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2009 Acura TSX

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  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    It cracks me up - people have been saying this since 2003. Acura already makes a V6 TSX - it's called the TL.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Actually the grill wouldn't be the thing I would worry about. If the snow is high enough to take out the grill, chances are you ain't going to get too far with the TSX! :P And even if you do, some of the underbody parts may take a beating more than the grill.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Now that Acura supersized the TL, there may just be room in their lineup for a V6 TSX.
  • I didn't realize that adding a V6 to the TSX would make it mysteriously grow 9 inches in length. Now that the TL has increased in size and price, a V6 TSX could fill the spot vacated when the TL grew larger.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    The previous generation TL left a gap that doesn't need to be filled.

    No growth in length, but the added weight over the front axle would absolutely change it's dynamics for the worse.

    The nimble handling, good steering feedback, and quick revving I-4 are what characterize the TSX's personality. Without these traits, it would lose it's playful nature and become an also-ran like the previous generation TL.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    If they add a V6 option to the TSX, it still means people who want the "nimble handling" can still buy an I-4 TSX. And I think there is a gap to be filled. There are a lot of buyers who want a torquey, V6, semi-sporty sedan that has urban-friendly external dimensions. I can grow to accept the new TL's styling, but I have trouble getting over its size. Why would I want to lug around a supposedly sport sedan which is bigger than a lot of SUVs and wagons, but without the corresponding interior and cargo room? It just doesn't make sense. The car feels big from the inside, and it looks big from the outside. I've always thought the ES350 looks bulky, but the new TL dwarfs it! I just don't see the purpose of the additional bulk and weight, especially when we're in a time when everyone is trying to cut excesses.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    A 240hp V6 would give the TSX a nice bump in power, but it wouldn't exactly be a torque monster. And with only $5,000 separating the two cars, there isn't a lot of room to squeeze in a tweener car.

    How many people would pay $32,000 for a 240hp TSX when for $35,000 they can get a TL?
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "How many people would pay $32,000 for a 240hp TSX when for $35,000 they can get a TL?"

    I would, as I'm sure others will. $3K is $3K. Why pay more for something you don't want? Hell, some may even opt for the smaller and tidier TSX even if they were the same price!

    Prices can overlap. It happens with almost all manufacturers. For example, the new Venza is squeezing in very tightly between the RAV4 and the Highlander, with prices overlapping both. Another example. The BMW 1 series' prices overlap the 3 series', and you can argue both cars target more or less the same market.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,262
    . . .nimble handling, good steering feedback, and quick revving I-4. . .

    This is most certainly true (Lutheran thing).

    I've been driving my TSX for most of a year now, and it's much fun. All it lacks is RWD, but the transmission linkage almost makes up for it -- it's smooth & clicks into the desired gear (literally clicks -- I like that) very nicely.

    Good car & an excellent placeholder until BMW, Audi or MB (in that order) imports a 1.9 - 2.5 litre diesel with a manual transmission. I'm thinking this "placeholder" will need to last me many years, given what I've seen over the past decade in the diesel and manual transmission arenas for any cars, let alone German sport sedans.

    We'll see.
  • I am planning on buying the 09 tsx in July or late June, but I saw on another site that the Acura 09 tsx production will be cut. I am concerned about getting the car that I want. Should I aim for a June purchase instead.? I was hoping for a good deal on a tech 09 since the 2010's would be arriving in Aug./Sept.
  • I'd rather pay $32k for a V6 TSX. The only reason I'd move to the TL would be to purchase the SH-AWD version - I consider the FWD version completely uninteresting.

    Although you may not be a fan of the 3G TL, it would outsold nearly every car in its class at its peak. The Jan. 09 sales numbers show that the TSX outsold the TL, which was unheard of a couple years ago, so many consumers obviously appreciate the smaller size and better styling of the TSX.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    I would opt for the V6 TSX too, though I saw a new TL at work, and it was the AWD model. I asked the man how he liked it, and he stated it gripped the road so firmly through the snow. He loved it! I said, I bet! I would get the TL, but with the TSX being so much bang for the buck, and no need for me to have a bigger car and V6. Though, the V6 in the TSX would be amazing fun! But, if you get the TL, I am sure its worth the cost, even over a few of its competition.

    I will admit the TL looks better in person than it does on a picture.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I guess I just can't stand all the upsizing that manufacturers are doing. The Civic is so big now that Honda had to give us the Fit.

    The original TSX was so good, I hated to see it go.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    " I just can't stand all the upsizing that manufacturers are doing"

    Then you can't possibly advocate the new TL over the TSX, at least not the FWD version. I think that's why there should be significant interest in a V6 TSX --- there are a lot of people who didn't want the TL to be upsized so drastically.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I'm not advocating the TL over the TSX.

    I'm saying the 1st gen TSX was about as good as it gets in a FWD sport/lux sedan. The current model is already a step down, and adding a heavy V6 over the front axle will only make it worse, IMHO.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    What about a smaller V6 in the TSX? That would give it some much-needed torque and still keep the weight down. After all, the 3-series (and even the 1 series) models all have 6 cyl motors and are not lacking in nimbleness.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    What do you propose, maybe a brand new 2.5L V6? Lexus has a nice one in the IS - it makes 185 lb ft peak torque compared to the TSX's 170. In a 3500 lb car, you'll never feel the difference.

    Other manufacturers have used 2.5L 6 cylinder engines in the past and moved up to 3.0L and 3.5L engines because the "small" 6's just don't make enough power by today's (North American) standards. BMW's 2.5L I-6 (sold in Canada in the 323i) makes 180 lb ft and 200 hp. Again, not worth the effort.

    You have to go back a few years to find more 2.5L V6 engines. Ford's hot-rod Contour SVT had a sweet 2.5L V6 engine. It was an even match for the TSX - 170 lb ft and 200 hp.

    Acura could put a small 6 in the TSX, but it wouldn't improve performance at all (it's already more than quick enough for what it is). A V6 would simply remove the "stigma" of being a 4-cylinder - which is basically the only problem the TSX has ever had.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Actually I did have in mind a 3.0 V6, like the one in the 1998 - 2002 Accord. I found that engine extremely smooth and flexible. And I would have to disagree with you on the improved performance. I think a small V6 will have a noticeable difference in performance. Yeah, you may not see a huge jump in the rated hp and torque numbers, but a V6 can be tuned for higher low end torque. I found the old TSX so weak down low (with an automatic) it was just no fun. Yes, it's better with the manual since you can wring it out, but that gets tiring fast, and I'm not interested in driving that way on a daily basis. You brought up the issue of the stigma of a 4 cyl. I wasn't thinking about that but you know that has been a criticism of Acura. I can't think of another luxury brand that has a 4 cylinder-only model.
  • Today's rumor on the Acura websites is that the new engine will be the current TL's 3.5L V6 with 280 hp. This engine weighs no more than the previous 3.2L engine and little more than the older Accord's 3.0L V6, so I doubt that there would be a significant advantage in manufacturing a smaller V6. Also, the 3.5L V6 will probably be the most cost effective option as the engine is already manufactured in volume for the Accord and TL.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    A 3.0L V6 is not a "small" V6. The difference in weight between the 3.0L V6 and 2.4L I-4 was enough to make the Accord steer like a pig compared to the TSX in 2004.

    I do agree with you about the automatic transmission TSX though. My uncle had one and it's a complete drag to drive - might as well buy a Camry.
  • The rumor was correct and the new option for the TSX is indeed the 3.5L 280 hp engine from the TL. I was hoping for SH-AWD, but this new model might still be worth consideration.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    Well, I don't think giving the TSX all the options as the new TL would be smart. That would cause some issues in sales. Which apparently they are already facing.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    No problem, just bump the TL MSRP up $3,000. ;)
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    A twist of irony is that they just announced a $3,000 rebate for the TL here in Canada! I guess they are having issues with sales, as bvdj84 said. ;)
  • The new base TL aside from looks and a few tech goodies is so close to the Accord EX-L V6 that it is really hard to justify the additional 5-6K in MSRP. So raising the price 3K will just have more potential buyers opting for the Accord. We are leasing the TSX over the Accord because my wife who is the primary driver of the car just wants something a little less boring and it actually works out to be less expensive because of the higher residual and slightly lower MF.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I think the Accord EX-L V6 actually looks better than the base TL. The SH-AWD version, with the larger wheels and quad pipes, scores a few points for the TL. Of course, the TL interior looks better than the Accord's.
  • The TL SH-AWD would be a no-brainer for me if it looked like the TSX. I might even consider it if Acura tones down the grill to look more like that of the TSX.
  • liz15liz15 Posts: 24
    I am considering the 2009 TSX and have a question. Wondering about the cost of scheduled maintenance? I will be leasing for 39 months.
  • nj2pa2ncnj2pa2nc Posts: 813
    I follow the oil life (maintenance minder) on my 06 tsx. When the oil life gets to 15% it will show service due soon and give a code (it explains them in the owner's manual. When the oil life gets to 5% it will show service due now. My tsx, bought new, 11/06, has 71,000 miles. I get all the service done by the dealer. The service included oil/filter changes, tire rotations/balances and cabin and pollen filter changes. It is not that overly expensive.
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