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2009 Acura TSX

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  • I test drove the tech model last night. Very nice. I went around and around with the dealer. 36 month lease, 12,000 mile and 2k down came back for $459/month. Got it down to $417. I counter offered $379 w/additional $500 dn and they prepay xm for 3 years (gotta try). They rejected and were willing to take the $500 more dn and reduce the pmt to $401. Seems crazy to me but with the base only going for $329/month that there shouldn't be that much of an increase in monthly pmt over $3k for the tech model.

    I was given 65% residual and a 2.6 money factor. I was also told the base residual is at 68%.
  • hipreckhipreck Posts: 64
    A tip when negotiating leases. Never negotiate payment. Negotiate the sale price of the car only.

    The money factor and residual are fixed. If you negotiate payment they can take you to the cleaners in a hurry.

    Calculating lease payments is then very simple. Remember that "down payment" is not really a down payment if you are paying for any taxes or acquisition fees. A true down payment on a lease is a cap cost reduction which directly impacts the monthly payment since it reduces the purchase price.

    Once you do all of this, the negotiations are very quick. You can even take a laptop in with the lease calculator in Excel to do the math quickly.
  • trustworthytrustworthy Posts: 10
    This is one of the reasons I prefer to buy. It is a simpler transaction and I am less tempted to buy a more expensive car than I can really afford.
  • I thought they had a range for the residual and that's what they played with to get you in the car.

    How do you go about negotiating the price with a lease instead of the monthly payment. Do you reverse engineer the monthly payment (using the lease calculator) to find the price, then offer that amount? How do I know if there are any dealer incentives?

    The dealer also told me that the markup was only $900. I looked up the invoice and it was about $2,500 and I'm sure the dealer has manufacturer incentives as well.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,187
    Edmunds full test of the new TSX is very unflattering. In view of this, I'll be following the sales figures of this car with much interest. They'll say a lot about whether buyers of this car put more value on styling, options, and Acura's reliability than the driving experience, which isn't great, according to Edmunds.

    I hope the '09 TL fares better than the TSX.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Holy Smokes! You weren't kidding! I saw your post and went to read the review:

    "To its credit, the redesigned 2009 Acura TSX doesn't try to hide its aversion to fast driving."

    Steering: "Worse, the new setup has an unsettling lack of predictability. It doesn't deliver a sense of secure stability when the TSX is pointed straight ahead on the freeway and it also takes too long for the power assist to drop away as your speed increases."

    Acceleration: "The 2009 Acura TSX is also an easy mark for almost any family sedan with a V6, especially when equipped with the five-speed automatic. We tested a TSX with the five-speed and its 0-to-60-mph time fell to 8.6 seconds (8.3 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip). That's slower than all four of the family sedans in our last comparison test which included the Chevrolet Malibu, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima and Toyota Camry."

    Handling: "There's considerable body roll and the P225/50R17 Michelin Pilot HX MXM4 all-season tires run out of grip quickly. And the lack of steering feedback makes you feel like you're driving the 2009 TSX half-blind"

    "This has real consequences in the slalom, where the Acura averages only 64.1 mph, one of the slowest speeds we've recorded among current-day, premium-brand cars. It's 1.5 mph slower than a 3,600-pound Honda Accord EX-L V6. Even a Mitsubishi Lancer with a weakling 2.0-liter engine and a power-sapping continuously variable transmission beats the TSX through the cones with a 65.4-mph speed"

    Braking: "But this particular set of brakes for the 2009 Acura TSX isn't fully up to the task of stopping a 3,400-pound car"

    "The TSX won't stop any shorter from 60 mph than 127 feet, which is 14 feet farther than an all-wheel-drive Lexus IS 250 that weighs 100 pounds more (and costs the same). The TSX's brakes fade dramatically after just one stop, and there's smoke coming off the rotors by the third run. The car isn't happy. We're not happy"

    Wow. This might be a first for Honda, they have managed to design and build the antithesis of a driver's car. Worse yet, they have designated it an Acura, their "premium brand".

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    Hosts - the car has been out for a month, it doesn't need to be in the future section.
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    The residual depends on the mileage allowance (the higher the allowance the lower the residual) - but is fixed otherwise. Once the price is negotiated the lease payment is derived by simply plugging in the MF, residual and taxes into a lease calculator - all of which are fixed. As was mentioned, don't shop for a payment amount - shop for the lowest price on the car - you'll then get the lowest lease payment, whatever it might be.

    All maker's incentives are listed right here at Edmunds - there are no rebates on the 09.
  • hipreckhipreck Posts: 64
    Couldn't have said it better myself!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    May sales: "· Best-ever Acura TSX sales. Acura sold 4,564 units of the redesigned TSX, breaking the April 2006 record of 3,911 sold. TSX sales soared 53.7 percent ahead of last May's."

    http://www.autoobserver.com/2008/06/big-three-big-vehicles-taken-to-the-watershe- d-in-may.html#more

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,187
    Those May TSX sales comparisons are very impressive. One month doesn't make a trend, though, so lets see what happens during the rest of the year, and to Acura Division sales overall. The launch of the '09 TL will have a significant effect on the Division's '08 sales, of course.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Aside from better mpg, I still see no real compelling reason to buy the '09 TSX over an '08 TL, nor over an '08 TSX (if there are any left) for that matter.
  • stones3131stones3131 Posts: 21
    I am no car expert at all, but I must say, I disagree with how this car is getting "bashed."

    First off, for someone who wants to make an entry into the "luxury" line of cars (lexus, acrua, infiniti, audi etc.) this car makes the choice easier for me.

    It's priced under $30k (w/out Nav), comes pretty loaded up with leather, sunroof and others. And I actually like the new style. I can't get a new Lexus IS, Infiniti G35, or Acura TL for less than $34k.

    Even though it's only a 4 cylinder, who cares? Doesn't that mean less gas consumption to some extent? The other cars I am considering is the 08 Accord and the 08 Maxima.

    Naturally the 08 Accord is "almost" the same interior and engine as the 09 TSX, but I think I might actually pay the extra money b/c I think the TSX looks better than the 08 Accord.

    I personally don't need speed at all, afterall, how fast can you actually go with other cars on the road?

    Anyway, I just wanted to throw my two cents out there. This coming from a novice when it comes to handling, steering and all that other stuff. I test drove the car for a half hour and thought the ride was quite nice.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    Oh, I agree that the ride is quite nice. What I would be curious to hear is your feedback to test drives of other cars in the TSX's class, some of which are cheaper. I am thinking here of Jetta GLI (now "Wolfsburg"), Volvo S40 turbo, Saab 9-3, ummm, what else? Audi A3 and A4, heck, the new Lincoln MKS too, although I am not sure that is a straight-across match in terms of size.

    I think you will find they are all nice rides, some can be had cheaper, and the German and Swedish turbos provide a rush that will make you forget that TSX in a heartbeat! ;-)

    Oh, and as for "Even though it's only a 4 cylinder, who cares? Doesn't that mean less gas consumption to some extent?"
    ..I can only say, yes, to some extent. However, Acura's own TL with 1/3 more power from a V-6 does only one or two points worse for fuel economy, and all the turbos I mentioned do the same as the TSX, but with more power and waaay more torque.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "I can't get a new Lexus IS, Infiniti G35, or Acura TL for less than $34k."

    I haven't checked out the US prices, but in Canada a few configurations of this IS250 are priced at or below the TSX. The IS250 is similar in power and speed, but offers the smoothness of a V6. And IMO, the Lexus looks better, and is more upscale.
  • rotaryrotary Posts: 71
    Wow. This is a shocker, because I think this is one of the last honest places to find objective and brutally honest reviews of cars, good and bad, and brutal to the TSX they were:

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2009-acura-tsx-review/
  • biker4biker4 Posts: 746
    That's pretty brutal - but I think many of the short comings will be overlooked by the target demographic. :shades:
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    I think you're right. And now, next up is the TL. I wonder how many creative ways they will manage to screw up THAT ONE this fall with the next generation of that model....and whether it will matter to the Acuraphiles. Clearly, they remain devoted fans of the brand despite the slash and burn the TSX has suffered.

    What sorta ticks me off is that they messed up all the best parts of the DRIVE in the TSX - handling, steering, making it porkier - and that's something that Acura never would have done ten years ago.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "...and whether it will matter to the Acuraphiles. Clearly, they remain devoted fans of the brand despite the slash and burn the TSX has suffered."

    Well, I can tell you it matters to this Acuraphile (me). I've driven almost exclusively Honda and Acura models all my life, and there is nothing in the Acura/Honda lineup that excites me right now. I thought they got it right with the current TL in terms of size and style, and the only thing missing was the SH-AWD. But it appears they have messed up the styling with the '09 and have made it porkier. It's going the way of the Maxima, which was also a model gone bad.

    Honda/Acura is not far behind Toyota/lexus on the snooze scale, IMO.
  • rotaryrotary Posts: 71
    I'm a Mazda fan, only because Acura has lost its way. Out of all the Japanese automakers, Mazda has stayed truest to its roots.

    I used to love the TSX and TL (I loved the Legend, too). I used to love Acura more than any other brand. BMW type handling and dynamics (feedback) even if fwd offerings, at better quality levels - amazing steering, great damping.

    It's bad enough Acura is straying from its driving dynamics roots, but what they've done to the new TSX is a sin.

    I think that TSX review is brutal, but honest. Something needs to change at Honda/Acura.

    Honda has even managed to ruin the Civic (if you watch Top Gear, you will know what I mean - the last gen Civic is superior to the new one).

    Nothing is sacred.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    I am seriously thinking of getting the TSX when my current lease is up, though not for a few years. I really love the futuristic look of the TSX. It might be a great car to add a hybrid option to it. It would certainly fit right in with its theme. I think that all cars these days have their own design flaws, but you look at them as a whole.

    but,for instance I do not care for the huge wing like logo on the front grill of the TSX, perhaps if they shrunk this down in size and lowered in down further in the grill, it would look more balanced. I just think that company's are stepping outside the box, which is good, and not trying to be the normal, ordinary car. After all we all want a unique car that does not look like the one next to you. but, with that said, we all have our own image of a good car and what makes a bad looking car.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    I don't think the new TSX is a bad-looking car per se, just a bit of a yawner. Kinda of ho-hum. It does however look better in the flesh. But I think the old one looked edgier, more sporty. Now, if Acura puts a turbo diesel, or a hybrid as you mentioned in the TSX..... :shades:
  • rihoopsrihoops Posts: 91
    I have an 05 TSX that is fantastic. The new TSX looks better in my opinion. I'll drive it and I'll figure out the rest. The TSX diesel will be very nice.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    I really want to test drive one right now, but the problem is, I would most likely be wishing I had one, so I won't quite yet. Not until later on, in my current lease. I love the interior of this car based on the pics, I want to sit in one. I have an Acura dealer about 1 hour away.
  • stones3131stones3131 Posts: 21
    My car is a week old and I gotta reiterate how much I love it. Granted the radio section is probably 100% the same as the Accord, but in my opinion, this new TSX looks WAAAYYY better than the Accord.

    When comparing which two cars to get (TSX or Accord), I never was truly sold on the design of the Accord. And I know how the "experts" trashed" the new TSX, but as an "amatuer" I love the car. I think it looks amazing, drives great, and has a ton of standard features.

    In fact, when I was in the decision process, I went to the Acura dealer first and saw the new TSX in person for the first time I was hooked right then. The pictures do this car no justice at all in my opinion.
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289
    What are people getting for gas mileage?
  • bobgwtwbobgwtw Posts: 187
    I've had a opportunity to drive the 09 for aa week - 1300 miles - while my car is in the body shop. Overall I'd rate it pretty good. comfortable seats, decent ride & handling low 30's mpg at 65-70 on the road. Biggest problems is the center stack display screen; so much glare in any kind of light that it is unuseable;p and when you can see it, the display is so faint it's very difficult to read. Only other complaint is a few controls inconveniently located.

    Waiting for the diesel, and if they fix the glare problem I'd buy it.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,187
    "...and whether it will matter to the Acuraphiles."

    As a TL owner, it'll certainly matter to me. If the reviews of the next ('09-??) generation TL are comparable to those of the '09 TSX, there's a high probability I'd switch brands.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,187
    Sorry, nippononly, for my unintentional omission of attribution for the comment I quoted in my previous message. It's from your message #65.

    Incidentally, while the reviews of the new TSX make it unappealing, I'll acknowledge that I like the exterior styling. As for the interior, I happen to prefer the woodgrain look to carbon fiber. I know that the carbon fiber look is more contemporary, but I like the warm feeling of wood, even if its really plastic, as long as it's not too fake looking. Maybe they should give buyers a choice. Despite my preference, carbon fiber wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Maybe I'd even grow to like it, but it would be an acquired taste.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Now that I've seen a few more '09 TSX on the road, one thing I will say is that the '09 looks more upscale, albeit less edgy and less tidy and sporty.
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