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2009 Acura RL

rv65rv65 Posts: 1,074
edited April 27 in Acura
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb132/Kamar_A/Cars/Cars%202/03.jpg

A rear end shot of what could be the 09 RL. Not much has been said of it. There are plans to release this thing early next year. Possible features include a Hard Drive, and maybe some more new toys. New engine will probably be added. Probably not a v8 or v10 though. I hear only 2 body panels are being changed. Maybe more interior room. Who knows! Any more info will be added as the time goes on.
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  • I was at an Acura dealer two days ago to look at the RL and the salesman said that the 2009 RL would be released is spring of 2008 and the the new engine is to be the diesel. Do you have any confirmation on this?
  • rv65rv65 Posts: 1,074
    Don't know about diesel. Probably not until 2010 model year. Maybe earlier but Honda said 2009 is when the diesel is out. Yes it's coming out in the spring. The build out for the current model is in feb. So that means maybe march or april.
  • rv65rv65 Posts: 1,074
    Rumor has it that it will debut at the 2008 Chicago autoshow which bodes well for the early delivery. The 2008 RL's buildout is in Feb. Buildout is simply the last allocations of the current model.
  • rv65rv65 Posts: 1,074
    This MMC which is the facelift is going to be the most extensive facelift. No details but a 3.7L v6 is a possibility. It's also going to be the most expensive.
  • rv65rv65 Posts: 1,074
    http://vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=732167

    Some color choices below

    Crystal Black pearl, Silver jade metallic, Grigio metallic, Tuscan beige, Alberta white, Platinum Frost, Opulent blue and Redondo red

    Some colors are new. Features are going to be enhanced. Maybe no more PAX tires. Navigation and bluetooth are going to be enhanced. Looks like a ton of features are going to be changed.
  • rv65rv65 Posts: 1,074
    The 09 RL will debut in Chicago.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    It's rumored that the 2009 RL will be unveiled at the Chicago Auto show, perhaps today. Will it address the current model's shortcomings regarding styling, power, and interior room, or will it be another failed attenpt to to be cross shopped with Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, and Infiniti?
  • ballaballa Posts: 5
    That grill is horrible looking. I wonder how many people it had to go through to meet approval. I had such high hopes for this MMC. Besides the grill, they did a really good job with it.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,690
    ""RL represents the very best we have to offer in terms of engineering, technology, performance, luxury and safety", said Dick Colliver, executive vice president, sales"

    God, that's a shame...

    The next few years will be hard ones for Acura in that case. Try as it might, it just can't seem to out-Audi Audi. With all the engineering prowess available at Honda, seems like it ought to be able to do that...

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • rayainswrayainsw Posts: 2,526
    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=124676

    "What this means to you: It still can't run with the big dogs, but..."

    Will it matter?
    I doubt any of these changes will matter much...
    ( sadly )
  • Hi, Pat:

    Nice to share the pages with you again. JJACURA and I are scoping out the update. I'll be back.

    Regards,

    George
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hi George - great to see you both posting again!! :)

    Hope you are well.
  • Ohhh, boy, did they blow this one--looks even more like an Accord in person than it does in pictures. The grill is horrible, a tacked-on afterthought. If the RL came out before the Accord I'd probably like it fine (except the grill), but coming out after and being so, so similar makes no sense at all to me--people who buy a premium luxury sedan want it to look like one, not a family sedan you're going to see every ten feet.
    It really seems like Acura doesn't know what to do with this model, even the current version (which I like enormously better lookswise than the '09)--it's too expensive (by far) for the entry level luxury category, it doesn't have the size or cachet for the premium luxury segment, and it still won't after this redesign. For a company as astute as Honda has proven to be over the years, they just haven't been paying attention here.
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  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    Saw the '09 RL at the Chicago auto show. Some definite improvements, but it's still just lipstick on a pig, as they say. The '09 is meant to be a holding action and a bridge to the '10, which will be completely redesigned. I don't expect sales to increase much based on this make up job, but they had to do something. The car, in whatever form, has not been a sales success, and a few touches here and there aren't going to change things. Even the salesmen at the show said the RL was not worth $15,000 or so over the TL.
  • but it's still just lipstick on a pig, as they say

    I admit the RL is not everyone's cup of tea, but that's a bit harsh and undeserved! :mad:
  • I agree: 'lipstick on a pig' is disrespectful. However, bartalk3's mail appears to be on target. I find it incomprehensible that Acura took nine years to produce the '05 RL, a sweet car, but undistinguished and of 'vanilla' design, as borne out by the sales numbers. Now, along comes this touch-up with the unpleasant grille,and frankly, from the pictures, is not as aesthetic as my '05 RL. Is there someone seditious in the Acura design studio, preventing the company from competing with the big dogs? Where is the 'flagship' that is truly top of the line in every respect? Forget the carping by the mag writers about a V-8 - I'm speaking of a model that will address most of the criticisms that have plagued the RLs, from the '05 to the present.
    I enjoy driving my '05, but it's not the car that I wanted to see when I visited the Acura showrioom in December 2004 - and subsequently ordered because I am an avowed 'Acuraphile.' Now, I find it hard to believe that Acura, having produced this touch-up, will really present us with a fully remodeled '10 - maybe '13 - maybe. I'll wait.

    - George
  • I think the comment is a poor analogy because "lipstick on a pig" seems to indicate that they made minor cosmetic improvements to a hideous vehicle. I find the 05 RL to be an OK design, not ugly, but not Wow, either. The new refresh has received mostly negative responses (grill in particular) from a styling standpoint, but positives for content improvements. I would expect the timing of the complete redesign to largely determined by the response to this mid model change. Based upon earlier response we may see it sooner rather than later.

    Just as a final observation, many cars styling changes look worse in pictures than in person. I think we may want to withhold final judgement until we can see it for ourselves. I agree that the front shocked me when I first saw pics, but I've looked at them numerous times since and the shock has worn off a bit. My harsh assessment has softened a bit. I don't think this redesign will pull up sales numbers, but I doubt that it will drive every potential buyer away as some have implied. Big discounts will continue with the RL imo.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,690
    is not ugly but it is porky like a pig! It is very very hard to understand why anyone would spend $10K over a TL to buy this model. The restyling has only made it worse - that huge grille that looks like it is straight off the MDX looks terrible on the front of the RL.

    It is amazing that a company like Honda that has been so successful in most of its other ventures could fail so utterly to design a $40-50K luxury car that anyone would want.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,201
    While I don't care for the grille of the '09, I think the '09 is improved, overall, over the '08. I agree that the car is heavier than desirable. some of that is due to the AWD, of course. I'd like to see the RL and TL converted to RWD architecture, for better weight distribution, but I'm not holding my breath.
  • bartalk3bartalk3 Posts: 692
    "Lipstick on a pig" is just a figure of speech meaning trying to make something plain more attractive. Didn't mean to offend anybody's RL. I don't find the car that unattractive and almost bought one myself, but bought the TL instead. Even Acura admits that this car just didn't have the sales they anticipated. To begin with, the car was overpriced and the competition was furious: the prestige of the Lexus (in the GS), the engineering reputation of BMW (3 and 5 Series), the sudden acclaim of the Infiniti M35/45. And now even the Cadillac CTS. Some said the problem was lack of a V-8, but that won't be a problem going forward because with $3-4 gas, many companies are abandoning V-8s. I think Acura thought that SH-AWD would be a sensation, but Consumer Reports said the car didn't handle any better than traditional rear-drive cars. And they didn't really like the car that much and rated the TL much higher. As we all know now, the '09 revision is just a holding action until the car is redesigned for 2010. I guess what Honda/Acura had to do for the redesign was take out a clean sheet of paper and start over.
  • tizertizer Posts: 23
    They did a good job on making the interior more luxurious but the ugly "reversed" front door handles should also be changed. Rear styling looks really sharp, not sure about the front end MDX look. A bigger engine is ok but fuel economy is now a poor 22/16. Basically not enough changes to make me run back with my 06 'Bargain Priced" RL. Some have said that the 2010 will be a complete redesign...Acura you need more gears in your transmission...6 or 7 speed in the class you want to be in is not uncommon. This will make the car smoother, quieter and more fuel efficient.
  • djdjdjdj Posts: 111
    I saw the new RL in person before I saw the pictures. At the show, I thought the car was pretty good looking. Interestingly, I don't care for it in pictures. I think most pictures are taken at a low stance, almost grille level, so that become a dominate feature. Standing up and looking down at the car the grille wasn't so obvious. The backend treatment looked better in person too.

    However I was left with the feeling "I wonder how much the 2008 will be discounted when the 2009's get released?" I was hoping Acura would sell the remaining inventory at a deep discount to clear the lots so customers wouldn't compare.

    That possibility, a sale on the 2008's, is my big interest in the 2009's.
  • rv65rv65 Posts: 1,074
    Dealers have already have ordered their final 08 RL's but there should be plenty. Build out is the last batch of the current model year.
  • ex007ex007 Posts: 13
    Agree 100% That grill - which apparently will go to also the TSX and, heaven forbid, the TL - is terrible. What is wrong with the design shop? The entire Acura line front ends are horrible, simply horrible now. I've been a Honda/Acura owner since '76 - 7 cars in total - but will not purchase another until they learn to design a proper front grill.
  • carolinabobcarolinabob Posts: 490
    Go on the Acura web site and you can order a mini-brocure of the 2009 RL. Appears they added the ugly grill, 10 horsepower and ventilated seats primarily.
  • rainbow11rainbow11 Posts: 10
    Was at the Accura dealer in Bedford Hills, NY yesterday. There are deals on the 2008 RL. Does anyone know the amount of $$$ give backs and other incentives now being offered to dealers by Accura on the "pig without lipstick?"
  • loverlbutloverlbut Posts: 6
    I'd like to share my RL experience with rainbow11, carolinabob, ex007, rv65, djdj and many others......(p.s. I am from S. California)
    I am a die-hard RL fan since Y2006. To show our loyalty to Acura, both me and my wife each got new '06 RL in silver, with all the same options/stuff - "his and hers" as joked by dealer every time we go in for an oil-change.....been tracking/researching RL since then.
    Here are my comments:
    1) When RL was first out in '05....."Tech car of the year" - proven Acura's tech. was at leat 3-yrs ahead of competition (e.g. Real-time traffic in '05).
    2) No face-lift since then.
    3) Best car-buying experience from Internet....goto Carsdirect.com and I got the best deal in town, bought two new RL's in a month; the discount was so huge I thought there might be some "discount on warranty" - No, same factory warranty all the way, and really trouble-free shopping with no nego. needed whatsoever....entire car-buying time was less than 30-min.
    4) '09 "Inventory control" someone mentioned in the discussion.....if you goto Carsdirect.com now and you'd see huge (close to $10K) discount off MSRP on '08 - I figure that's what it means "Inventory control" - they are NOT SELLING, and Acura would think twice about how many RL to produce in '09.
    5) If Edmunds Inside-line's recent saying is true that after listening carefully to the market, Acura's to bring its Y2011 new RL with long awaited 420hp-v8, real-wheel-drive w/SH-AWD, etc. to compete in this segment.
    Could Inside-line talk to Mr. Jon Ikeda of new Acura R&D center in Torrance California that:
    a) Honda should be more aggressive than Toyota from my perspective....being an ex-Marketing-exec in one of the giant Japanese "Kai-Sha" in the past 20-yrs.
    b) RL is Acura's flag-ship, and I am a die-hard Acura's fan as evidenced above,....like to see RL's continuous winning.
    c) New Y2011 RL needs.....STYLING, STYLING, STYLING, in addition to all other stuffs to compete in that segment.
    d) U.S. market needs - Styling, Power, and especially with Acura's Tech and Performance when considering $5-$6/gallon in the near future (if you do market research carefully all over the web, that's what market is saying now-a-days). If Mr. Jon Ikeda and Acura can pull all those together, then I think Y2011 RL might be the "Car of the year" winner again with its traditional "pricing-competitiveness" market position (of couse, let us not to confuse Acura's next NSX marketing strategy with its new RL).
    e) But I can not wait, and I think Acura can not wait.....just look at it now - RL is simply not selling. Can Acura bring its NEW RL SOONER to the market....?
    f) Look at Acura's "Advanced-Sport-Sedan" concept, it reminds me somewhat of "Aston-007". .....could Mr. Jon Ikeda talk to Ian - the infamous Chief-designer of previous Aston-Martin's DBS and now behind Jag's new XK-coupe and XF-sedan, or something......?
    Well, I figure Ian might not be "too happy" after Ford's selling Jag/Range-Rover to Indian Tata-auto.

    Dear Mr. Ikeda and Mr. Acura.......STYLING, STYLING, and with all of your Tech and "stuffs", bring your NEW RL to the market sooner, then you'd be striving again, and I'd be your loyal RL fan again, hopefully in Y2009/end....save RL's sales.
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