    While the screen on your Nuvi is large for a portable unit, it's still not as large as that found on a built-in unit.

    Selection? I'm not sure I understand that comment? Are you referring that it's only available on premium trim models? If yes—I agree. I'm hoping some carmaker will make this feature even available on base trim models.

    As to the sport grille on the Forester. I did see one in person, and it does look good. IMO it's the "only" Subaru sport grille that looks good.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Bob - by selection, I meant the current models in stock right now. They did not have a single LL Bean sans GPS.

    They said the LL Bean was in demand, big time. They've sold every one they've had so far. It's the most popular model.

    Makes you wonder why Subaru is discontinuing their relationship with LL Bean, come to think of it.

    The Nuvi does sit in front of the vent but we had the A/C on and it didn't seem to be a problem.

    Check out the screen brightness and glare - the Nuvi is actually better (though to be fair I did not adjust it).
  • red927red927 Posts: 118
    I also drove a LL Bean this weekend. I was pleased with the way it handled. There was plenty of legroom for the driver. I sit with the seat all the way back and when I sat in the rear, my knees did not hit the front seat ( I am 5'-11'). The view to the rear was clear with no real blindspots as opposed to the CR-V. Power was fine, though I will have to get used to driving a 4 cylinder again after 6 years with GM 6 cylinder engines. My wife drives an Outback LL Bean sedan and it has plenty of power.

    The lease on my present SUV (Buick) is up in June and the dealer is going to locate one in Dark Grey for me. He is going to try to swap a black one he has on order. It should arrive the second week of June. It will be a Limited since that is all that is being shipped right now. No NAV, as I also have a Garmin.

    Not exactly sure of the price, but I have been dealing with the same small dealer since 1992 and they have always been very fair. He is supposed to call me today or tomorrow with the final numbers. He stated that they came out with a very high residual on the car and the interest rate is not too bad. We shall see.

    Phil
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